The Donald Trump thread

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Originally Posted by lardy

The President of the US is saying stuff like this. It's absolutely nuts.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"The baby is born, the mother meets w/the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully. Then the doctor and mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby."<br><br>How is this man's mental state not a National Emergency right now? <a href="https://t.co/uq2yPoxH3o">pic.twitter.com/uq2yPoxH3o</a></p>— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) <a href="https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1122317554582794240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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And the thing is people are dumb enough to believe it. We only have to look at page 135 of this thread to see that.

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A sad but worthwhile thread responding to Trump's reprehensible strategy of lying about babies being killed by mothers and doctors just to stir up his base.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thread: As a NICU nurse, I served on the “Bereavement Team.” We were a special team of Nurses tough enough to help new parents go through the worst day of their lives. Parents of babies who had fought so hard for their tiny little lives and weren’t going to make it... 1/ <a href="https://t.co/2ZzDAEziyi">https://t.co/2ZzDAEziyi</a></p>&mdash; Julia Pulver, RN (@VotePulver) <a href="https://twitter.com/VotePulver/status/1122324913690484737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by lardy

A sad but worthwhile thread responding to Trump's reprehensible strategy of lying about babies being killed by mothers and doctors just to stir up his base.

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Is promoting Planned Parenthood going to be your new cause? If so, I think it deserves its own thread.

The picture is now becoming more clear, lardy is finally silent about Trump Russia Collusion, and Cyril ran away. Make of it what you will, but there can now be no doubt about what went on prior to the US election, and after it. The scale of it is unprecidented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WwO-5sqO5o

The picture has always been clear in your head because you have only ever seen things from one, biased, perspective. Even if what Fox and the Republicans claim is true and we accept there was no collision with Trump, what happened was that Clinton had the wheels of one Government working for her victory while Trump had the same help from a powerful foreign power.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The picture has always been clear in your head because you have only ever seen things from one, biased, perspective. Even if what Fox and the Republicans claim is true and we accept there was no collision with Trump, what happened was that Clinton had the wheels of one Government working for her victory while Trump had the same help from a powerful foreign power.

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And which foreign power was that?

Can you define the wheels of government? Does that include using the intelligence agencies to start a CI investigation with a false predicate, i.e. a setup?

The truth is not biased. The people who were spreading the propaganda were biased! I looked at both sides of the case, and I applied my own reasoning and logic. It appears that you are still believing the fake version of events, even after 3 years of lies and misdirection.

For the record I supported Miliband and Corbyn during the two previous elections, so I am hardly a conservative! :biggrin:

P.S. the clear picture in my head about Russian collusion used to be a conspiracy theory according to you lot. What changed? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

And which foreign power was that?

Can you define the wheels of government? Does that include using the intelligence agencies to start a CI investigation with a false predicate, i.e. a setup?

The truth is not biased. The people who were spreading the propaganda were biased! I looked at both sides of the case, and I applied my own reasoning and logic. It appears that you are still believing the fake version of events, even after 3 years of lies and misdirection.

For the record I supported Miliband and Corbyn during the two previous elections, so I am hardly a conservative! :biggrin:

P.S. the clear picture in my head about Russian collusion used to be a conspiracy theory according to you lot. What changed? :hehe:

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Your version of the truth is biased - you may have looked at both sides, but there is nothing on here over a period of years from you to indicate that you have ever applied equal standards to that looking! As for myself, I have never claimed to be unbiased - I detest Trump, have done ever since I was aware of his existence and will do until the day I die.

When it comes to collusion accusations, I thought there was a probability that there was collusion based on what I knew of Trump's character and I still think that the way the word "collusion" was seized upon by his supporters as a kind of be all and end all as far as the Mueller report goes was very telling - all that has changed as far as I'm concerned is that one man decided that there were not sufficient grounds to proceed with collusion charges, not quite the same thing as a flat out denial that there was any.

The foreign power I refer to is Russia because I believe it was the will of their Government, in particular the person at the head of it, that there be a particular outcome in the 2016 American election. I also believe it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the allegations that the "wheels of Government" in the USA worked to try and ensure an outcome different to the one Russia wanted have some truth to them - if there was such a plan I could never support it, but, given the man they were trying to stop, I could, to a small degree, understand it.

You often say it is no longer about left or right in politics, yet seem keen to prove your left wing credentials. For myself, I'll stay on the left because in this era of globalists versus non globalists as you define it, what I see with the latter is a series of dangerous looking and arrogant populists who embody many of the worst aspects of the political right.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Your version of the truth is biased - you may have looked at both sides, but there is nothing on here over a period of years from you to indicate that you have ever applied equal standards to that looking! As for myself, I have never claimed to be unbiased - I detest Trump, have done ever since I was aware of his existence and will do until the day I die.

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It's was so bad I couldn't even make any kind of positive case for the other side, so should I lie just to make myself appear less biased in your eyes?

Is Papadopoulos an innocent man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYVwq9teTS4

So we're at the point where the president of the US is sharing doctored videos of his political opponents.


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Quite good to read through the replies though, and see all the videos of Trump himself slurring.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So we're at the point where the president of the US is sharing doctored videos of his political opponents.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“PELOSI STAMMERS THROUGH NEWS CONFERENCE” <a href="https://t.co/1OyCyqRTuk">pic.twitter.com/1OyCyqRTuk</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1131728912835383300?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Quite good to read through the replies though, and see all the videos of Trump himself slurring.

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Yeah, but there was no collusion.

Enjoy the Punch & Judy fun while you can, things are about to get very real.

Nice Job

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Originally Posted by lardy

Rumours are that it wasn't his hair that made him stay indoors when every other leader was out in the rain paying respects, it was concern about his spray tan running.

He has his priorities but do remember he is strong on the military, according to himself.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW via my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FOIA?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FOIA</a> from Dept of the Navy. <br><br>Remember last November when WH said Trump could not attend WW1 memorial at US cemetery in France due to rain? <br><br>Well, his transport really was canceled by the Navy due to rain.<br><br>Emails <a href="https://t.co/pkkKwsX2Bs">pic.twitter.com/pkkKwsX2Bs</a></p>&mdash; Jason Leopold (@JasonLeopold) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1133391265222025218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

1,375 Well Sourced Examples Of Barack Obama’s Lies, Lawbreaking, Corruption, Cronyism, Hypocrisy, Waste, Etc.

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https://freedomoutpost.com/the-list-...isy-waste-etc/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7e1Kf1Wbkg

No checking for falsehoods, W-B?

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

No checking for falsehoods, W-B?

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It's a primary source that speaks for itself. Make of it what will :biggrin:

He was right about the no collusion over two years ago, so you have to give him some credit, while the corporate media got it totally wrong.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It's a primary source that speaks for itself. He was right about the no collusion over two years ago. Make of it what will :biggrin:

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In another thread you said all politicians lie; I assume this means Trump as well?

And it's not a primary source either - that would be Mueller's report.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

In another thread you said all politicians lie; I assume this means Trump as well?

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Is he a politician? He doesn't act like one. I'd say more of a chief executive who is doing great things with the economy.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

And it's not a primary source either - that would be Mueller's report.

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Him defending himself would most certainly be a primary source. How could it not be??? Who is reporting what he is saying???

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Him defending himself would most certainly be a primary source. How could it not be??? Who is reporting what he is saying???

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He's giving his own (biased) appraisal of the report.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Is he a politician? He doesn't act like one. I'd say more of a chief executive who is doing great things with the economy.

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Politician
noun
a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of an elected office.

So yeah, he's a politician. You're just avoiding the question though.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

He's giving his own (biased) appraisal of the report.

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He'd be very foolish to lie on the public record. Very foolish indeed, and I think he knows that.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

Politician
noun
a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of an elected office.

So yeah, he's a politician. You're just avoiding the question though.

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Opinion
noun
A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

It's about time you had some of your own, as you are coming across as being a clone of Cyril & Heisenberg. You continually try to trip people up without saying anything original yourself. Basically you are just appeasing the people who are on the wrong side of history, and it's not going to be a very good look when everything is exposed. You are just going to look like another clueless idiot, which seems to be a common theme throughout this thread. Your level of debating skill is abysmal.

surprised to see the meating

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Opinion
noun
A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

It's about time you had some of your own, as you are coming across as being a clone of Cyril & Heisenberg. You continually try to trip people up without saying anything original yourself. Basically you are just appeasing the people who are on the wrong side of history, and it's not going to be a very good look when everything is exposed. You are just going to look like another clueless idiot, which seems to be a common theme throughout this thread. Your level of debating skill is abysmal.

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You're still avoiding the question. I was interested in the way you thought about things since you come across as pompous, superior and something of a zealot. I've pointed out a discrepancy in your argument and you've gone off on one, aggrieved to have been 'tripped up'. I suppose I'm meant to come up with an opinion or something original so you can swat it down, laugh, and state you're on another level to the rest of us.

This could be a good forum and I'm all for debate and a dialectical approach but you seem to treat this place as a way to boost and appease your ego. When that happens the 'debate' quickly becomes a flailing mess.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

You're still avoiding the question. I was interested in the way you thought about things since you come across as pompous, superior and something of a zealot. I've pointed out a discrepancy in your argument and you've gone off on one, aggrieved to have been 'tripped up'. I suppose I'm meant to come up with an opinion or something original so you can swat it down, laugh, and state you're on another level to the rest of us.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

This could be a good forum and I'm all for debate and a dialectical approach but you seem to treat this place as a way to boost and appease your ego. When that happens the 'debate' quickly becomes a flailing mess.

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Ok, so let's hear about something you find interesting, instead of going all Cyril on me :biggrin:

I don't mind discussing things, but I'm not really a fan of the sniping approach. And sniping with nothing to say is a big no-no in my book, and that's when fire meets fire.

No doubt more thoughts and prayers will be coming today as 13 more people shot in the land of the free.

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

No doubt more thoughts and prayers will be coming today as 13 more people shot in the land of the free.

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Representatives and beneficiaries of the NRA send their deepest sympathies.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Ok, so let's hear about something you find interesting, instead of going all Cyril on me :biggrin:

I don't mind discussing things, but I'm not really a fan of the sniping approach. And sniping with nothing to say is a big no-no in my book, and that's when fire meets fire.

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Well, I wasn't sniping, just pointing out a discrepancy in your argument. Then you got pissy and read it as snipe to cover yourself, while criticising me for not having something to say. Sounds like you created the fire yourself.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

Well, I wasn't sniping, just pointing out a discrepancy in your argument. Then you got pissy and read it as snipe to cover yourself, while criticising me for not having something to say. Sounds like you created the fire yourself.

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There are no discrepancies in my argument, it has been consistent for over 2 years. I was one of the very few people on here who got it right, which is quite remarkable considering the total media onslaught.

So what's your argument, and when did you formulate it?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

There are no discrepancies in my argument, it has been consistent for over 2 years. I was one of the very few people on here who got it right, which is quite remarkable considering the total media onslaught.

So what's your argument, and when did you formulate it?

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It was a question about something you said. It seems that because you were unable to answer it properly, you got annoyed and now you want me to come up with an argument just to appease your need to change tack.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

It was a question about something you said. It seems that because you were unable to answer it properly, you got annoyed and now you want me to come up with an argument just to appease your need to change tack.

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I answered it. Trump is not a typical politician. He accepted the challenge to clean up the corrupt Washington political system .. that place where you don't think any problems exist.

He's way beyond parody now

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1012731

Navy acknowledges request was made to hide USS John S. McCain during Trump visit

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I answered it. Trump is not a typical politician. He accepted the challenge to clean up the corrupt Washington political system .. that place where you don't think any problems exist.

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That wasn't what you said. And I've never said there are no problems in Washington. So, two lies in one short post. If you're making up stuff about what I have or haven't said, then I think it's time to draw a line under this.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

That wasn't what you said. And I've never said there are no problems in Washington. So, two lies in one short post. If you're making up stuff about what I have or haven't said, then I think it's time to draw a line under this.

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I've got a funny feeling that you may have opposing views to me, and you are a closet supporter of political corruption and democratic disorder. You still haven't expressed a single original thought on here, so I think it's time for us to call it a day :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I answered it. Trump is not a typical politician. He accepted the challenge to clean up the corrupt Washington political system .. that place where you don't think any problems exist.

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The irony about folk and American politics before Trump, there was always a view that American politics was very corrupt and just fed the corporate greed and East Coast billionaires ,along came Trump and the hatred was targeted towards an individual rather than the establishment that is and always exists in America.

Just because it's a Democratic it doesn't mean they exists in some caring world .

Trump is driving a tank through the political swamp , and the establishment is desperately out to get him .

There are comparison here with JC.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

The irony about folk and American politics before Trump, there was always a view that American politics was very corrupt and just fed the corporate greed and East Coast billionaires ,along came Trump and the hatred was targeted towards an individual rather than the establishment that is and always exists in America.

Just because it's a Democratic it doesn't mean they exists in some caring world .

Trump is driving a tank through the political swamp , and the establishment is desperately out to get him .

There are comparison here with JC.

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The media are tell them what to do and they are obedient servants.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

The irony about folk and American politics before Trump, there was always a view that American politics was very corrupt and just fed the corporate greed and East Coast billionaires ,along came Trump and the hatred was targeted towards an individual rather than the establishment that is and always exists in America.

Just because it's a Democratic it doesn't mean they exists in some caring world .

Trump is driving a tank through the political swamp , and the establishment is desperately out to get him .

There are comparison here with JC.

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Donald Trump was an “East Coast billionaire” last time I looked (he never stops telling us he is at least) and I’m afraid it didn’t take long at all for the tank you say he is driving through the swamp to become bogged down in it with the rest of them – sorry, but I fail to see a difference between him and the bogeymen and women of the “establishment”.

Having taken a deliberate break from this board of about a week, I returned this morning to read an exchange between gluey and B of A that had taken place in the last few days in this thread. It was fascinating stuff with gluey opting to play the man, not the ball as he claimed victory in the increasing smug tone he has adopted in recent weeks despite it appearing to me that he had been beaten hands down.

Apparently, gluey had claimed that all politicians are liars in the past and he was asked, reasonably enough, whether this included Donald Trump. This brought about an "ah, but is he really a politician response?" which I presume gluey thought made him look cool and enigmatic – seemingly, Trump is not a politician, more a Chief Executive.

The conversation between gluey and B of A had started when the former posted a link to an Alt right site which claimed they had “1,375 Well Sourced Examples Of Barack Obama’s Lies, Lawbreaking, Corruption, Cronyism, Hypocrisy, Waste, Etc.” – gluey was so keen to make his point that he enlarged these words and also highlighted them in red.

All very shocking stuff if true and compelling evidence of the existence of Mr Trump’s swamp it would appear. However, without wishing to minimise Mr Obama’s untruths at all, it does all tend to pale somewhat when compared to his successor – there are political liars and then, on a completely different plane, there is Donald Trump!

The Washington Post is claiming that Trump has told 10,000 plus lies in the two and a half years or so since he was sworn in as President and say that all of them have been fact checked.

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...n-three-years/

Of course, this comes from a publication much derided by gluey and his alt right friends as being the epitome of the despised mainstream media, so let’s instead see what a respected fact checking site, which is generally accepted as being politically neutral has to say about President Trump and his somewhat erratic relationship with the truth.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

So, 70 per cent of the claims made by Trump that Politifact checked were deemed to fall into the “mostly false”, “false” and liar, liar “pants on fire” categories! How does this compare with Barack Obama?

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama

It seems that 73 per cent of the former President’s investigated claims are rated as “true”, “mostly true” or “half true”.

Interestingly, Politifact addressed the question of Trump’s lying at the mid point term of his Presidency

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ked-president/

I see gluey has claimed that Trump critics (no doubt including myself) are “on the wrong side of history”, but, whether that is true or not, I feel confident that history will judge Donald Trump as an inveterate liar – you’ve taken a hell of a beating on that score at least gluey!