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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
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That sounds right.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Yeah, 2 household bubble, no movement restrictions within walesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Yeah dont think thats confusing. People actually sticking to these rules is another thing all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Organised activity is defined by them belonging to an organisation that can ensure they follow Covid rules. Eg the FAW.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Not sure the Efail ISAF Swingers have a governing body.
Not saying it's Drakeford's fault. Give me some examples of what you consider organised indoor activities and whether they can be held in someone's home?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Is a dinner party permitted to raise some money for a charity, or is an organised birthday party, or a group together to watch a football match on TV...It can be a source of confusion
My wife’s mates are confused already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Instantly gone and booked a table in a restaurant and gin bar for 8 colleagues. They are already fully booked for the next two weeks despite no guidance on licensed premises reopening.
Organised activity needs a governing body or someone who can be held accountable.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
That’s been made clear.
I'd probably just check to see if Drakford has given any guidance on what constitutes an "indoor activity" under these guidelines since I doubt it'll have any impact on me...Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Oh, look what I found: "In relation to organised activity, up to 15 people can take part in an indoors activity and up to 30 in outdoors activity, providing all social distancing, hand hygiene and other Covid safety measures are followed.
Mr Drakeford said an organised activity is defined by whether or not it has a body responsible for ensuring all regulations are being followed.
Asked to clarify whether organised activities include sports and local community gatherings, he said: "The essential way we define an organised activity is if there is a body responsible for taking charge of what the regulations require, which is that all reasonable measures have been to limit the risk of coronavirus in that setting.
"In sports, that's often a governing body. In a community centre, that can be the local management committee.
"But it is organised because there is an individual or an organisation who can be held to account for complying with the law, and that's why we will allow – during this winter in community centres – groups of up to 15 people to meet for organised indoor activities.
"I've thought very hard about that. I've agreed to it because during the four months from now until the end of February, we know it will be harder for people to meet outdoors and we need to provide more indoor opportunities.
"But they've got to be organised activities, they've got to be held under the control of an individual or an organisation who takes all the steps that the law requires in Wales to make sure that that activity is run, or that setting is organised, in a way that minimises the risk.
"Activities that take place outside the rules will very likely be in breach of the rules in Wales."
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nised-19206512
Really??? Weve no chance. If members of the public are confused if we can have a grouoQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
We are doomed. If people around the country like Lisvane dont know if they can have a group around to watch the football may as well give up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Its totally depressing.
I wouldn't have thought that any of your examples would be allowedQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Im sure the hundreds of houses who have organised charity dinners in their homes in the middle of a pandemic will be able to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Maybe people booked before the lockdown in the hope that they'd be able go once lockdown ended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Regardless of when it was booked are groups constituting more than the two house bubble allowed to meet in pubs and restaurants?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Thank you for your concern. Im OK thanks and do understand. I was giving an example earlier of someone who didn't and was on TV suggesting that he could now meet up with his larger family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I put a few thoughts forward as to what could possibly be interpreted as an organised in door gathering and asking what definitive guidance has been given.
Thanks for that. The local Bridge Club should be OK then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Well he wasnt confused because he clearly understood he can now meet up with his family.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I doubt it very much but the rules concerning hospitality haven't been published yet have they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Well he was confused because he had a son plus wife and kids living in one part of Wales, a daughter plus family in another part of Wales and he was looking forward to them all getting togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Apologies. Didnt tie your last post on this correctly with the original. If he said his Daughter and his son and their children can meet up then hes correct. That can be their bubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
You added that he was looking forward to meeting his family. Yeah he cant do that if theyve formed a bubble.
Its a good point. With the lifting of the travel restrictions I can see this happening. Even if there isnt confusion.
Absolutely. As long as they are "held under the control of an individual or an organisation who takes all the steps that the law requires in Wales to make sure that that activity is run, or that setting is organised, in a way that minimises the risk".Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Can you keep a social distance of 2 metres from everyone whilst playing bridge, lisvaneblue?
You didn't make that clear earlier (as shown by some of the responses from other posters) but I knew what you meant. It's still the guy's fault for not understanding the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
2 households allowed in a bubble, but in this instance the guy is talking about 3 households - which is clearly forbidden and clearly stated in the new restrictions.
Im suprised after a 17 day lockdown about the easing of some of these restrictions like travel.
The 17 day lockdown is bound to have an affect but to what extent.
Tieing in this lockdown with Half Term seems an obvious thing to do. Is it long enough though and would we have gone into longer one if Furlough had been extended and co ordinated with the rest of the UK.?
Hopefully someone in the other 2 households realises and sticks to the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
This sort of thing has been my main concern during the firebreak lockdown and why I'm wondering how effective it will prove to be. Firstly, I'm not sure what percentage of people have understood the rules. But perhaps more importantly, I'm certain a significant percentage haven't really cared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
During the first lockdown, I thought most of the public reacted remarkably well to the restrictions. I live in a relatively quiet and secluded street, so you tend to notice visitors arriving. We were something like four or five weeks into the first lockdown before I saw anyone at all visit any of my neighbours. This time around we were just a day and a half into it when one of the neighbours was visited by her son, his partner and their kid. She's a nurse, incidentally. Meanwhile, other neighbours have also had visitors of one sort or another at various points during the last week.
I think ignorance of the rules is a significant factor, but I think lockdown fatigue is far more significant. Way back in March the experts predicted that the government could only expect the public to adhere to social restrictions for a limited amount of time before people started bending or ignoring the rules and I'm certain they were correct.
Its hard to disagree with that Gunman.
What would you like to see happen?
Unbelievable.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...=breaking-news
I think the Cummings saga had an effect too. They didn't even need to sack him, just give him a slap on the wrist but the fact they tried to weasel their way out of it really put people off.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I think this is another problem would her not coming in mean she wouldn't earn at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
It's still very selfish but if it's a difference between paying rent and not paying rent I think a fair few would do the same.
I honestly don't know. The restrictions have become so complicated, the messaging is so blurred and much of the population is simply sick to the back teeth of the whole thing, so I've no idea where we can realistically go from here. The so-called experts don't seem to be able to agree with one other, let alone the members of the public, while the politicians on all sides have made a complete mess of things since day one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
It's a grim situation and it looks set to get significantly worse in the coming months. If the Welsh firebreak lockdown has had a genuinely positive effect I think it would be a huge bonus as I reckon it would give people a bit of renewed optimism and focus minds a bit, but my hopes for that aren't high based on my own experiences.
Drakeford has been saying that early indications are rhat people have been complying with the firebreak as far traffic is concerned. As it turns out, I've had to use my car a fair bit more than I usually would in the past ten days or so and there was less traffic about last week, but I was thinking that could be down to the schools being off. I was stuck in a queue yesterday morning, but the main roads are so narrow up here that it only needs a school bus to stop for a while, as happened yesterday, and you're guaranteed quite a long tail back. That said, the roads do seem to be a bit more busy this week and, based on what I've seen, I'd say the firebreak has had an effect, but maybe not as much as had been hoped for.
Well the winks and nods should be OK but no more touching knees and kicking shoes under the table. Takes a lot of the fun awayQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Its going to be a long Winter for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
One hope is with all the social distancing and restrictions and hopefully an increase in people having the flu jab then the number of flu infections and therefore deaths from flu should be down.
I think a lot of people are also setting into a new normal. Could be a long time before we are back to where we were last year.
Hopefully Trump getting booted out will lift some of the gloom.
I agree with your concern. A week into the lockdown a neighbour of mine took his 12 year old son away to England for a short break. His wife didn't go with them but decided to go and stay with her elderly parents in Caerphilly for a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
As soon as we get the mass home testing going, the hour test, we can begin to live. The vaccine January time for the 2% of the population who need it most will be another massive boost. A new political system in a Spring and we can all go discoQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Only 4 deaths today, and the numbers are usually higher on a Tuesday as they're catching up from the weekend - could that be a tentative sign that the lockdown is starting to work?
It'll be interesting to see the weekly hospital admissions data as I think that should be updated tomorrow, as that was starting to rise rapidly.
I'd say the new cases figure of just over 1,100, while not great, may be a sign of encouragement. As you say, Tuesday isn't normally a good day for the stats, so that figure may be a sign that things are improving, but it'd need two or three days of similar figures before any conclusions could be drawn. Four deaths is good by recent standards, but that figure would be the last one to start showing any firebreak influence and I fear it'll be something of a one off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
No. It's way too early for the deaths figures to be affected by the firebreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The positive test figure was still going up late last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman