That’s hysterical fair play. And you wonder why there are no funny right wing comedians.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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That’s hysterical fair play. And you wonder why there are no funny right wing comedians.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I can do what the feck I wantQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You came onto the tel aviv thread your usual poncey sanctimonious self harping on about the ban will be overturned ....and rightly so ...you posh get
But now you look as stupid as starmer on the matter
And of course those pointing it out are wrong ...and of course as usual ...you are right
Yeah and it probably will be overturned and it is right that it will be. That's what I wrote. What do you disagree with?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Not my fault you got a boner about the ban and now it may be overturned. Maybe you should stop being so knee jerky and reactionary in the first place?
A lot of one sided posts on that Amsterdam event, people ignoring what they want and amplifying other things. The reality is it was a serious event, there was anti Palestinian behaviour from some Maccabi fans, which was responded to in kind by some wholly disproportionate violence after the game towards them, including a lot of stuff that appears to be antisemitic (references to "Jew hunts" etc), and more vandalism from Maccabi fans and others before order was restored.
It's a two-sides thing. Anyone saying otherwise is lying and there's multiple reports on it all.
All of that is reason to ensure the game is marked as a high profile game needing some serious police planning, but none of it means that all Maccabi fans should be banned or that normal Jewish Israeli fans shouldn't feel safe in Birmingham, which we have been told recently is a safe and welcoming city.
Overturn the ban. Let the fans attend. Plan the event to keep people safe, which we do for dozens of games every weekend, and don't let the racists or bigots win.
Football can bring us together. It should be given a chance to do so.
Not as funny as this was:Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Bookmark this reply. You know she’s done nothing wrong, I know she’s done nothing wrong and the right wing loons know she’s done nothing wrong. They’ve tried dirty tactics against her so many times...
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by Dorcus
Pity that the many does not seem to include the Welsh Labour Government!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
You have talked complete bolocks since last November on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The israeli fans started the trouble as soon as they arrived and got a kicking after the game on Saturday
The video footage which reuters wrongly said was israeli fans being attacked in a jew hunt...more rubbish ....was actually israeli fans kicking the crap out of locals ....on Friday
They were on the end of a hammering for that on Saturday night
The video is available
Do you want to watch it and retract your rubbish ?
There is a thread on this on the main board.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Why not put it in there?
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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
None of your business you daft old sod
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Originally Posted by goats
https://youtu.be/JHZ7N01YxXE?si=UWYevgxY1l2M7C39
This bloke is one of your right wing lot
Have I f##k. You have talked shite on this, blinded by the echo chamber you clearly operate in.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I will gladly admit there was trouble on both sides. You just ignore anything against them, despite multiple arrests. Just like you ignore on the other thread when someone references the "jew hunt" and a poster claims it was "deserved".
You, like others on Twitter all day making fools of themselves sharing photos of Hapoel Tel Aviv fans and claiming it's Maccabi fans. Plainly rubbish, but no doubt something you have lapped up yourself. Most of the stuff you post is built upon misinformation
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b2848483.html
As it goes, it seems they won't accept tickets anyway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c3w98224xx8o
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Originally Posted by JamesWales
For the avoidance of any doubt the Jews hunt nonsense was started by israeli sympathisers and anyone using that on the other thread in an offensive way is the person you need to shake your head at , nothing to do with me , I am unable to post on the main board if I was i would have been all over you like a rash
Since November the truth about Amsterdam has been available
Here it is
Now watch it , accept your are wrong and go to bed
https://youtu.be/DvTyg1kJGzM?si=Gq_n2iKBMt4oLhEU
That's not the truth. That's one side. It forms part of the story from which the truth emergesQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The truth is there was violence on both sides, which is absolutely what I have said from the beginning and what people like you give shit for because you want everything to be black and white. Well, it isn't.
Theres multiple sources for one of the retribution social media chat groups being labelled "jew hunt" that night. And it was referenced on this forum tonight and a poster (Jeepster) said it was deserved. I did call it out.
Get a grip Sludge. You give me shit for saying things are nuanced but that's because they are.
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Trigger , on the other thread says ....as an israeli sympathiser......" strangely no mention of the Jew hunt that took place "
Well the thing is hes completely incorrect that a jew hunt or pogram or crystalnite took place .....tel aviv fans were attacked the night after they attacked innocent locals ...it was a hammering they took for their actions the night before
Was it deserved ? Thats the way it goes sometimes but I dont condone it and zi dont agree with any sort of " jew hunt " .....which didn't happen
Theres a huge Jewish population in Amsterdam......jew hunt suggests what the nazis did on crystallnite .....looting , killing , firebombing .....that would be a jew hunt
Amsterdam police reported isolated disorder but most of it was tel aviv fans getting a kicking in retribution for the night before ..not a full on racist purge of Amsterdams Jewish quarter
Thats your education for the night just so there is no confusion
Education on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Like a tonne of others, you seem to not even know the difference between Hapoel Tel Aviv and Maccabi Tel Aviv! There was trouble on both sides, we know that. It doesn't justify chasing down and attacking random fans.
I have never tried to justify retribution and retaliation .....even though you tried to suggest I did and even thought it was deserved ...naughty boy JWQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
But the whole point here is that a whole drama was developed by false media portrayal of tel aviv fans being assaulted in Amsterdam.....which only happened on tge Saturday after the game ...24 hours after the tel aviv fans arrived in Amsterdam and started assaulting locals .the footage you and the media thought was naughty muslims it wasnt
So suck it up and enjoy the spectacle of starmer, nandy , bedenoch and the rest with egg on their faces
Didnt pay much attention to this when it happened in Amsterdam, are you telling me that Israel now has hoolies? Jeez, I just find that hard to imagine, particularly travelling across Europe to do it? Stone island and bouncing about like twats?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The Jewish population of Amsterdam is 15,000 people. Significant but not huge. Try to stick to factsQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://eurojewcong.org/communities/the-netherlands/
There are around 90,000 muslims in Amsterdam
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Originally Posted by blue sky
More Jews in Amsterdam than in Cardiff , Leeds , Birmingham , Bristol put together
In a city smaller than Manchester and Birmingham thats a huge population
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Originally Posted by goats
Yes macabi tel aviv have had problems for years and have racially abused Arab and black players
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Originally Posted by blue sky
Its actually 20000
9th highest population in Europe and considering Amsterdam is a small city , thats huge
Try to stick to facts
Pretty selective comparisons there. Jews make up 1.7% of Amsterdam’s population. According to the 2021 census Bangladeshis make up 1.8% of Cardiff’s population. Would you describe that figure as huge? If you do, and continue to tie yourself and your logic in knots, then there is a role as Reform’s Vale of Glamorgan comms guy waiting for you. Get yourself down Rhoose.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Edit- my post contained a link to the figure of 15,000. Where is your evidence that it is 20,000?
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https://www.amsterdam.info/jewish/Quote:
Originally Posted by blue sky
There xx
I have been down to protest against the far right at rhoose airport hotel several times
Do you want to join me at the one next month ?
Assuming you will be on the good side
👍
So it comes down to religion does it? Like most sh*t in that area. You’d have to be quite brave and stupid to try that in a cosmopolitan city like Amsterdam. In Birmingham, it would be far worse for them I would imagine, particularly after all the news about it before the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY