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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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yes good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
More great work from the WAG:
From 9th November, groups of four people from different households will be allowed to meet indoors at pubs, cafes and restaurants. Larger groups of people who all live in the same house will be allowed to eat and drink out together. However, Drakeford has confirmed that meeting people from outside a household bubble in a private garden will not be allowed.
Genius. Absolute genius.
I presume that it'll be the same inside a house as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
No idea. It's all about household bubbles and extended household bubbles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Theyve got to prebook a time slot as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
My local has been doing this since reopening.
Bit different to a City Centre on a weekend night though.
Apparently, a pub is a 'regulated setting'.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Right, from where i'm sitting it seems that within a business setting you can meet more people, where it is law to have social distancing and things can be regulated-Am i correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
In the home, where people can do what they like, where there aren't social distancig measures in place, you can't meet up with so may people-Am i still on track?
If i am correct then it seems to make perfect sense to me because some people take the piss and act like ***** with a few drinks inside of them.
More regulated that someones front room and a couple of crates of Bow.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Are you saying it isn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Gosh, I guess I am!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
But you need a number of licences to run a pub and are subject to the various parts of the Licensing Act so I guess they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Ah, right. That's the problem solved, then. I'm amazed they closed any in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
In your home you can only have people in who you have formed a household bubble with which can be 1 other household
For myself it will be my parents. So noone else should come in and vice versa.
In a pub. Ive only just looked but I can meet up with 3 friends if i prebook and social distance.
The only thing im unsure of is I play 5 a side 3 times a week. Even though its less than 15 people I presume I wont be able to play as its not regulated by a committe. Unless the Sports Centre regulate. Soon find out.
I didn’t say it solved the problem. You said they aren’t regulated, I merely pointed out they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
How about their garden? Incidentally, I've visited two pubs since March. It's fair to say the social distancing rules were not being rigorously enforced in either. In fairness, doing so would have been pretty much impossible for the staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
It was said yesterday that places such as leisure centres community centres etc will allow gatherings or five aside as they have someone that can be held responsible. Ie the operator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
There didn't seem to be much in the way of regulation in one of the two beer gardens I visited during the summer. If any. But they have a licence, so all is well in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
This is my experience too.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It’s worth noting that assaults on door staff have been growing with increased restriction on venues.
Incredibly hard to keep on top of.
Drakeford said that he was delaying announcing the rules on hospitality due to the border with England.
The prebooking with ID should be a solution for them.
Cardiff City Centre though.........
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Two more venues in RCT have had their venues closed for breaches of their licence today for failing Covid rules.
Maybe you should have alerted the authorities.
Doesn't it depend on the definition of regulate? If regulate means establishments or places that are allowed to remain open under Covid Restrictions but have a regulatory responsibility to identify individuals for tracking and tracing purposes and exclude individuals unwilling to do that or meet the rules of gatherings then that could help dealing with the dichotomy of indoor allowed/outdoor not?
What I found amazing at the first I visited was that they had a large table set up for around 16 people. This was when you still had to be outside and pre-book and all that stuff. And when the people who had booked this large table started arriving, social distancing was absolute zero amongst them - all blokes, all in their forties and fifties by the look of them, big bear hugs, handshakes, the works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Then we are fighting a losing battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
That said there are 3 or 4 licensing officers covering all Cardiff which will also cover taxi's food places etc. They have no chance.
I thought the authorities were already on high alert?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Not my style. Personally, I think the staff in these places have an almost impossible task in the current climate. I've felt quite comfortable on the small handful of occasions that I've been out to pubs or restaurants since this thing started, but notion that social distancing is strictly followed in pubs and is somehow being regulated doesn't tally with my experiences.
This is why trusting the people doesnt work.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Im suprised the pub in question hasnt been closed down. In RCT pubs are inspected regularly been closures and improvement notices and warnings dished out.
How this pub allowed this I dont know.
Depends on how many people are in the garden and how the interact i suppose, and that's the problem, isn't it? And it's going to end up in the house, especially this time of year. As for the pubs, that's a matter for the landlord i suppose. They must have rules on social distancing and capacity, if they're not prepared to carry them out then that's not the governments fault. By that reckoning shops would have to close as it's impossible to completely social distance when overtaking the dickhead family who like to fill the aisle with their super sized backsides.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Exactly - My football club (Treforest) have had a few visits and made to make greater space savings to stop too many people being close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Suppose the police will say staffing and cuts mean they can't get everywhere.
I guess I'm particularly sore about this particular piece of news due to my sister-in-law's situation. I know the government has a thankless task in some respects, but some of these restrictions really do seem petty and unreasonable to me, and I also think they make little sense in reality. Drakeford and Co are basically saying that people can't be trusted to behave in their own gardens but they can be trusted in a pub because there are bar staff present. Bit daft if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I’m with you. Our family can form a bubble. My wife wants it to be with her mother but so does her sister.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
They need to go to the pub to see each other but can’t meet up for a cup of tea in her house.
I understand your situation, it doesn't seem fair. From my point of view i know of a few people who have had groups in their house and in the garden during the warmer months, to even that up, i know even more people who haven't. I suppose the government believes that it has a chance with businesses that aren't going to follow the rules, it has zero chance when dealing with plebs, it sadly means that the large majority of sensible caring people are penalised because of ****wits who possess zero respect for others.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
My sister-in-law is terminally ill. She can't go to pubs or cafes even if she wanted to. They've got a nice garden with a decent gazebo-type thing, so she could sit out there with a couple of friends if the weather was good enough. That's not allowed, though. She'd have to go to the pub is she wanted to socialise at all, because they've got bar staff there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
The thing that gets me is the people who would take the piss if you were allowed to see friends in your garden will take the piss anyway, regardless of any rules. You know that, I know that and Drakeford knows that. The only people who will be genuinely penalised by this restriction are those who actually follow the rules. That's why it makes no sense to me.
A terrible situation. Drakeford can't form policy based on a minority of arseholes though. Could you imagine him saying 'Do what you like, because some people are quite likely to **** things up for others' This board would go into meltdown, enough people hate him already based on little in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
On this occasion he has. He's formed a policy based on the small minority who would take the piss if people were allowed to meet friends in their gardens, and the likelihood is those people will ignore the rules and do what they like anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I wonder if the people who do break the rules, meet in big groups, bear hugs etc, does karma ever catch up with them? Any getting seriously ill from Covid? Didn’t someone post on here the other week (whisperer?) that a few of his mates had all got seriously ill and one died? Not judging that they broke the rules, don’t know if they did or didn’t but like the people household mixing getting ill in the valleys, surely they will start to get the message at some point, usually like all things, when the shit hits the fan.
Amazed at this, but it’s so young people can socialise for their mental well being isn’t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Sorry to hear that. Thats really sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
So he should only form policy if the majority are breaking the rules :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
If you want my opinion, he shouldn't be forming any policies at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto