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life on mars
Its just politics bugger all to do with impeachment.
""Trump has taken a reasonable position that the House’s failure to vote and its unabashedly partisan drive to impeach render the purported impeachment inquiry illegitimate.""
Shame you missed the next part of the article out of your post.
https://nypost.com/2019/10/16/pelosi...litics-no-law/
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"Therefore, Trump has taken a reasonable position that the House’s failure to vote and its unabashedly partisan drive to impeach render the purported impeachment inquiry illegitimate.
Yet, the Constitution’s commitment of impeachment solely to the House’s discretion is a two-edged sword: Yes, it means the House should act as an institution; but it also means no one — not the courts, and certainly not the president — may dictate to the House whether, when and how to conduct an impeachment inquiry.
There is nothing in the Constitution that says the House must vote, or that it cannot act through such standing committees as Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and Judiciary. In fact, nothing in the Constitution directs the creation of committees; they exist because Congress, with nearly plenary power over the way it conducts business, created them."
Somehow, in a right-wing tabloid article, written by the author of a book called 'Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency' where the tagline is "The real collusion in the 2016 election was not between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. It was between the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration" - Andrew McCarthy still concedes that the House don't have to vote on impeachment proceedings and certainly do not have to bend to the will of the despot President in charge of the USA.
Hence the word "reasonable" being used by the author not "President Trump's position is justified/correct".
Considering the headline is 'Pelosi’s impeachment drive is all politics, no law' - those paragraphs contradict the f**k out of those sentiments, don't they?
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This thread should be moved to the main board's, because what's coming next is going to be primetime. What we are witnessing now is just the final panic :biggrin:
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Deep State Don, swamp filler extraordinaire, is in Dallas tonight. He won't concern himself about who's hanging around near grassy knolls.
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jon1959
Art Of The Deal :hehe:
Erdogan agrees ceasefire with Trump :biggrin:
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More fake news?
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan put US President Donald Trump's letter "in the bin", the BBC has been told.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50080737
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Wales-Bales
Lets bin the fake news.
USA can't win criticised for occupying foreign lands and for leaving them , let Syria and Turkey sort it along with thier new Russian policeman, if only these countries could manage themselves and let different cultures live together in a free democratic way .
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life on mars
Lets bin the fake news.
USA can't win criticised for occupying foreign lands and for leaving them , let Syria and Turkey sort it along with thier new Russian policeman, if only these countries could manage themselves and let different cultures live together in a free democratic way .
Why do you think it's fake news? Once it was confirmed that the infantile, threatening, 'bad bestie' letter from Trump was genuine, I am surprised if anyone is really surprised it was binned. As it was leaked to the world there is no value in it either for future blackmail of Trump or Trumpers - through extreme embarrassment at its contents.
And when you start 'USA can't win, criticised....' you do accept that it is Donald J Trump himself who is being criticised and some of the strongest criticism is coming from within the USA, and even from amongst the Republican Party loyalists who have been most supine and supportive of the cretin so far.
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jon1959
Why do you think it's fake news? Once it was confirmed that the infantile, threatening, 'bad bestie' letter from Trump was genuine, I am surprised if anyone is really surprised it was binned. As it was leaked to the world there is no value in it either for future blackmail of Trump or Trumpers - through extreme embarrassment at its contents.
And when you start 'USA can't win, criticised....' you do accept that it is Donald J Trump himself who is being criticised and some of the strongest criticism is coming from within the USA, and even from amongst the Republican Party loyalists who have been most supine and supportive of the cretin so far.
Yes I do accept Trump is being criticised over this withdrawal, ita still ironic , wasn't that a part part of his election deceleration to stop the USA involvement in foreign lands ? .
I'm sure the Republican and Democrat hawks are worried , perhaps he's aliging to a socialist viewpoint of non involvement in foreign lands, one you should support , nope can't win .
I note you avoid my point about these folk allowing cultures and people to live in a democratic way .
At least the alleged evil capitalist American world allows a form of mulit cultures , democracy and freedom of speach without being beheaded or imprisoned.
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jon1959
True Democratic
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Why do you think it's fake news? Once it was confirmed that the infantile, threatening, 'bad bestie' letter from Trump was genuine, I am surprised if anyone is really surprised it was binned. As it was leaked to the world there is no value in it either for future blackmail of Trump or Trumpers - through extreme embarrassment at its contents.
And when you start 'USA can't win, criticised....' you do accept that it is Donald J Trump himself who is being criticised and some of the strongest criticism is coming from within the USA, and even from amongst the Republican Party loyalists who have been most supine and supportive of the cretin so far.
It's being reported that Pence and Erdogan reached the agreement (nothing to do with the Trumpmeister general himself) to call a ceasefire. The Kurds have agreed to the ceasefire too - incredible negotiation skills, indeed...
Buuuuut.... What will likely be overlooked on here (and in the Fox News article about it that I just read) is that the agreement between the US and Turkey has essentially given Turkey what they wanted in the first place, which was to get rid of the Kurds in the 'safe zone'. A spokesperson for them has said that they agree to the ceasefire but not to Turkey encroaching into Syrian land and will defend themselves if necessary.
I can't see this playing out any way other than further bloodshed, sadly.
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The letter maybe in the bin, but there is a ceasefire, something happened.
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life on mars
The letter maybe in the bin, but there is a ceasefire, something happened.
Read my last post LoM and you can read what has happened :thumbup:
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Heisenberg
Read my last post LoM and you can read what has happened :thumbup:
Ok
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Yes I do accept Trump is being criticised over this withdrawal, ita still ironic , wasn't that a part part of his election deceleration to stop the USA involvement in foreign lands ? .
I'm sure the Republican and Democrat hawks are worried , perhaps he's aliging to a socialist viewpoint of non involvement in foreign lands, one you should support , nope can't win .
I note you avoid my point about these folk allowing cultures and people to live in a democratic way .
At least the alleged evil capitalist American world allows a form of mulit cultures , democracy and freedom of speach without being beheaded or imprisoned.
Somewhere buried in there is a fair point. I did/do oppose military intervention by outside powers in the Middle East, whether to impose regime change, steal the oil, set up a client regime or (in theory if not practice) keep the peace.
But Trump is not pulling out the token US military presence because he shares my views. The opposite. He is deflecting from the impeachment investigations and fishing for better domestic headlines (and failing). He has been played by Erdogan, and betrayed the Kurds who represent the most progressive and liberal (democratic, respecting women's rights....) of the players in the region. He has encouraged reaction, murder and repression and accepted the Turkish claims that the Syrian Kurds are terrorists. That and their failure to attack the Normandy beaches sealed their fate!
Trump will use any economic or military tools available (he has trashed the diplomatic ones) to serve the interests of rich Americans - especially the one called Trump. He is not an anti-interventionist despite his 'bring the boys home' election slogans. He doesn't want to pay for his foreign wars but if he (or USA Corp) can turn a profit he is in there.
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Heisenberg
It's being reported that Pence and Erdogan reached the agreement (nothing to do with the Trumpmeister general himself) to call a ceasefire. The Kurds have agreed to the ceasefire too - incredible negotiation skills, indeed..
You've got to be kidding, only a non-politician willing to ignore the opposition and media created hysteria could have pulled off a deal like this. Washington is full of hawks and lobbyists who make vast sums of money out of military conflicts. Whether the peace can last is another matter, but this is the best that it has been in over 15 years, and it was an issue that previous politicians couldn't or weren't willing to sort out.
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Wales-Bales
You've got to be kidding, only a non-politician willing to ignore the opposition and media created hysteria could have pulled off a deal like this. Washington is full of hawks and lobbyists who make vast sums of money out of military conflicts. Whether the peace can last is another matter, but this is the best that it has been in over 15 years, and it was an issue that previous politicians couldn't or weren't willing to sort out.
In other news being swept under the carpet, Kiddy fiddlers being locked up by the bucket load. Major successes against sex trafficking, human trafficking, he wasn't called stealth Jeff for nothing. They never thought she would lose!!.
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Nelsonca61
In other news being swept under the carpet, Kiddy fiddlers being locked up by the bucket load. Major successes against sex trafficking, human trafficking, he wasn't called stealth Jeff for nothing. They never thought she would lose!!.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In what is becoming more and more a clown show, <a href="https://twitter.com/jimmomo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jimmomo</a> also raises doubts about the Italian media strategy over the Mifsud problem. If his British phones were given to Durham, then who is withholding his Italian phones?<a href="https://t.co/XLXUNi6GZD">https://t.co/XLXUNi6GZD</a></p>— Giulio Occhionero (@g_occhionero) <a href="https://twitter.com/g_occhionero/status/1185071389650362368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Gary Younge is one of the good things about the Guardian (plenty bad in my view) and he has got Trump dead to rights here:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...st-nationalism
"....in his desire to blame everyone but himself, in his lies, bullying, despotism, insecurity, ineptitude, cheating, scapegoating, preening self-regard, vanity and ignorance, Trump is an emblem of the free-market, white supremacist nationalism that is ascendant in this moment."
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jon1959
Gary Younge is one of the good things about the Guardian (plenty bad in my view) and he has got Trump dead to rights here:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...st-nationalism
"....in his desire to blame everyone but himself, in his lies, bullying, despotism, insecurity, ineptitude, cheating, scapegoating, preening self-regard, vanity and ignorance, Trump is an emblem of the free-market, white supremacist nationalism that is ascendant in this moment."
That's a very well written article and can't argue with anything he's said. Thanks for posting.
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My attitude with Trump has always been look at the man (because it's always a man) rather than the politics, but that article does a good job of showing that he is not alone. For example, we have a Prime Minister who told his sister he wanted to be "King of the World" when he was five - while that could be something that a kid might come out with at that age I suppose, it could be said that it says a lot about the man he has become.
"Preening self regard" is a phrase which puts me in mind of someone from a long time ago, but there are more than a few heirs apparent to that aspect of Mussolini's character around today.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...VWnqwf9Ulf-15i
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Keep on drinking the Kool Aid fellas. The people with the TDS problems are the ones who keep on believing all the BS dished up by the media. It's all one big psyop, and you are the intended target.
Meanwhile, last night in Dallas, the cult of Trump marches on..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHI9n7WX4AAAM5z?format=jpg
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What is Kool Aid? :shrug:
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jon1959
What is Kool Aid? :shrug:
Just for you old timer :biggrin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
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jon1959
What is Kool Aid? :shrug:
Has Gluey told you to keep "drinking the Kool Aid" by any chance? It's a term used to describe a cult-like following of orders/beliefs. It's derived from the 'Jonestown Massacre' when the followers (cult) of 'Reverend' Jim Jones all drank poisoned Kool Aid (a sugary drink that's popular in America) in a mass suicide.
There's an amazing documentary about the Jonestown Massacre called 'Jonestown'. Not sure if it's on Netflix or Amazon at the moment, but worth a watch if you enjoy documentaries and can find it online somewhere.
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Heisenberg
Has Gluey told you to keep "drinking the Kool Aid" by any chance? It's a term used to describe a cult-like following of orders/beliefs. It's derived from the 'Jonestown Massacre' when the followers (cult) of 'Reverend' Jim Jones all drank poisoned Kool Aid (a sugary drink that's popular in America) in a mass suicide.
There's an amazing documentary about the Jonestown Massacre called 'Jonestown'. Not sure if it's on Netflix or Amazon at the moment, but worth a watch if you enjoy documentaries and can find it online somewhere.
Yes, it's quite a story. They were a group of over 900 socialists seeking a Communist utopia, and they also murdered a member of Congress and some of his entourage before committing mass suicide.
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I found the documentary on YouTube for those who may be interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOqszjh_9es
'Jonestown - The Life and Death of People's Temple'
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Heisenberg
I read an in-depth article on Jonestown and they never once mentioned Kool-Aid. In fact, until today I never knew there was any connection. The expression itself has been in general usage for as long as I can remember, and like many such phrases there is no direct link to its origins. I've never even thought of it in terms of a cult either, but more of a lack of critical thinking, and repeating the same behaviours.
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For those of you who thought Saint Bob was a God with special exoneration powers..
AG Barr's special Russia investigator John Durham obtained BlackBerrys tied to launch of FBI Russia-Trump probe
"The FBI and special counsel Robert Mueller have always contended that Mr. Mifsud was a Russian asset. Mr. Mueller’s final report made no mention of the numerous associations Mr. Mifsud maintained with Western diplomats and intelligence figures."
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nvestigator-o/
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Wales-Bales
I never made it past Irn Bru!
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the other bob wilson
My attitude with Trump has always been look at the man (because it's always a man) rather than the politics, but that article does a good job of showing that he is not alone. For example, we have a Prime Minister who told his sister he wanted to be "King of the World" when he was five - while that could be something that a kid might come out with at that age I suppose, it could be said that it says a lot about the man he has become.
"Preening self regard" is a phrase which puts me in mind of someone from a long time ago, but there are more than a few heirs apparent to that aspect of Mussolini's character around today.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump...VWnqwf9Ulf-15i
Yep agree, every leader of a party falls into that mode ,they ard mostly self serving narcissists, its not just the blonde twins.
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life on mars
Yep agree, every leader of a party falls into that mode ,they ard mostly self serving narcissists, its not just the blonde twins.
Are you sure you're agreeing with Bob? I don't think he said every leader of a party is like that.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When the dust settles on this bonkers week, this remains:<br><br>The President’s chief of staff publicly admitted Trump withheld security aid from Ukraine unless they helped him undermine Hillary Clinton.<br><br>The literal definition of an aid-for-political help quid pro quo.</p>— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1185301889979686912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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TDS in action :biggrin:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While having lunch with <a href="https://twitter.com/RandPaul?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RandPaul</a> in California, we got verbally assaulted by these aggressive libs complaining about incivility. Check out the vid! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/unhinged?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#unhing ed</a> <a href="https://t.co/IdOTdc3pOC">pic.twitter.com/IdOTdc3pOC</a></p>— Sergio Gor (@SergioGor) <a href="https://twitter.com/SergioGor/status/1185329130922860544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ategic-mistake
That's now two of Trump's closest allies in the senate to criticise him this week regarding Syria.
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Heisenberg
He was elected on a promise to curtail overseas military involvement, and all he did in Syria was withdraw 28 military personnel from the border area who were placed there as a "tripwire". If anything had happened to them there would have been a huge escalation in the conflict.
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Wales-Bales
He was elected on a promise to curtail overseas military involvement, and all he did in Syria was withdraw 28 military personnel from the border area who were placed there as a "tripwire". If anything had happened to them there would have been a huge escalation in the conflict.
'All he did was withdraw 28 military personnel'?
Utter nonsense.
What he did was a telephone call with Erdogan where he gave the green light for accelerated invasion, ethnic cleansing and all out attack on the Kurdish forces that his government had previously regarded as allies.
Then almost a week later panicked in the face of almost universal condemnation (especially from his Republican mates) and tried to half backtrack. Far too late. The Pence/Pompeo mission to Turkey got a few days partial pause in the attack but otherwise confirmed the position Trump took originally with Erdogan.
Getting out of Syria (or anywhere else the US has put its military) is never just about troops- it is what chaos is left behind and who is given a free run to fill the political/military vacuum. I suspect Trump has got to where he is now through stupidity, ignorance and ineptitude rather than as part of some ingenious master-plan, but that doesn't help Kurdish kids being shelled with white phosphorous.
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jon1959
'All he did was withdraw 28 military personnel'?
Utter nonsense.
What he did was a telephone call with Erdogan where he gave the green light for accelerated invasion, ethnic cleansing and all out attack on the Kurdish forces that his government had previously regarded as allies.
Then almost a week later panicked in the face of almost universal condemnation (especially from his Republican mates) and tried to half backtrack. Far too late. The Pence/Pompeo mission to Turkey got a few days partial pause in the attack but otherwise confirmed the position Trump took originally with Erdogan.
Getting out of Syria (or anywhere else the US has put its military) is never just about troops- it is what chaos is left behind and who is given a free run to fill the political/military vacuum. I suspect Trump has got to where he is now through stupidity, ignorance and ineptitude rather than as part of some ingenious master-plan, but that doesn't help Kurdish kids being shelled with white phosphorous.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-tro...di-arabia-iran
You've got it all wrong, Jon. All Trump did was send 1,800 military personnel to Saudi Arabia after withdrawing the "28 military personnel" from Syria... to help curtail US overseas military involvement.
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Heisenberg
If only the Kurds had spent a bit more in Trump hotels.....or had oil instead of lots of sand the outcome could have been a tad different I guess!
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cyril evans awaydays
If only the Kurds had spent a bit more in Trump hotels.....or had oil instead of lots of sand the outcome could have been a tad different I guess!
It's depressing.
"They’ve got a lot of sand over there. So, there’s a lot of sand that they can play with. Let them fight their own wars" was the line that he used to talk about the potential deaths of innocent civilians.
But wait... there's this tweet from 2014 too...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/506198852933013504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What he's doing is completely obvious and indefensible.
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
'All he did was withdraw 28 military personnel'?
Utter nonsense.
What he did was a telephone call with Erdogan where he gave the green light for accelerated invasion, ethnic cleansing and all out attack on the Kurdish forces that his government had previously regarded as allies.
Then almost a week later panicked in the face of almost universal condemnation (especially from his Republican mates) and tried to half backtrack. Far too late. The Pence/Pompeo mission to Turkey got a few days partial pause in the attack but otherwise confirmed the position Trump took originally with Erdogan.
Getting out of Syria (or anywhere else the US has put its military) is never just about troops- it is what chaos is left behind and who is given a free run to fill the political/military vacuum. I suspect Trump has got to where he is now through stupidity, ignorance and ineptitude rather than as part of some ingenious master-plan, but that doesn't help Kurdish kids being shelled with white phosphorous.
US forces were never authorised by Congress to be in Syria, so I am not sure how anybody can criticize it.