FT: PORT VALE 0 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by fugsyphil

Individuality definitely getting coached out under current training protocols

---

I don't think anyone is being trained to pass very poorly, over-hit crosses, run into dead ends and squander possession. The players have to take responsibility for that.

Bit of an overreaction to both games

What was concerning I'd say was the general performance of the senior players in Chambers, Wintle & Willock. Chambers in particular was standoffish and not for the first time looks like his legs have gone. Willock looks like he doesn't really want to be here

Ryan Wintle is too slow physically and mentally for the position he wants to play. He lacks pace to cover ground as a holding midfielder and takes 4, 5, 6 touches rather than take the easy quick pass which slows the game immensely and allows Port Vale to get back into shape. I agree the wingers were poor, I'm no fan of either Tenner or Willock and there's no excusing the shocking crosses, but how many times did they get the ball played in front of them at pace? Positionally Wintle has a tendency to wander as well, leaving no protection to the back 4. I'd start King and if he's not up to it go and get someone who is

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by City123

Bit of an overreaction to both games

What was concerning I'd say was the general performance of the senior players in Chambers, Wintle & Willock. Chambers in particular was standoffish and not for the first time looks like his legs have gone. Willock looks like he doesn't really want to be here

Ryan Wintle is too slow physically and mentally for the position he wants to play. He lacks pace to cover ground as a holding midfielder and takes 4, 5, 6 touches rather than take the easy quick pass which slows the game immensely and allows Port Vale to get back into shape. I agree the wingers were poor, I'm no fan of either Tenner or Willock and there's no excusing the shocking crosses, but how many times did they get the ball played in front of them at pace? Positionally Wintle has a tendency to wander as well, leaving no protection to the back 4. I'd start King and if he's not up to it go and get someone who is

---

I'd agree about Willock and Chambers, completely disagree about Wintle though

I'd disagree about Wintle but it is an accurate description of what I thought of Chambers last season in the holding midfield role

City have to adapt or die to the hard work physicality of L1.

And Callumity Chambers should be chased out of Cardiff after that "display".

Strange how so many balls were completely over hit last night, from lots of players.
perhaps the extra frisson of aggression from being in a physical battle interfered with their natural game more than it should.
the players will have to get used to it quickly though, as other teams will have seen this performance and be looking to ruffle our feathers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rjk

Strange how so many balls were completely over hit last night, from lots of players.
perhaps the extra frisson of aggression from being in a physical battle interfered with their natural game more than it should.
the players will have to get used to it quickly though, as other teams will have seen this performance and be looking to ruffle our feathers.

---

Don't forget that we came bottom of the Championship last year. It's just more of the same.

Ashford should have started over Willock. I think Ashford's performance was underrated against Posh, and when Willock came on in that game, he almost conceded a goal.

Trott fannied about with the ball a bit, and made me nervous when being closed down by the Vale striker.

Chambers is good as a CDM, but the drizzling shits as a CB. Lawlor looked outclassed. Kpakio was one of the better players, but still made too many mistakes. Bagan got stuck in, and had a few OK balls, but looked very petulant and clumsy in defence.

Joel was probably my man of the match for at least getting stuck in and showing energy. Wintle wasn't awful, but definitely not the performance we saw on Saturday. Rubin didn't get too much of the ball, but looked OK with it. Midfield battles were still being lost, and Vale often played long balls past them.

Both Willock and Tanner were horrendous. Salech tried, but was in a graveyard shift and got no service from the wingers.

Overall, seems like the players thought they could stay in second gear and still get a win. They were incredibly fortunate to get a draw. Hopefully BBM gets it through that you can't afford to half-ass any game against any competition in this league, we need to take games by the scruff of their neck and play with confidence rather than haphazardly and lackadaisically.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Coyote

Ashford should have started over Willock. I think Ashford's performance was underrated against Posh, and when Willock came on in that game, he almost conceded a goal.

Trott fannied about with the ball a bit, and made me nervous when being closed down by the Vale striker.

Chambers is good as a CDM, but the drizzling shits as a CB. Lawlor looked outclassed. Kpakio was one of the better players, but still made too many mistakes. Bagan got stuck in, and had a few OK balls, but looked very petulant and clumsy in defence.

Joel was probably my man of the match for at least getting stuck in and showing energy. Wintle wasn't awful, but definitely not the performance we saw on Saturday. Rubin didn't get too much of the ball, but looked OK with it. Midfield battles were still being lost, and Vale often played long balls past them.

Both Willock and Tanner were horrendous. Salech tried, but was in a graveyard shift and got no service from the wingers.

Overall, seems like the players thought they could stay in second gear and still get a win. They were incredibly fortunate to get a draw. Hopefully BBM gets it through that you can't afford to half-ass any game against any competition in this league, we need to take games by the scruff of their neck and play with confidence rather than haphazardly and lackadaisically.

---

I'm surprised how much you've pushed Joel's performance, for me totally anonymous and fortunate to stay on as long as he did

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I don't think anyone is being trained to pass very poorly, over-hit crosses, run into dead ends and squander possession. The players have to take responsibility for that.

---

If the system gets the wingers into good wide possession, as happened several times last night for both Tanner and Willock, then it's not the system's fault if each of them sends in crosses that are utterly and embarrassingly useless, overhit by maybe 20 yards more than once. That system worked, the players didn't.

Of course it can be the manager's fault if he trusts a useless player to make a decent cross, and particularly if he was anything to do with giving one of them a lengthy new contract.

Apparently the players, under BBM's tutelage, chose Chambers to be their captain. That sums them up. They don't want a bollocking for not doing what they should, and he's a nice bloke. There's hardly a tough guy amongst them.

We shall see, it's all very interesting.

:ayatollah: