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Originally Posted by Rjk

I think you should go and read a history book

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So he didnt invade and want to control the rest of Europe then, to make them part of his German Empire. Dont need to read a history book but you definitely need a dose of reality. The unelected EU beaurocrats just want to form the state of Europe and line their own (and their cronies) pockets. Their thirst for power is insatiable. How anyone in their right mind can want to be part of their utterley discredited cabal is incomprehensble. It has gone way beyond the common market deal that the UK originally voted for.

Have you ever heard of false equivalency?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

So he didnt invade and want to control the rest of Europe then, to make them part of his German Empire. Dont need to read a history book but you definitely need a dose of reality. The unelected EU beaurocrats just want to form the state of Europe and line their own (and their cronies) pockets. Their thirst for power is insatiable. How anyone in their right mind can want to be part of their utterley discredited cabal is incomprehensble. It has gone way beyond the common market deal that the UK originally voted for.

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I’m sorry but all this is utter bollocks. It’s like a Daily express story created by a bot that’s been reading the express for a year.

The phrases in it are so textbook it’s painful.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

So he didnt invade and want to control the rest of Europe then, to make them part of his German Empire. Dont need to read a history book but you definitely need a dose of reality. The unelected EU beaurocrats just want to form the state of Europe and line their own (and their cronies) pockets. Their thirst for power is insatiable. How anyone in their right mind can want to be part of their utterley discredited cabal is incomprehensble. It has gone way beyond the common market deal that the UK originally voted for.

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Speaking of lining pockets, why do you think Rees-Mogg, Farage and others are so desperate to leave?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Since WWII we have had 44 years of Tory government, compared to 30 of labour (of which almost half was tory-lite new labour).
There is nothing to suggest that the UK would elect a socialist government any time soon, especially if Scotland decides to leave in the event of a no deal.

95% of the times the UK has used it's vetoing powers in Europe has been to oppose the closing of tax loopholes, so we can remain the money laundering venue of choice.

I have even less faith that a UK government of any colour will match the EU infrastructure spending in wales

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Like I said, your fellow citizens haven't got a clue how to organise themselves, and keep on voting like lemmings for Labour or Conservative. And now the solution to this ineptitude is to give away power to Europe?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

So he didnt invade and want to control the rest of Europe then, to make them part of his German Empire. Dont need to read a history book but you definitely need a dose of reality. The unelected EU beaurocrats just want to form the state of Europe and line their own (and their cronies) pockets. Their thirst for power is insatiable. How anyone in their right mind can want to be part of their utterley discredited cabal is incomprehensble. It has gone way beyond the common market deal that the UK originally voted for.

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He wanted to unite the German speaking nations and then expand eastwards for additional room for the "superior" Germanic people. Any non German people living there (Russians, poles, Slavs, Jews, etc) would have been deported or murdered.
How is that in any way like the EU?

It’s weird to me that the word beaurocracy has become such a dirty word. When the media moan about that they’re normally talking about thing a like food standards, health and safety, human rights etc which have all for the most part been great for the citizens of the U.K.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

It’s weird to me that the word beaurocracy has become such a dirty word. When the media moan about that they’re normally talking about thing a like food standards, health and safety, human rights etc which have all for the most part been great for the citizens of the U.K.

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What human rights? They beat people up in France and Spain who dare to protest!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

What human rights? They beat people up in France and Spain who dare to protest!

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Having lived in France they’d have to have 60 million police on the streets every day of the year if they weren’t respecting people’s rights to protest.

If you trust a Tory government with your human rights more even after what they’ve done to legal aid more fool you.

Again for the slow, no one is saying the EU is perfect or infaliable.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

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Of course, brexit won't affect everyone.

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Genuinely interested in what leavers think about this

For the people complaining that the U.K. can’t make its own laws the porn ban that’s coming in next month is entirely dreamt up and implemented by the U.K.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Having lived in France they’d have to have 60 million police on the streets every day of the year if they weren’t respecting people’s rights to protest.

If you trust a Tory government with your human rights more even after what they’ve done to legal aid more fool you.

Again for the slow, no one is saying the EU is perfect or infaliable.

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You won't have to trust Labour or Conservative if you don't vote for them! It's just bizarre that people need Europe to solve a problem, when a simpler solution exists right in front of your nose.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

So he didnt invade and want to control the rest of Europe then, to make them part of his German Empire. Dont need to read a history book but you definitely need a dose of reality. The unelected EU beaurocrats just want to form the state of Europe and line their own (and their cronies) pockets. Their thirst for power is insatiable. How anyone in their right mind can want to be part of their utterley discredited cabal is incomprehensble. It has gone way beyond the common market deal that the UK originally voted for.

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I take an great interest in German culture and history, have lived in Germany, visit frequently visited over the last 40 years and occasionally watch/listen/read German media. They have been one of the major driving forces of the EU predominantly because they want to avoid their own sins of the past as well as other conflicts that have scarred Europe over the last few centuries.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I take an great interest in German culture and history, have lived in Germany, visit frequently visited over the last 40 years and occasionally watch/listen/read German media. They have been one of the major driving forces of the EU predominantly because they want to avoid their own sins of the past as well as other conflicts that have scarred Europe over the last few centuries.

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Somebody is pulling Merkel's strings, cos it wasn't her idea to open up Europe's borders.

Labour and Conservative have been in power since before universal suffrage, but don't worry because Gluey has the answer. All we need is for everyone to stop voting for them.

Simple as that. We're lucky to have a genius on this board.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Somebody is pulling Merkel's strings, cos it wasn't her idea to open up Europe's borders.

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Who is pulling the strings then brain genius?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You won't have to trust Labour or Conservative if you don't vote for them! It's just bizarre that people need Europe to solve a problem, when a simpler solution exists right in front of your nose.

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It doesn’t matter if I don’t vote for them everyone else is and it will never change.

I already think the pm has too much power, giving them even more seems nuts.

This board is so left wing.
This thread should have been moved to the Politics board days ago.
Come on Mike man up from The Slovenian countryside.

I would be happy for another referendum personally. I would still vote leave tomorrow and I think honestly so did all those that voted leave first time round.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Labour and Conservative have been in power since before universal suffrage, but don't worry because Gluey has the answer. All we need is for everyone to stop voting for them.

Simple as that. We're lucky to have a genius on this board.

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Obviously a sheep like you wouldn't have any idea about the concept self-determination :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Who is pulling the strings then brain genius?

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A little birdie told me the OSF were handing out information booklets to all those crossing the border.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

A little birdie told me the OSF were handing out booklets to all those crossing the border.

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So you think that George Soros is secretly in control of the EU and can tell Angela Merkel what to do?

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Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2

This board is so left wing.
This thread should have been moved to the Politics board days ago.
Come on Mike man up from The Slovenian countryside.

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1. What’s wrong with being left wing?
2. How can you say this board is left wing?!
3. Why does this have to be moved, no one is forcing you to click on it

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

A little birdie told me the OSF were handing out information booklets to all those crossing the border.

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On ignore

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Originally Posted by Rjk

So you think that George Soros is secretly in control of the EU and can tell Angela Merkel what to do?

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I'm sure some American politicians would have been in the loop, it's not like anybody works alone at this level.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

On ignore

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Cheers mate :wave:

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds...rants-10346437

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I'm sure some American politicians would have been in the loop, it's not like anybody works alone at this level.

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Also because it seems less anti-Semitic somehow if you add a sprinkling of non specific American politicians to your conspiracy theory right?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Also because it seems less anti-Semitic somehow if you add a sprinkling of non specific American politicians to your conspiracy theory right?

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You are the only person who is talking about religion, I don't believe anybody else has mentioned it. The OFS is a large organisation made up of many nationalities, and they also have ties to the Democratic Party.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

For the people complaining that the U.K. can’t make its own laws the porn ban that’s coming in next month is entirely dreamt up and implemented by the U.K.

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Its a good idea. lets be honest both of us has seen enough porn to last us a life time and if you disagree you are more than likely lying.
Lets get back to the days of titilation and not dp dap tap etc etc

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

Its a good idea. lets be honest both of us has seen enough porn to last us a life time and if you disagree you are more than likely lying.
Lets get back to the days of titilation and not dp dap tap etc etc

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I’m not saying it’s a good or bad idea I’m saying those saying the U.K. can’t make its own laws are wrong.

[QUOTE=AlwaysAway2;4962125]This board is so left wing

One of the main reasons I use this board, the right wing disgust me👍

And I thought this was going to be just another brexshit thread :hehe: Wales Bales needs sectioning pronto :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jamieccfc

And I thought this was going to be just another brexshit thread :hehe: Wales Bales needs sectioning pronto :hehe:

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As my old grandad used to say, never be affraid of the truth :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2

This board is so left wing.
This thread should have been moved to the Politics board days ago.
Come on Mike man up from The Slovenian countryside.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

As my old grandad used to say, never be affraid of the truth :thumbup:

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Or sccared 😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Or sccared ������

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I predicted 3 years ago that the will of the people would not be recognised, so I am not in the least bit surprised by the current state of affairs, it's simply a case of very well organised chaos that you are witnessing. You say the remainers are in the majority, yet you can't even organise yourselves to vote into power a government who are accountable. And now you are all begging the EU to save you, but you don't realise that you are being herded in like sheep :biggrin: Be careful what you wish for, before you know it they will even be banning you from altering the time! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2

This board is so left wing.
This thread should have been moved to the Politics board days ago.
Come on Mike man up from The Slovenian countryside.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I predicted 3 years ago that the will of the people would not be recognised, so I am not in the least bit surprised by the current state of affairs, it's simply a case of very well organised chaos that you are witnessing. You say the remainers are in the majority, yet you can't even organise yourselves to vote into power a government who are accountable. And now you are all begging the EU to save you, but you don't realise that you are being herded in like sheep :biggrin: Be careful what you wish for, before you know it they will even be banning you from altering the time! :hehe:

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I’d rather be a European sheep🇪🇺🐑

I think it's more realistic than calling for a people's vote for the following reasons:

- I don't see how there can be strong evidence of criminal activity within the first EU referendum and strong suggestion of external interference and then a second referendum be the best outcome with no changes to our laws to protect the political process
- It gives the UK greater time to consider what it actually wants and implement the systems required to process a Brexit or otherwise allows the UK time to try and reform the EU more effectively
- In 5 years time the chance to leave the EU may be the best choice and rather than feckin' it up with characters like Boris, Mogg and Farage who don't really believe in it you could end up with politicians who believe it's best way to support all people of the UK.

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Originally Posted by surge

I think it's more realistic than calling for a people's vote for the following reasons:

- I don't see how there can be strong evidence of criminal activity within the first EU referendum and strong suggestion of external interference and then a second referendum be the best outcome with no changes to our laws to protect the political process
- It gives the UK greater time to consider what it actually wants and implement the systems required to process a Brexit or otherwise allows the UK time to try and reform the EU more effectively
- In 5 years time the chance to leave the EU may be the best choice and rather than feckin' it up with characters like Boris, Mogg and Farage who don't really believe in it you could end up with politicians who believe it's best way to support all people of the UK.

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I think that’s the thing, whilst I think remaining is better for the country leaving under a well thought out deal could have worked. Unfortunately we’ve got the most incompetent and narcissistic idiots ever in power.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’d rather be a European sheep������

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I don't mind either way. My kids have got 2nd passports outside of the EU if it all goes pear-shaped, which it will do at some point as that is how all socialist experiments eventually end up.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think that’s the thing, whilst I think remaining is better for the country leaving under a well thought out deal could have worked. Unfortunately we’ve got the most incompetent and narcissistic idiots ever in power.

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They are not incompetent, they are following a plan and doing what they are supposed to doing. You are the incompetent one if you can't see that.