I know they will. For some of them, it's been a very nice pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
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I know they will. For some of them, it's been a very nice pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Good. What a stupid thing to do on so many levels but, even on a selfish personal level, it was always going to mean the sack.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Guessing requires a thought process :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
There really are some twats out there and she is clearly one of them . Black on white racism exists and this daft cow is culpableQuote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
To be fair, I think the Tweet should at least be correctly quoted. It was “White lives don’t matter. As white lives.”Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It was about the validity of using whiteness as a criterion for lives mattering. Her view seems to be that it is a false equivalence in the context of racial injustice/inequality in which “Black Lives Matter” has typically been expressed.
Let's just say it would have been best if she had thought a bit more before she tweetedQuote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
She’s been bombarded with abuse and threats and is now apparently suspended by Twitter for reposting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I think this thread summarises where she was coming from as far as I could tell. People may disagree but it at least provides a little balance to the Daily Mail headline (follow the replies to first post where he expands):
https://mobile.twitter.com/NicholasGuyatt/status/1276084612469608448
Feked up the link: https://mobile.twitter.com/NicholasG...84612469608448
https://www.facebook.com/10003387571...6834344789087/
Black lives matter
Your link’s feked Sludge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I do know, but does the 'source' know ?,
A certain group are killing themselves in larger numbers compared to other groups, the bottom line is that a certain group in the States make up 12% or 13% of the population but are responsible for 52% of ALL homicides, that is over 4 times what it should be, so stopping that group about 4 times more than compared to other groups as a whole in some people's book would be reasonable.
Black lives matter is not an anti white movement , it is an anti racist movement . If you cannot see that then you are part of the problem .
Just seen this on social media , I think its spot on
What you mean you saw the wording of the thread I've just started this morning ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Are the Russians behind BLM sludge factory ?, as they have been behind other similar groups apparently supporting Black causes (but some people fear their support is for others reasons, American authorities have been shutting their websites).Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
What are you talking about?! How are one certain group responsible for 52% of all homicides?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
You've been told that the "certain group" that you keep referring to are the victims of "52% of all homicides"... How does that make them responsible? Are they responsible for their own deaths because they're black, trampie?
Shall we add this "certain group" to the list of "groups" that you hate along with the English and Americans?
Yep. Just like that idiot flying the flag. We agree at last. But there is a certain irony. An idiot flies a flag over the Etihad and gets sacked but an academic posts inappropriately on Twitter and gets promoted. Funny old World.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I just read this on Wikipedia, from a US Survey:
Homicide
US homicide victims by race, 1980–2008[40]
US homicide convictions by race, 1980–2008[40]
According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites and 93% of African American victims killed by African Americans.[41][42][43]
In 2013, African Americans accounted for 52.2% of all murder arrests, with Whites 45.3% and Asians/indigenous Americans 2.5%. Of the above, 21.7% were Hispanic.[44][45]
Blacks account for the majority of gun homicide victims and arrestees in the US while Whites (including Hispanics) account for the majority of non-gun homicide victims and arrestees. Of the gun murder victims in the United States between 2007 and 2016, 57% were black, 40.6% white (including Hispanic), 1.35% Asian, 0.98% unknown race and 0.48% indigenous American. Non-gun homicides represented about 30% of total murders in the time period. Blacks were also over-represented in such homicides, although only by about 2.5 times their share of the general population.[46] Of the non-gun murder victims in the United States between 2007 to 2016, 61.5% were white (including Hispanic), 32.9% black, 2.29% Asian, 1.89% unknown race and 1.43% indigenous American.[47]
I don't think it tells us much except that most black victims were killed by black offenders and most white victims were killed by white offenders, which is pretty much as you'd expect in a country where the two don't generally mix too much.
Clearly those committing offences against each other don't give a stuff for BLM. People, irrespective of race, should not be killing each other because all lives matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
No shit, Vindec. Murderers don't usually tend to care about human life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Clearly, but Black Lives Matter is a slogan and movement focused around racial injustice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
There we are Heisenberg xsnaggle has put it up for you although I didn't see it on wiki, I seen it on a fact checking site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Of course. My response was tongue in cheek. Let's face it when you see a load of black people rioting in Brixham and a load of white people congregating on beaches you have to realise that there are a load of idiots out there who don't give a stuff about anything or anyone other than themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Share your fact checking site source then, trampie. xsnaggle's link has some flaws if you're basing your argument on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008" - that doesn't back up your claim that "one specific group is responsible for 52% of homicides". Unless you think using old figures is relevant to the present, of course. It's a bit like saying "Man United are winning more games than any other team" because "between 1992-2012 Man United were accountable for 50% of PL titles (haven't done the maths on that btw)"
The other part that stood out was this: "In 2013, African Americans accounted for 52.2% of all murder arrests, with Whites 45.3% and Asians/indigenous Americans 2.5%. Of the above, 21.7% were Hispanic."
How does that work? Unless there are black African-American-Hispanic people killing everyone?
Share your source that backs up your claim that 52% of homicides in America are commited by black people and you'll get a full apology from me.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crimeQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Agreed. Shame Burnley don't ban one of their other fans (Alastair Campbell) for contributing towards the death of thousands of iraqis.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
The same source then. Maybe rethink your phrasing and say that "between 1980-2008 black people were responsible for 52% of homicides" to be factually correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
No apology forthcoming.
Have the figures shocked you ?, have the figures shocked you to your core ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
The only thing that's shocked me is that you're being such a c**t about this matter. It shouldn't shock me since you're taking to the BLM stories in the same vein as you do with your anti-English and anti-America posts. I guess you just have an issue with anyone who isn't of Welsh heritage.
The figures don't shock you you say Heisenberg, blimey, they shock me that a small section of society out there can be responsible for the majority of all homicides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Again, no, it doesn't shock me... because of a little thing called 'context'. Have you ever applied it to anything you've posted, trampie?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
I'm fully into context and am still shocked at the stats.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
The point you are choosing to ignore is that most black murderers kill black victims and most white murderers kill white victims. I would say that would be pretty much as anyone would expect in such a divided society. There is certainly no case to suppose the premise that black people in the USA are rampaging about killing only white people. That is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Specifically it's an organisation which protests against incidents of police brutality against Afro-American people. Not racial injustice, but police brutality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
As usual the edges are getting blurred about why it exists
Police brutality by racist police officers I think is the key themeQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
My understanding is it’s more than just about police brutality, BLM was set-up in relation to police acquittals following brutality and thereby perceived injustices.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Yes you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
I had a look at its website/s. It's a really big organisation with a very broad range of aims and objectives. Three talented ladies at the head it's a successful business with strong PR and a significant marketing and sales arm. Also seems to have a good revenue stream with big donations from USA corporations particularly
Companies House UK website lists Black Lives Matter Worldwide Ltd. Also Black Lives Matter Ltd. I don't think they are related to the USA organisation, maybe people jumping on the bandwagon to capitalise on BLM name
BlackMattersUS and Blacktivist were said to be Russian sites, think the Yanks shut them down, Blacktivist was apparently a well known and popular site, sure I heard the Russians also bought Black Lives Matter ads for Facebook, targeting certain cities in the US.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09