Quite right too! Does she think everybody is stupid? She must be the worst PM in living memory. At least Thatcher had some principles, even if they were mostly bad ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Quite right too! Does she think everybody is stupid? She must be the worst PM in living memory. At least Thatcher had some principles, even if they were mostly bad ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I still say Cameron (just) for his utter cowardice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The Leave Means Leave march (which apparently cost people £50 each to sign up to) is looking pretty pathetic. Numbers not even in three figures, Farage has no intention of joining them other than for brief photo ops, barely a person under 50 which doesn't suggest that the people who will live with brexit are that motivated to "save" it. It just looks like a miserable time.
How many turned up to the People's Vote march again? I can't remember. Was it less or more than this?
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Originally Posted by lardy
Short extension to Brexit "possible" if MPs approve UK PM Theresa May's deal next week - EU's Donald Tusk says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47636011
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Dear Donald
The UK Government's policy remains to leave the European Union in an orderly manner on the basis of the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration agreed in November, complemented by the Joint Instrument and supplement to the Political Declaration President Juncker and I agreed on 11 March.
You will be aware that before the House of Commons rejected the deal for a second time on 12 March, I warned in a speech in Grimsby that the consequences of failing to endorse the deal were unpredictable and potentially deeply unpalatable. The House of Commons did not vote in favour of the deal. The following day it voted against leaving the EU without a negotiated deal. The day after that it supported a Government motion that proposed a short extension to the Article 50 period if the House supported a meaningful vote before this week's European Council. The motion also made clear that if this had not happened, a longer extension would oblige the UK to call elections to the European Parliament. I do not believe that it would be in either of our interests for the UK to hold European Parliament elections.
I had intended to bring the vote back to the House of Commons this week. The Speaker of the House of Commons said on Monday that in order for a further meaningful vote to be brought back to the House of Commons, the agreement would have to be "fundamentally different-not different in terms of wording, but different in terms of substance". Some Members of Parliament have interpreted that this means a further change to the deal. This position has made it impossible in practice to call a further vote in advance of the European Council. However, it remains my intention to bring the deal back to the House.
In advance of that vote, I would be grateful if the European Council could therefore approve the supplementary documents that President Juncker and I agreed in Strasbourg, putting the Government in a position to bring these agreements to the House and confirming the changes to the Government's proposition to Parliament. I also intend to bring forward further domestic proposals that confirm my previous commitments to protect our internal market, given the concerns expressed about the backstop. On this basis, and in the light of the outcome of the European Council, I intend to put forward a motion as soon as possible under section 13 of the Withdrawal Act 2018 and make the argument for the orderly withdrawal and strong future partnership the UK economy, its citizens' security and the continent's future, demands.
If the motion is passed, I am confident that Parliament will proceed to ratify the deal constructively. But this will clearly not be completed before 29 March 2019. In our legal system, the Government will need to take a Bill through both Houses of Parliament to enact our commitments under the Withdrawal Agreement into domestic law. While we will consult with the Opposition in the usual way to plan the passage of the Bill as quickly and smoothly as possible, the timetable for this is inevitably uncertain at this stage. I am therefore writing to inform the European Council that the UK is seeking an extension to the Article 50 period under Article 50(3) of the Treaty on European Union, including as applied by Article 106a of the Euratom Treaty, until 30 June 2019.
I would be grateful for the opportunity to set out this position to our colleagues on Thursday.
Yours ever
Theresa May
The break up of the Union is getting very close now.
I've not heard or felt any ground trembling , I hope we do break away and move closer to Cornwall, I'm guessing Scotland will float slowly towards Norway or Iceland , and dear old Ireland heads towards their real home, the East Coast of the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
She the only person I know who is playing chess against 3 sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Can anyone tell if she is winning?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
She can, cos she's got the script :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Have you heard of the term "pyrrhic victory"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
May is offering her deal [which is rubbish - no customs union etc] or no deal, the difference between her deal and no deal is miniscule, time and time again she said no deal is better than a bad deal, strangely enough she no longer says that, lol.
The Celts might be better off with no deal as this might hasten the end of the union and with it perpetual London centric right wing policies as the Conservatives are likely to get in time and again via the weight of numbers of the English vote and Labour will only get in by offering Tory-lite policies.
Are you confident that the prosperity of Wales will improve if the fanciful notion of independence was ever voted for by a majority in Wales? What goods and services would be exported? Is there anything other than patriotic fervour and anti-English sentiment to put some meat on the bone here?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Energy and water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Do you have any access to meaningful data to back up your assertion that an independent Wales would be more (and which includes both the benefits and disbenefits of independence)? I am open to persuasion if that were the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
However, what we have learned during the Brexit farrago most people understand diddly squat about economics but merely reproduce slogans passed down to them.
Happy to be educated by detailed reason and good evidence if you care to indulge me.
It is known that Wales is a net exporter of electricity and water and that England is running out of water [run out in 2044 was a recent story in the press] and also they have to import electricity from time to time from the continent, as regards detailed data just like Brexit there is no individual detailed breakdown of Welsh only figures although its known that Wales is a net beneficiary from the EU there is no detailed Welsh only EU figures.
Wales received more per head than the majority of regions in the UK, Wales should have been an easy remain region, however, the labour government spunked it away on fantasy projects and ignored their base for 30 years, 3 generations of some north of Cardiff have known nothing since the Tories shut the mines and paid for it at the vote at which the local electorate gave Welsh politicians a big fat f*ck you. A new viaduct in aber nowhere means jack sh*t to a working person with no prospects. Under Thatcher this country (UK wide) was not so divided as it is now IMO, the country is just reflective of the shit state of current politics and that's exactly what is wanted by the elites, together people are strong, divided they are weak, I don't think it's by accident we have an extreme right and a loonatic left, we always seem to follow Merica.
Yes, and this is not one of them. She will disappear into the night if she gets away with it, and will be rewarded for her success.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Just anecdotal stuff then regarding a two components of the big picture rather than a comprehensive analysis we would need to make a sound judgement regarding such an important matter which would have incredibly profound ramifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
And we know from Brexit how people make decisions based on sentiment and ignorance and without have the foggiest idea of the possible consequences.
Apologies to those on both sides of the Brexit vote who had sound reasons and a good understanding for the informed choices they made. However, I think that they were very much in the minority and most of us, me included, were less than qualified to cast a vote on the matter.
Your response has been filed in the 'Superficial Fluff' cabinet for now.
Just like your opinions on Brexit then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
1,017,380 signatures and counting now on the Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU petition.
Is there anything worse than witnessing a bunch of sore losers who can't accept an outcome?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Indeed. I clearly stated that I didn't think that I knew enough to vote on changing the status quo.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Did you vote then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Yes I did. Having the referendum thrust upon us I tried to learn about the situation as much as I possibly could - via newspaper and internet articles, quality newspapers, radio and TV debates and watching/listening/reading intelligent debates on both sides and over a long period of time. However, all of that, my experience of living in Europe, some rudimentary academic qualifications in Economics, a long-standing interest in politics etc. hardly qualified me from having an expert opinion regarding such an important subject. I tried to weigh up the current benefits and disbenefits of staying in the EU but I know that I'm really am a rank amateur (as were most people in my opinion).Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
I am very cynical of the EU project in the long-term but I voted to stay in. Other people with less knowledge than me were going to vote in their millions so it would have been silly in the circumstances not to have voted on the limited knowledge I did have - and I wasn't convinced by the utterances of many of the leaders of the Leave camp despite trying to be open-minded.
My point is that the electorate, me included, shouldn't vote on such complex matters.
Just my humble fluff-filled opinion with which you are more than welcome to disagree with.
Blimey you voted for a selection on something you have no idea about :facepalm:, I am definitely filling under 'Superficial Fluff'. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I didn't say 'no idea' but file it under 'Superficial Fluff' by all means :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Indeed we ain't Scotland , who have big exports, we only have government service jobs , Cottage Holidays, A big Stadium , Hill Walking , social revolution stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Have we hit peak scaremongering Brexit bullshit today?
Brexit: Armed forces set up team in nuclear bunker to prepare for no deal outcome
Samuel Osborne @SamuelOsborne93
2 hours ago
Britain’s military has set up a team in a nuclear bunker beneath the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.
Some 3,500 troops were being held “at readiness” to aid in contingency plans if the UK leaves the European Union (EU) without an agreement in place, a spokesperson said.
More: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8834346.html
On a more important note, the pubs will be open, especially the Brexit ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
I know that behind the scenes Civil Servants have been asked to volunteer to leave their current posts for a duration (and I can't remember whar sort of duration) in order to move to certain locations and deal solely with matters arising from Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Some experts now think that no deal is the most likely outcome - and in that scenario then the union will be on its last legs.
Aha! The Welsh independence thing yet again. Wishful thinking on your part perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Oh no, the no deal possibility or probability even has nothing to do with Welsh independence, I just checked out what the FT political editor as well as what the Guardian journalists had to say last night and they agreed with the FT main man, they give the rationale as well, I looks like no deal has come up on the rails and hit the front inside the last furlong, will it stay there ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
If it does then that has big implications for a united Ireland and an independent Scotland not to mention Wales.
Its all in play now.
How will it affect Wales? Surely if Brexit goes ahead it will satisfy the majority vote in Wales. If Brexit doesn't go ahead do you think that Wales will vote for independence in order to leave the EU? I very much doubt it myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Economic depravation in Wales whilst watching Scotland and N.Ireland go and having to put up with perpetual Tory rule from Westminster if hard Brexit happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
On the other hand, Wales may be more deprived if it's economic fate is not tied to England whether we are in the EU or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
That is putting the cart before the horse, you asked ''How will it affect Wales?'', I gave my answer which you haven't disputed but you don't seem to like where the answer leads.