Chaos in Government

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Wow well done you must be so proud to find a mistake in a 10 second reply on a phone, have a look you'll find plenty more.

I was simply pointing out to the previous poster that most Millionires and Billionaires voted to remain as they could employ workers from abroad offering a lower wage, so he was wrong in saying they all voted to leave, he had it the wrong way around.

Your post makes no sense at all, every one else in the Country understands supply and demand and that if you import workers the labour rate goes down?

Yes they may have had a wage with all the add on's but because they were coming from the EU they were prepared to work for a lower rate?

Come on you're supposed to be a Labour voter thats so basic?

That was a 15 second one so try and deflect as much as you like!

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EU workers were paid at the appropriate rate for the job they did, it’s the law. I know lads from European countries working here who are paid the same rate as locals, there’s no racial pecking order. You say workers from abroad are offered a lower wage? You reckon EU citizens were offered less than minimum wage? Hmmm. The black economy ducks out of even minimum wage. The black economy benefits dodgy employers. That’s basic.
Also, you should be on a lower wage because your grasp of your mother tongue is shite:hehe:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

That’s the little bit of Tory scum in me.....I lied in my first sentence:thumbup:

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Haha And Tony Blair never lied about taking our troops to war in Iraq?
When Brown said "British jobs for British workers" was he lying?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Haha And Tony Blair never lied about taking our troops to war in Iraq?
When Brown said "British jobs for British workers" was he lying?

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I didn’t mention them, I was admitting to my fibbing.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

EU workers were paid at the appropriate rate for the job they did, it’s the law. I know lads from European countries working here who are paid the same rate as locals, there’s no racial pecking order. You say workers from abroad are offered a lower wage? You reckon EU citizens were offered less than minimum wage? Hmmm. The black economy ducks out of even minimum wage. The black economy benefits dodgy employers. That’s basic.
Also, you should be on a lower wage because your grasp of your mother tongue is shite:hehe:

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It's not just about minimum wage though is it? You get wage supression right through the wage structure. Except probably at the top. Which is why big business loves cheap foreign labour.
Take a building site for example, a team of foriegn tradesmen come on site and undercut British workers because they have much lower overheads back home. I know British tradesmen who were sacked for foriegn labour willing to do the job much cheaper. It was happening all the time.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

The claims made by leave weren't excessively outrageous to the point of demanding a second vote.

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If you think that falsely claiming the NHS would be given £350 million a week isn't an excessively outrageous lie then that says a hell of a lot about your character

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Originally Posted by splott parker

EU workers were paid at the appropriate rate for the job they did, it’s the law. I know lads from European countries working here who are paid the same rate as locals, there’s no racial pecking order. You say workers from abroad are offered a lower wage? You reckon EU citizens were offered less than minimum wage? Hmmm. The black economy ducks out of even minimum wage. The black economy benefits dodgy employers. That’s basic.
Also, you should be on a lower wage because your grasp of your mother tongue is shite:hehe:

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Jesus you still don't get it do you?

It's like trying to play chess with a chimp :hehe:

I didn't say they specifically offer EU citizens a lower wage?

I said through supply and demand, they could offer their employees a lower wage, pause and think for a while it's not hard.

Now they can't employee overseas workers the rates will have to go up, HGV drivers were the first many others have followed.

Have a rest now, you don't want to damage the remaining couple of brain cells :hehe:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

If you think that falsely claiming the NHS would be given £350 million a week isn't an excessively outrageous lie then that says a hell of a lot about your character

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40 brand new hospitals was only a white lie

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Originally Posted by Rjk

In what areas is the EU very protectionist?

The whole point is it's a free trade area, so anyone operating within that area is competing with all the other countries within that free trade area whether they like it or not.

In general the trade tariffs are very low as well for countries outside of the EU.

Yes the agriculture industry is supported, predominately to allow traditional less intensive farming methods to survive in the face of modern industrial mega farms

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Ursula Von de Somthing :) has stated the EU is going to become more protectionist, yet they already have higher average tarrifs than Japan and America. They still can't agree a trade deal with America(it's biggest trading partner i think) due to EU protectionism.
There's also protectionism within the EU. take d.o.p foods for example. This all comes at greater cost to the consumer.

Apparently the EU have earmarked 1 trillion euros of tax payers money to pay for long term EU farming subsidies. It's very protectionist in this area. Of that money allocated, 80% goes to 20% of farming outfits. So it's not going to small traditional farmers. But big business AGAIN.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

If you think that falsely claiming the NHS would be given £350 million a week isn't an excessively outrageous lie then that says a hell of a lot about your character

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Both sides bent the truth, yet all you want to talk about is supposed Leave lies. What's that say about your character Canton boy?
How much extra in real terms went to the NHS after Brexit. Do you know? Bare in mind the unexpected cost of lockdowns to the national purse during the time after Brexit.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Jesus you still don't get it do you?

It's like trying to play chess with a chimp :hehe:

I didn't say they specifically offer EU citizens a lower wage?

I said through supply and demand, they could offer their employees a lower wage, pause and think for a while it's not hard.

Now they can't employee overseas workers the rates will have to go up, HGV drivers were the first many others have followed.

Have a rest now, you don't want to damage the remaining couple of brain cells :hehe:

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So if I follow, UK inflation rates above our competitors are due to wage inflation for scarce jobs. Is that right?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Cameron, Ron Ron

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He’s ignoring you isn’t he.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

He’s ignoring you isn’t he.

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IRonically. he will not be the first or last!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

He’s ignoring you isn’t he.

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Hello Bob. I'm busy, typing on my phone and not quite sure of the point he's making, if any.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Hello Bob. I'm busy, typing on my phone and not quite sure of the point he's making, if any.

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Think it started with this one hun x

Talking of evolutionary adaptation I often wonder what that anti-immigration, proudly religious, pseudo-intellectual, booringly argumentative and deeply patronising RonnieBird evolved into since his user name no longer posts on this Board.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Jesus you still don't get it do you?

It's like trying to play chess with a chimp :hehe:

I didn't say they specifically offer EU citizens a lower wage?

I said through supply and demand, they could offer their employees a lower wage, pause and think for a while it's not hard.

Now they can't employee overseas workers the rates will have to go up, HGV drivers were the first many others have followed.

Have a rest now, you don't want to damage the remaining couple of brain cells :hehe:

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Yes those P&O workers are positively rolling in it since we left the EU https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Meanwhile back in the real world I met the president of Poland today. He congratulated us on winning a contract that will see the creation of 1000 jobs in Poland.

That’s 1000 new jobs that were destined for UK but due to Brexit, the contract & jobs were redirected into the EU instead. That’s £600m that the UK won’t see.

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Good luck to Poland, nice people. I hope they continue to reject mass immigration.
But by 2024, something like 85% of global GDP will come from outside the EU.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Think it started with this one hun x

Talking of evolutionary adaptation I often wonder what that anti-immigration, proudly religious, pseudo-intellectual, booringly argumentative and deeply patronising RonnieBird evolved into since his user name no longer posts on this Board.

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Oh you have digital paranoia and i'm *Ron*. I see. Am i more or less interesting than this Ron guy? What do we have in common?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Oh you have digital paranoia and i'm *Ron*. I see. Am i more or less interesting than this Ron guy? What do we have in common?

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Less interesting!

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’d call £350 million a week for the NHS lie as outrageous. You don’t?

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How much extra in real terms was actually given to the NHS?

Do you not want to talk about remain lies?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’d call £350 million a week for the NHS lie as outrageous. You don’t?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Less interesting!

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Spiteful git

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Good luck to Poland, nice people. I hope they continue to reject mass immigration.
But by 2024, something like 85% of global GDP will come from outside the EU.

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Yet around 5% of the global population is within the EU.

What is your point Östreicher?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’d call £350 million a week for the NHS lie as outrageous. You don’t?

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Yet around 5% of the global population is within the EU.

What is your point Östreicher?

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If free trade is the modus operandi. There's more opportunities outside the EU. Hong Kong has the lowest tariffs and they seem to do well.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

If free trade is the modus operandi. There's more opportunities outside the EU. Hong Kong has the lowest tariffs and they seem to do well.

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How's sovereignty going for them?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Most vote Labour because they say they will tax the wealthy more, increase benefits and wages for the low paid and public industries and spend more on public services, but they can never say where the money is going to come from.

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You've answered your own statement

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

If free trade is the modus operandi. There's more opportunities outside the EU. Hong Kong has the lowest tariffs and they seem to do well.

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Then why aren’t we taking advantage of them?

Why not take advantage of the ones on our doorstep that have now ****ed our economy be being out of?

Why are you using an anagram of hitler as a username and pretending not to be wales bales?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

If free trade is the modus operandi. There's more opportunities outside the EU. Hong Kong has the lowest tariffs and they seem to do well.

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How do you say you're a moron, without saying you're a moron?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Then why aren’t we taking advantage of them?

Why not take advantage of the ones on our doorstep that have now ****ed our economy be being out of?

Why are you using an anagram of hitler as a username and pretending not to be wales bales?

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Someone similar used to issue a financial challenge whenever it was suggested he was a Gluey multi. Let's see how this pans out!

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

How do you say you're a moron, without saying you're a moron?

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You're twp Ron Ron, You're twp Ron Ron!

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’d call £350 million a week for the NHS lie as outrageous. You don’t?

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Then why aren’t we taking advantage of them?

Why not take advantage of the ones on our doorstep that have now ****ed our economy be being out of?

Why are you using an anagram of hitler as a username and pretending not to be wales bales?

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We are taking advantage of the free trade possibilities with more to come. You need to give it a good 20 years before we can truly assess.
Our economy is not ****ed due to Brexit. The lockdown and banking crisis saddled us with debt.

If you go around making anagrams of peoples names and looking for a deeper meaning, you'll drive yourself madder than you are over a democratic vote.
My names anagram is Purely coincidental. I chose a name after village called Litherland in England. And a noter to my Lithe build.

Why can't you move on from Brexit and accept your chosen side lost?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’d call £350 million a week for the NHS lie as outrageous. You don’t?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

How's sovereignty going for them?

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They're slowly being usurped by a quasi communist state. Should they have stayed within the British empire?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

We are taking advantage of the free trade possibilities with more to come. You need to give it a good 20 years before we can truly assess.
Our economy is not ****ed due to Brexit. The lockdown and banking crisis saddled us with debt.

If you go around making anagrams of peoples names and looking for a deeper meaning, you'll drive yourself madder than you are over a democratic vote.
My names anagram is Purely coincidental. I chose a name after village called Litherland in England. And a noter to my Lithe build.

Why can't you move on from Brexit and accept your chosen side lost?

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You're fit Ron Ron

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

They're slowly being usurped by a quasi communist state. Should they have stayed within the British empire?

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Remind me of their choice?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I’d call £350 million a week for the NHS lie as outrageous. You don’t?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Remind me of their choice?

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Did Hong Kongers actually choose or did China nag Britain to death. Either way, i'm not really sure what your point is? That we will be taken over by China for choosing greater sovereignty over the EU?

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

Did Hong Kongers actually choose or did China nag Britain to death. Either way, i'm not really sure what your point is? That we will be taken over by China for choosing greater sovereignty over the EU?

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No, you said "Hong Kong has the lowest tariffs and they seem to do well". If you see the world through a single prism of trade I guess you have a point. But according to you this has come at the cost of being usurped by a quasi communist state. My point was doing well because of low tariffs isn't the be all and end all. Do you have a better example?

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We are taking advantage of the free trade possibilities with more to come. You need to give it a good 20 years before we can truly assess.
Our economy is not ****ed due to Brexit. The lockdown and banking crisis saddled us with debt.

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But our economy is already a billion a year worse than it would have been in the EU.

The banking crisis?! **** sake :hehe:

So we’ve purposely ****ed our economy for 20 years but then we’ll see. **** me I’ve heard some shit gluey in my time but you are genuinely an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Lither_1927

The Jewish lobby run America, effectively Isreal are the most powerful nation on earth.

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Mad how this dork has exactly the same opinions and posting style as gluey isn’t it.

Litherland more like cloud cockoo land you racist freak.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

But our economy is already a billion a year worse than it would have been in the EU.

The banking crisis?! **** sake :hehe:

So we’ve purposely ****ed our economy for 20 years but then we’ll see. **** me I’ve heard some shit gluey in my time but you are genuinely an idiot.

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Wales will lose 2.3 billion as a result of Brexit, a loss per head of the population of £743.11, between 2021 and 2027,
The Welsh who voted for Brexit are a bunch of Turkeys voting for a early Christmas.

[QUOTE=Des Parrot;5318936]Meanwhile back in the real world I met the president of Poland today. He congratulated us on winning a contract that will see the creation of 1000 jobs in Poland.

That’s 1000 new jobs that were destined for UK but due to Brexit, the contract & jobs were redirected into the EU instead. That’s £600m that the UK won’

Des - great to hear from the horse’s mouth what is really going on out there. It will go over the heads of some of the ‘experts’ on here that probably rarely leave their front room. Hope it goes well for you there - meeting the president is something a bit special!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

No, you said "Hong Kong has the lowest tariffs and they seem to do well". If you see the world through a single prism of trade I guess you have a point. But according to you this has come at the cost of being usurped by a quasi communist state. My point was doing well because of low tariffs isn't the be all and end all. Do you have a better example?

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They are not being Usurped because they do well out of free trade.
I don't need a better example. Hong Kong has the lowest tarifs in the world and are very successful. What historical claims China has on Hong Kong is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

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Originally Posted by dandywarhol

Wales will lose 2.3 billion as a result of Brexit, a loss per head of the population of £743.11, between 2021 and 2027,
The Welsh who voted for Brexit are a bunch of Turkeys voting for a early Christmas.

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£115 ish pounds a year for 6 years.
Interesting, can you link me to the source of that claim.
Also, Quality of life is not soley about numbers on a spread sheet. Imagine reducing your life to that sort of dystopian hell.