Aeroplane Over The Etihad

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Straight out of the conservative party manifesto that one

What do marches about child poverty , poor wages and racism achieve ?

Well actually quite a lot

Direct action is often the last recourse

Emily pankhurst got votes for women after throwing herself under a horse , that was a worthy protest I think

And of course when the racist far right english defence league came to cardiff loads of people marched against them and they havnt been seen since

As for government spending taxation is going to have to rise now more than ever before or we will have riots far bigger than those associated with political protests

If the tories dont do it then more fool them

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Emily Pankhurst never threw herself under anything.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

You just pick the lowest common denominator and castigate swathes of Middle America in one swoop.

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I am not talking about middle america

I am talking about the bible belt Republican goons

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

So nothing to do with Antifa?

I’ve been invited to join marches by local organizers and I would go...it’s just not safe though.

In the last week joined the call to boycott a prominent local business because of the owners blatant racism and I have signed a position to remove the long time treasure of the county I live in for tasteless remarks about Aunt Jemima.

Not much I know compared to many.
When it’s safe to do so, I will certainly be marching and protesting for Black Lives regardless of whatever vehicle is driving it.

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No nothing to do with anti fascist action

TUC were prominent as were a lot of community groups

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Emily Pankhurst never threw herself under anything.

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Nor did Emmeline Davison.

But Sludge is referring to Emily Davison - and although her death wasn't the main event behind women getting the vote (although the film Suffragette implied it) it was a significant milestone. Direct action is often what provokes change when the talking is going nowhere!

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Originally Posted by Vindec

No doubt you will join the rioters/marchers when tax rises. I must admit that you were not nearly so vociferous during the anti semite accusations against the Labour Party as you are supporting the BLM movement. As an aside I see Rebecca Long Bailey has been sacked this afternoon for an implied anti semite tweet and there have been objections to the sackings by some Labour MPs and supporters. I note you didn't reply to my question asking which government can afford to pay for the Utopian Society you believe is possible. You can march as much of you like but at some point a sense of realism has to exist.

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No I wont be marching against tax rises as we will need them . That's the point . The people who will be pissed off with the tax rises will be the rich .

I think the labour party has many people who are anti Zionist and I agree with much of what they say but this the labour party is anti semite is a load of old cobblers .

A government that raises taxes and distributes wealth is one I want , which is what I told you

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Originally Posted by stan butler

What was racist about the banner display? white lives matter , black lives matter is exactly the same..

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Fecking hell another one lines up


Its like trying to educate a lump of cheese

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The police said they have 'looked into' the incident and can see no reason for any criminal action.

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You can be a complete and utter racist **** without getting lifted by the police

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well you say that but you regularly post political points and most of them ever firmly towards the right

Your suggestion it's all about getting on with life and family is what thatcher said .....there is no such thing as society

I most certainly give a **** about who is running the country , we have an inept country in charge of running the country at the moment who said black people have watermelon smiles , a deeply offensive racist term used in the deep south

You dont care who is running the country as long as you are doing ok

I understand

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That's funny, you've completely mis-interpreted what I said. Put it this way, I don't look to government/politics to determine every living breathing moment of my life. I also don't see them as the scapegoats for all that goes wrong in life.

Sludge.

Give up its not worth it.

The Burnley captain summed that banner up brilliantly.

Its not worth your time and energy.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Nor did Emmeline Davison.

But Sludge is referring to Emily Davison - and although her death wasn't the main event behind women getting the vote (although the film Suffragette implied it) it was a significant milestone. Direct action is often what provokes change when the talking is going nowhere!

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I was actually referring to Emily pankhurst lol , who I thought threw herself under a horse but you are right , direct action is what I was implying

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

That's funny, you've completely mis-interpreted what I said. Put it this way, I don't look to government/politics to determine every living breathing moment of my life. I also don't see them as the scapegoats for all that goes wrong in life.

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You are a self made man , well done

But some people face prejudice and discrimination trying to get where you are and need to rely on government to help them out

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

No I wont be marching against tax rises as we will need them . That's the point . The people who will be pissed off with the tax rises will be the rich .

I think the labour party has many people who are anti Zionist and I agree with much of what they say but this the labour party is anti semite is a load of old cobblers .

A government that raises taxes and distributes wealth is one I want , which is what I told you

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Phews.

Cancel the EHRC investigation, Sludge the perv has solved the case!

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Sludge.

Give up its not worth it.

The Burnley captain summed that banner up brilliantly.

Its not worth your time and energy.

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Indeed the burnley captain was appalled at how his club was being dragged through the mud by right wing lump heads yet we have white cardiff city fans saying there was nothing wrong with the banner

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I was actually referring to Emily pankhurst lol , who I thought threw herself under a horse but you are right , direct action is what I was implying

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Agree with your general line on racism, but you're on thinner ice re the Suffragettes. Had you and the internet been around at that time you'd have been telling us if Emily was 'a sort' or not.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Agree with your general line on racism, but you're on thinner ice re the Suffragettes. Had you and the internet been around at that time you'd have been telling us if Emily was 'a sort' or not.

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You can fancy women yet still want them to have equal pay .....which women still dont have .....equal rights , top jobs in society , business etc , the right to abortion

Women fancy blokes too you know and talk about sexy blokes on social media sites

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are a self made man , well done

But some people face prejudice and discrimination trying to get where you are and need to rely on government to help them out

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Nothing wrong with helping those who need it - children who look after their disabled parents for example. There was a programme on Radio 4 about 5yrs ago - these kids were having their ONE day to their own at a woodland retreat in Wales. You should have heard them. They were absolutely thrilled to bits. I'd help people like that every day of the week..

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

No I wont be marching against tax rises as we will need them . That's the point . The people who will be pissed off with the tax rises will be the rich .

I think the labour party has many people who are anti Zionist and I agree with much of what they say but this the labour party is anti semite is a load of old cobblers .

A government that raises taxes and distributes wealth is one I want , which is what I told you

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Yes you have told me that but fail to answer my response which asked which government of any persuasion anywhere has afforded to pay for the Utopian Society you believe is possible. At least we agree on the fact taxes will have to rise to pay for the COVID-19 episode but sadly that will not provide for the distribution of wealth you require. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

Of course tax's will rise, then it will be " the Tories, always putting up taxes to punish the poor "

yet the same tories have handed out that money ( that they will need to claw back ) to help us all

the tory money tree isnt as good at labours

damned if they do damned if they don't

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Nothing wrong with helping those who need it - children who look after their disabled parents for example. There was a programme on Radio 4 about 5yrs ago - these kids were having their ONE day to their own at a woodland retreat in Wales. You should have heard them. They were absolutely thrilled to bits. I'd help people like that every day of the week..

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What about people who face racial discrimination to get into management positions in the workplace

I mean we so often hear people say we want the best person for the job but that is clearly often not true

I have worked in welfare and housing in inner city oxford , bradford and cardiff. Most of the people coming in for advice and support were from the ethnic minorities.

Very few of the staff were from the ethnic minorities and I cant remember one senior member of staff or management of colour in all the years I worked

Some people , those carers you talked of , disabled people and others need a helping hand

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Of course tax's will rise, then it will be " the Tories, always putting up taxes to punish the poor "

yet the same tories have handed out that money ( that they will need to claw back ) to help us all

the tory money tree isnt as good at labours

damned if they do damned if they don't

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Well it's their watch now

Silly feckers voted them in , now they have to live with it

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Yes you have told me that but fail to answer my response which asked which government of any persuasion anywhere has afforded to pay for the Utopian Society you believe is possible. At least we agree on the fact taxes will have to rise to pay for the COVID-19 episode but sadly that will not provide for the distribution of wealth you require. You have to be realistic and not idealistic.

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We will get a better distribution of wealth under a socialist liberal government than we will get under a conservative wealth

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

We will get a better distribution of wealth under a socialist liberal government than we will get under a conservative wealth

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And that redistribution of wealth will make everyone poorer and the people able to make thecountry richer will flee the country.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Nor did Emmeline Davison.

But Sludge is referring to Emily Davison - and although her death wasn't the main event behind women getting the vote (although the film Suffragette implied it) it was a significant milestone. Direct action is often what provokes change when the talking is going nowhere!

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How do you know he was referring to Emily Davidson? I doubt he actually knew her name until you posted it.

But he clearly was so intent on making his point that he didn't even stop to consider the point of what I said, (Although I agree it was fatuous) He was using Pankhurst wrongly to support his argument.
Emily Pankhurst never existed. (Or at least not in the realm of the suffragettes.)

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Of course tax's will rise, then it will be " the Tories, always putting up taxes to punish the poor "

yet the same tories have handed out that money ( that they will need to claw back ) to help us all

the tory money tree isnt as good at labours

damned if they do damned if they don't

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Hopefully the burden will fall on those who used it more than those of us who haven't. I'd feel personally aggrieved having lost 40% of my wages (whilst still working), to find I have to then pay more taxes to subsidise people that I know have blankly refused to work, and self employed people who have worked and taken the cash handout.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

And that redistribution of wealth will make everyone poorer and the people able to make thecountry richer will flee the country.

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That's according to libertarian economics

I dont agree with that school of thought

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's according to libertarian economics

I dont agree with that school of thought

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It's also according to people who have the nice things in life and don't want anyone else to get them.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's according to libertarian economics

I dont agree with that school of thought

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Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but in your case it is the only form of wit.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

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Isn't that what the gammon call "fearmongering"?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but in your case it is the only form of wit.

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:wave: Scaping the barrel now. :hehe: :wave:

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Isn't that what the gammon call "fearmongering"?

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I cannot answer that because I have no idea what a Gammon or the Gammon is/are supposed to be, and i have no inclination what so ever to look it up. I hope that won't change my life. It does seriously not bother me one iota! :-)

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I cannot answer that because I have no idea what a Gammon or the Gammon is/are supposed to be, and i have no inclination what so ever to look it up. I hope that won't change my life. It does seriously not bother me one iota! :-)

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White right wing English nationalist, Brexit fan, GSTQ fan, Conservative fan .

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I cannot answer that because I have no idea what a Gammon or the Gammon is/are supposed to be, and i have no inclination what so ever to look it up. I hope that won't change my life. It does seriously not bother me one iota! :-)

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I'll rephrase it for your benefit :thumbup:

Isn't that what the pro-Brexit folk call "fearmongering"?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

And that redistribution of wealth will make everyone poorer and the people able to make thecountry richer will flee the country.

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What expertise/evidence are you offering here? Or are you guessing as usual?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Who gives a toss whether you agree with it or not? your disagreement won't stop it happening. I'd love to know what magic formula you have to redistribute the wealth of the nation and make everyone richer. It must be a blinder. People will pay you a fortune for it.

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You do realise it is possible to redistribute wealth and create a better society without stripping the top earners dry and turning them into beggars ?

Loads of people dont agree with capitalist economic theory wether you care a toss or not

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Hopefully the burden will fall on those who used it more than those of us who haven't. I'd feel personally aggrieved having lost 40% of my wages (whilst still working), to find I have to then pay more taxes to subsidise people that I know have blankly refused to work, and self employed people who have worked and taken the cash handout.

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you might find we are all in this together

i hate to say it, the people who are self employed will look at not earning alot and will try to avoid paying that much tax

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I'll rephrase it for your benefit :thumbup:

Isn't that what the pro-Brexit folk call "fearmongering"?

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feck nose :shrug:

Here's a shocker:

Cambridge University backs academic who tweeted 'White Lives Don't Matter' - and promotes her to professor

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

I know it's the Daily Mail but presume it's true or Twitter wouldn't have deleted it.

Back to the original topic-

The Burnley fan who organised it has been banned for life by the club...
and has been sacked from his job
https://www.goal.com/en/news/white-l...p1eomqkhhgia4i

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Here's a shocker:

Cambridge University backs academic who tweeted 'White Lives Don't Matter' - and promotes her to professor

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

I know it's the Daily Mail but presume it's true or Twitter wouldn't have deleted it.

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Good