Quite right. Well done Drakeford.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Quite right. Well done Drakeford.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
By Friday apparently. Seems a very sensible move especially when you see those idiots in Liverpool dancing in the streets who are more than likely going to affect others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Still not telling oldies to shield yet either, but talking of circuit breakers.....the clarity is just amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monster munch
I agree, seems madness to let them travel out of their county, we can’t even leave cardiff and it’s low compared to Liverpool etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
How did they get it, your older boy mates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
As far as I know they were all using the same pub in the village.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
19,700 new cases today and 137 more deaths, what the figures don't make clear is if it is the areas already suffering most that are being hardest hit.
That'll take some enforcing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
In one area they were restricted because of a spike and excess deaths but the mojority were in 1 or 2 hospitals as I understand. If you take out the nbumbers you know are froma specific cause, like the university students, how do we know what the fiugres look like thenQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I was interested to see before the weekend that Mark Drakeford said that all their evidence told them that the increase was in the community and among extended families, and that there is no evidence to support the clamour that it is caused by pubs and restaurants. Not often I applaud him but I admire his honesty on the point.
Sadly 2 days later Gethin said he might close the pubs to stop the spread. It really is a knee jerk reaction. The easiest target and one that everyone notices, but the affect is dubious. To spread it in a pub someone must have contracted it at home or at work or where ever.
Why.? They might have caught it in one pub then passed it on in another pub.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Then gone and spread it at work or wherever.
Wouldn't take long to identify a car load of scousers down in the rural west!Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Figures up 40% in a week. Some more radical action is needed if this virus is to be contained.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Surely though if you catch it at home and stay at home you won't spread it but if you catch it at home then go to the pub you will, so therefore there's a logic to closing the pubs?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Speeding: ?::getscoat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
People going to local pubs and back to someone’s house post pub is the main issue I hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I'm not sure that you would be able to find an expert who says circuit breaker lockdowns are "guaranteed to succeed" and would bring "benefit without cost"!Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Does this mean that we can't sign Harry Wilson?!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Well no but I'm sure there are experts who say that the only way to stem the spread is through a circuit breakerQuote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
https://www.newstatesman.com/science...-wave-covid-19
The hospitality industry has been singled out by Chris Whitty for spreading the virus, but the evidence is anything but clear-cut.
They have been doing it to a degree by stealth for a couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
The test centres used to have people from all over the country coming to them but for the last 2 weeks no one from outside the test centre local area has been able to book at test.
How can it be that you can enter a restricted area to go to work or to school but you cannot enter it to find out if you have a potentially fatal illness?
there are experts that say we would save 7000 lives by implementing a circuit breaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I think it would be 8000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Should be easy to police - anyone spotted in South Wales wearing a Man Utd or Liverpool shirt should be instantly sent back north and placed into quarantine for two weeks with no access to Sky Sports.
It's a political move and little to do with protecting us. I had a look at the paper which Prof Drakeford quotes as the evidence and the conclusion is.... the easing of the lockdown rules in July/ August has corresponded with an increase in cases with data suggesting that increases in Wales may be driven by imports from other parts of the UK and wider worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
And how do you police this? The Severn Bridge has 30,000 vehicles cross into Wales each day. That will continue.
In North Wales 36,000 workers move out of their areas to work each day, and 23,000 come in to these areas...
In South East Wales the figures are 57,000 out, 32,000 in
This is not to say they they commute to England but they move in and out of their localities and there must be some traffic to England
Trying to stop tourists from high risk areas is not viable when there is such a large amount of daily traffic anyhow, and probably not worth the immense effort required to police it properly.
AS I said earlier our FM seemingly can't help trying to score points
He knows I'm being sarcastic, it's my general demeanour.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
He's supporting you because he's realised that sometimes you come across as dull as an empty packet of Wotsits.
Be grateful someone cares.
Hugs, kisses, catches and love.
https://www.polfed.org/news-media/la...n-regulations/Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
The head of the Police Federation in Wales has already said that the rules are unenforceable.
Are you sure this is true. Exactly 2 weeks ago my wife had a test outside our lockdown area and was told that this is allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Dull? lmao but not blinkered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Utter rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I cant travel 7 miles to do some shopping because of a lockdown.
Drakeford is doing the right thing to stop people from an area like Liverpool with a high infection rate travelling into Wales.
Its not political its the right thing to do.
I know the number of tests being carried out has dropped dramatically, and that was ordered by the government 2 weeks ago. As an example Abercynon in that period hasn't seen 1 person from outside Wales or indeed from outside RCT. Which makes me ask 'Why are they not doing the other 600 odd tests a day they could be?'. What I said this is a fact. And who can book where is controlled by the government, not the test centres. There must be a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Abercynon is in my lockdown area. My wife was sent to Merthyr outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The Merthyr one is slightly closer.
Due to the Government website only calculating distances to testing stations as the crow flies, people in North Somerset are offered Cardiff as their nearest Covid-testing station. My friend in WSM went for the 'next nearest' station in Taunton last Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I don't doubt it. The test centre in Merthyr is run from either Abercynon or Ebbw Vale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
On another point, the new laboratory which opened in Newport on Monday is now sending tests to ther places because it cannot cope with the numbers being sent there. As all the tests were being analysed before monday there must be space somewhere. Seems silly to me.
My family have had 2 tests in the last 6 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The response , ease of booking , speed of result ( 1 under 24 hours 1 slightly over) were excellent. Both negative so cant comment on Contact Tracing)
Centres were Cwm and Merthyr.
Yes, what happens is the main centres have mobile units, and when ordered they go out to other places and set up testing stations. The samples go back to the main unit at night to be sent to a lab. It seems to work OK as you discovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Ending Coronavirus wth herd immunity is a "dangerous fallacy" - I've never understood some people's faith in it when we cannot know yet whether you're immune or not.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gerous-fallacy
Herd immunity is a very dangerous concept and any policy to do that would certainly overwhelm the hospitals.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Its not rubbish, this is official data. The movement of people from one are to another is because they travel to and from work, and that's a reasonable excuse apparently!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts