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lardy
Ever so sorry, sir, for continuing to discuss Trump in The Donald Trump Thread. Perhaps if sir doesn't like it, sir could refrain from opening and reading the thread?
It's a race to be the nominee, of course those who support other candidates will criticise him. Exactly the same happens all the time. Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio are great examples of people who heavily criticised Trump but (embarrassingly) flipped when he got elected.
Just pointing out ones infatuation with Trump as other political narratives past one by , I keep ypu updated though as it probably helps one balance ones views and avoids blinkered views.
PS : I've not been knighted yet, hoping too .
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I used to read the Guardian as well back in the day , dreadful paper now , with thay Owen fella, I know it makes me an evil Blairite.
Long live in the memory those glorious successful Labour governments of the past .
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life on mars
I used to read the Guardian as well back in the day , dreadful paper now , with thay Owen fella, I know it makes me an evil Blairite.
Long live in the memory those glorious successful Labour governments of the past .
Silly question I know, but if you have stopped reading it how do you know it's dreadful now?
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RonnieBird
Experts and scientists were convinced for 500 years that metals changed from one sort to another in time and that lead would eventually become gold. They spent this time unsuccessfully trying to accelerate that process .
Experts and scientists in Germany and other places in the 1930s were convinced that Jews and others were subhuman.
Experts and scientists in the 1940s were convinced that if you split the hydrogen atom it'd start a chain reaction which would change all the water in the world into heavy water.
I could go on.... Be cautious of scientists and experts till you see their theories work .
Have you applied that same caution to your faith?
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Wales-Bales
I used to be an avid reader bob. I had it delivered to the front door every day, and they even "persuaded" me to vote for Anthony Blair! It had never actually crossed my mind to question the the consensus of the established media, but Iraq and WOMD soon put an end to that falacy. After that, I decided to stop being lazy and I redeployed my research skills into other areas of life. I reevaluated my approach to all sources of information, and that's how I was able to see through the Russia collusion bullcrap right from the very beginning. Of course, the internet has also played a part in this new way of doing things, and we are now able to dig a lot deeper into almost any subject we choose, so there are no excuses anymore. And that is also the reason why the media can no longer get away with making stuff up, unless we explicitly give them a free pass to do so.
Therefore, when you say "Maybe it's an education thing? I was taught to question everything", you're aren't talking about your formal education then? What you say above, all sounds pretty impressive until you realise that it simply isn't true - how can it be when your self proclaimed deductive reasoning and redeployed research skills appear to fly out of the window when it comes to the subject of this thread? You and the other members of the mutual admiration society that is the I know everything about everything club have no acknowledgement of shades of grey whatsoever, whereas quite a few of us, who you and Mr Bird were dismissing as sheep a week or two ago, have shown an ability to recognise that there can be a truth which lies between the two extremes.
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the other bob wilson
Therefore, when you say "Maybe it's an education thing? I was taught to question everything", you're aren't talking about your formal education then? What you say above, all sounds pretty impressive until you realise that it simply isn't true - how can it be when your self proclaimed deductive reasoning and redeployed research skills appear to fly out of the window when it comes to the subject of this thread? You and the other members of the mutual admiration society that is the I know everything about everything club have no acknowledgement of shades of grey whatsoever, whereas quite a few of us, who you and Mr Bird were dismissing as sheep a week or two ago, have shown an ability to recognise that there can be a truth which lies between the two extremes.
Before the internet, the only source of up to date information on current affairs was the media, so it wasn't commonly known that they manipulated events. I already had the research skills, but there was no access to raw data to discover these things independently. When I saw what was happening with the WOMD story, I took note of it, and I changed my strategy. So yes, it is an educational thing when you are able to modify your own behaviour when confronted with new knowledge. In the piece above I am mostly talking the post-internet age, where there really are no excuses if you get hoodwinked by the media. I have cleaned up my information game, whereas you clearly haven't. Don't worry about what other people are doing, just take a good took at yourself and see what you are doing wrong today. Life is a journey for everybody, and it's never too late to change your ways.
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Wales-Bales
I used to be an avid reader bob. I had it delivered to the front door every day, and they even "persuaded" me to vote for Anthony Blair! It had never actually crossed my mind to question the the consensus of the established media, but Iraq and WOMD soon put an end to that falacy. After that, I decided to stop being lazy and I redeployed my research skills into other areas of life. I reevaluated my approach to all sources of information, and that's how I was able to see through the Russia collusion bullcrap right from the very beginning. Of course, the internet has also played a part in this new way of doing things, and we are now able to dig a lot deeper into almost any subject we choose, so there are no excuses anymore. And that is also the reason why the media can no longer get away with making stuff up, unless we explicitly give them a free pass to do so.
And of the course contributors to the "Internet" would never do that! Welcome to the brave new world.
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Gofer Blue
And of the course contributors to the "Internet" would never do that! Welcome to the brave new world.
Welcome to the brave new world where you get to use your own brain :thumbup:
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Wales-Bales
Before the internet, the only source of up to date information on current affairs was the media, so it wasn't commonly known that they manipulated events. I already had the research skills, but there was no access to raw data to discover these things independently. When I saw what was happening with the WOMD story, I took note of it, and I changed my strategy. So yes, it is an educational thing when you are able to modify your own behaviour when confronted with new knowledge. In the piece above I am mostly talking the post-internet age, where there really are no excuses if you get hoodwinked by the media. I have cleaned up my information game, whereas you clearly haven't. Don't worry about what other people are doing, just take a good took at yourself and see what you are doing wrong today. Life is a journey for everybody, and it's never too late to change your ways.
None of which addresses the point I make in my message which, to put it another way, for all of your self proclaimed qualities and research, I know for a fact how you will react to any story about Donald Trump that appears in this thread. Who knows, perhaps it was one of the twenty nine per cent (actually, I see it's back down to twenty eight per cent now) of occasions when, according to a respected fact checking site, Trump was telling what could be a called a half truth, mostly true or the truth when he said he didn't advocate nuking hurricanes, but there are dozens of examples of ludicrous statements and lies by the man called the most powerful in the world in this thread and yet your reaction to them is always the same.
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Wales-Bales
Welcome to the brave new world where you get to use your own brain :thumbup:
..................to slavishly follow the line given to you by your favourite alt right site.
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the other bob wilson
..................to slavishly follow the line given to you by your favourite alt right site.
That's where your arguement falls down, as my observations have turned out to be mostly true. Now if my name was lardy, then you may have had a point about someone slavishly following a biased news source who got it all totally wrong.
So all that we have ascertained from this exchange is that I know how to correctly source information that passes the reality test. Next time my sources may have a left-wing slant, and what are you going to say then?
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the other bob wilson
None of which addresses the point I make in my message which, to put it another way, for all of your self proclaimed qualities and research, I know for a fact how you will react to any story about Donald Trump that appears in this thread. Who knows, perhaps it was one of the twenty nine per cent (actually, I see it's back down to twenty eight per cent now) of occasions when, according to a respected fact checking site, Trump was telling what could be a called a half truth, mostly true or the truth when he said he didn't advocate nuking hurricanes, but there are dozens of examples of ludicrous statements and lies by the man called the most powerful in the world in this thread and yet your reaction to them is always the same.
Maybe if he did something illegal I might have some harsh words to say about him, but since he was the victim of an overthrow attempt it makes it a bit tougher to do that.
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Wales-Bales
That's where your arguement falls down, as my observations have turned out to be mostly true. Now if my name was lardy, then you may have had a point about someone slavishly following a biased news source who got it all totally wrong.
So all that we have ascertained from this exchange is that I know how to correctly source information that passes the reality test. Next time my sources may have a left-wing slant, and what are you going to say then?
Um, after I'd picked myself up off the floor I'd probably say good on you, but bear in mind I'm sixty four in February and the average life expectancy for a man in the UK is seventy nine I believe.
Also, is "correctly source information" alt right talk for saying you endlessly visit their sites?
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the other bob wilson
Um, after I'd picked myself up off the floor I'd probably say good on you, but bear in mind I'm sixty four in February and the average life expectancy for a man in the UK is seventy nine I believe.
Also, is "correctly source information" alt right talk for saying you endlessly visit their sites?
The ball is in your court bob. You can either follow lardy into the propaganda abyss, or you can learn how to think for yourself by following the example of posters such as RonnieBird. There is a fine case study in this very thread that you can analyse in detail. You had people like lardy & cyril who were quoting from the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, Politico, BuzzFeed, Guardian, etc., on a daily basis, and they tuned out to be almost entirely 100% wrong. Some other posters who were thinking for themselves did a little digging, and they found a tiny handful of sources that were virtually 100% accurate on all matters. It's up to you if you want to carry on being oblivious to the truth, and I am sure some people even like it that way so that they can maintain their imaginary worldviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCTunqv1Xt4
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Update: Absolute bombshell, It looks like I may have jumped the gun a little. Trump had loans that were co-signed by Russian oligarchs! :yikes: lardy & cyril are going to nail me for this :cry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wolL01j-zZw
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Wales-Bales
Update: Absolute bombshell, It looks like I may have jumped the gun a little. Trump had loans that were co-signed by Russian oligarchs! :yikes: lardy & cyril are going to nail me for this :cry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wolL01j-zZw
You little tinker - must admit that, although I don't believe he has said his claim was definitely wrong, it's pretty shocking and unprofessional behaviour, I wonder if it'll be a career ender for him?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoy.../#35b170302f23
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How long before we get TBC, the only channel guaranteed not to give you fake news when it comes to the great leader?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rk-neil-cavuto
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Another one of trump's weird things. He likes to talk about big strong guys, always big and strong, crying and thanking him
https://youtu.be/L3tdk4-M9Ks
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Michael Flynn going for the nuclear option?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ZCg0ZH9vg the
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I'm grateful to the poster on here who brought this matter to my attention - apparently, the President has said that he wants this photo removed from the Internet, so can I ask that you all take the appropriate action please.
Attachment 3231
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I see that Donald decided to skip the WWII event in Poland to play golf and send 120 tweets.
Don't know why, he should like WWII, the Russians were on the winning side.
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lardy
Another one of trump's weird things. He likes to talk about big strong guys, always big and strong, crying and thanking him
https://youtu.be/L3tdk4-M9Ks
Has Trump been impeached yet , sorry to repeat the question , its just so confusing its not happening,
when so much alleged misdemeanours have been set at his door .
Surely he is low in the polls, and won't get another term andvwevwill seem him in jail ??.
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I bet The Squad won't like this tweet one bit
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m glad that Obama killed bin Laden before Trump had a chance to become friends with him.</p>— Travis Allen (@TravisAllen02) <a href="https://twitter.com/TravisAllen02/status/1170810576769101831?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">....I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1171452881729228802?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Wales-Bales
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">....I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1171452881729228802?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
For once I agree with 45, he’s a right rotter that one
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Listen, I’m voting for 45 in 2020, because he’s earned it with his policies. I thought I made myself perfectly clear on that. If I wasn’t, now you know. I just haven’t had the chance to “explain” in detail ‘why’ I’m just one out of millions of black voters who’ll vote for him too <a href="https://t.co/Wc2l3NYWuC">pic.twitter.com/Wc2l3NYWuC</a></p>— Isaiah Washington (@IWashington) <a href="https://twitter.com/IWashington/status/1172955565426757633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Just thought I' post this in the interests of balance :hehe:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-2020-election
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Wales-Bales
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Any Candace in this thread?
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Does anybody besides lardy & cyril still believe in Trump Russia Collusion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KUYOMll5ns
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The rats (aka lardy & cyril heroes) are fleeing the sinking ship!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UPDATE: McCabe's spokesperson now says Brennan, Rice, Holder won't be testifying as character witnesses for him after all, despite calling the full witness list (below) "accurate" just a few hours ago. <a href="https://t.co/i6j2G8ctfK">https://t.co/i6j2G8ctfK</a> <a href="https://t.co/Gzff6ZyFJd">pic.twitter.com/Gzff6ZyFJd</a></p>— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) <a href="https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1173708090623107074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...blower-scandal
If the latest reporting is accurate, we know that Donald Trump had a phone call with a foreign leader, during which he made a provocative “promise.” We know a U.S. intelligence official considered the presidential vow alarming and filed a complaint on Aug. 12. We know the intelligence community’s inspector general considered the whistleblower’s complaint credible and urgent.
We know the Trump-appointed acting DNI ignored legal requirements related to congressional disclosure. We know the intelligence community’s inspector general was uncomfortable with the DNI’s decision to ignore the law, and the IG, Michael Atkinson, made the relevant congressional committees aware of the existence of the complaint earlier this month.
We don’t know what, specifically, the president promised one of his foreign counterparts, or to whom he was speaking. There is, however, a limited number of foreign leaders Trump spoke to around the relevant dates, and the Post’s article noted a July 31 phone conversation the Republican had with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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lardy
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...blower-scandal
If the latest reporting is accurate, we know that Donald Trump had a phone call with a foreign leader, during which he made a provocative “promise.” We know a U.S. intelligence official considered the presidential vow alarming and filed a complaint on Aug. 12. We know the intelligence community’s inspector general considered the whistleblower’s complaint credible and urgent.
We know the Trump-appointed acting DNI ignored legal requirements related to congressional disclosure. We know the intelligence community’s inspector general was uncomfortable with the DNI’s decision to ignore the law, and the IG, Michael Atkinson, made the relevant congressional committees aware of the existence of the complaint earlier this month.
We don’t know what, specifically, the president promised one of his foreign counterparts, or to whom he was speaking. There is, however, a limited number of foreign leaders Trump spoke to around the relevant dates, and the Post’s article noted a July 31 phone conversation the Republican had with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Hmm, Was it:
a) Eastern Ukraine;
b) Greenland (suitable profit margin);
c) Melania or
d) all of the above?
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I have just finished the second Wolff book, Siege. Bannon is probably the main source for both his books. Fascinating and shocking - and almost all true, with just a couple of unsourced assertions. The Woodward book is 100% true.
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jon1959
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I have just finished the second Wolff book, Siege. Bannon is probably the main source for both his books. Fascinating and shocking - and almost all true, with just a couple of unsourced assertions. The Woodward book is 100% true.
It's about as true as the Steele dossier, which is very true according to lardy :biggrin:
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jon1959
Recommended reading:
Attachment 3245 Attachment 3246 Attachment 3247
I have just finished the second Wolff book, Siege. Bannon is probably the main source for both his books. Fascinating and shocking - and almost all true, with just a couple of unsourced assertions. The Woodward book is 100% true.
I guess those law revering, democracy loving, independent thinking, intellectually superior minds would be all over this. Particularly as Inspector General reports and whistle-blowers have been so important in their narrative. Seems I was hasty to completely ignore their views just when deep state are denying an IG and whistleblower transparency to the people.