Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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delmbox
Science doesn't need to reconstruct the connections in the exact same way, it's found a different way of doing it. Not perfect yet, but as you said yourself - we went to the moon on a calculator only 52 years ago so replacement eyes will probably be common in another 52 years
https://theconversation.com/artifici...eyes-see-79758
Is going to the moon on a calculator like Helen Of Troy launching a thousand ships with her face?:wink:
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
Assuming future success isn't acheivement. And science is a billion miles from producing DNA, yet you still want there to be no programmer for the incredibly mind blowing complexity within DNA?
But there are things that science (if we must use the word) can produce now that it couldn't in the past, for example cells. So this doesn't seem like a convincing argument.
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
Assuming future success isn't acheivement. And science is a billion miles from producing DNA, yet you still want there to be no programmer for the incredibly mind blowing complexity within DNA?
Grasping a bit here aren't you? Where did I say that, or anything close to it?
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
Assuming future success isn't acheivement. And science is a billion miles from producing DNA, yet you still want there to be no programmer for the incredibly mind blowing complexity within DNA?
There being a "programmer" raises a lot more questions than it answers. If you don't understand the processes by which simple naturally occurring chemical reactions have turned into increasingly complex life forms over a huge amount of time then thats fine, but adding an even more complex being at the start of it all is not a very satisfying explanation is it? where did that programmer come from? did they evolve from simpler beings? back to single celled pre-god creatures? or did they just pop into existence as a fully formed, all powerful deity?
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
[QUOTE=truthpaste;5239300]I see, so it's us that leave our brain at the door? Yet it's you who:
1. Still can't distinguish religion from repentance and knowing Christ as Lord.
I have not mentioned 'repentance and knowing Christ as Lord' so I hardly had to distinguish between those concepts and religion. Your comment is highly illogical and rather ridiculous.
2. Thinks all life, including the complex programmes coded into DNA arose by accident. You have about 10 trillion cells in your body, so if you stretched the DNA in all the cells out, end to end, they'd stretch to 744 million miles.
both your religion and your God are mythical.
I didn't actually say that things arose by accident but let's park that for now. Your argument seems to be that because something is complex it has to have been designed by a deity. Very poor intellectal argument, it has to be said.
3. Ignores the complexity of life, the human eye is about an inch across has 2 million working parts, and more than 1 million nerve fibers connected to the brain - and 21st Century SCIENCE is NOT able to reconstruct those connections.
In this thread I have referred to scientific knowledge that we have these days which teach us the most amazing and complex things about life around us (and, ironically, things that the people in the Middle East had no understanding of thousands of years ago). You really don't need to assign comments to me that I didn't make. And your comment about '21st Century SCIENCE' not being able to create things is strange on several levels. It's not science that creates things in the first place. Science (i.e. knowledge that we obtain of the natural world) is what just allowed you to mention some facts about the complexity of the human eye and what assists eye surgeons in carrying out operations -etc so your arguments are a combination of false assumptions, twisted logic and assigning comments to me that I didn't say.
Still, you believe in that talking snake, old fruit.
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
I see, so it's us that leave our brain at the door? Yet it's you who:
1. Still can't distinguish religion from repentance and knowing Christ as Lord.
2. Thinks all life, including the complex programmes coded into DNA arose by accident. You have about 10 trillion cells in your body, so if you stretched the DNA in all the cells out, end to end, they'd stretch to 744 million miles.
3. Ignores the complexity of life, the human eye is about an inch across has 2 million working parts, and more than 1 million nerve fibers connected to the brain - and 21st Century SCIENCE is NOT able to reconstruct those connections.
An accident!!! So who is ACTUALLY leaving their brain at the door? :sherlock:
All the wonderful things in the world yet this "loving" God gives kids cancer. What an absolute tool he must be. I forgot, all the bad things are Satan's fault. Tosh
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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UNDERHILL1927
All the wonderful things in the world yet this "loving" God gives kids cancer. What an absolute tool he must be. I forgot, all the bad things are Satan's fault. Tosh
Some people might think that mutating genes that lead to cancer are of a complex nature and only something only a deity could design.....
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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Taunton Blue Genie
Some people might think that mutating genes that lead to cancer are of a complex nature and only something only a deity could design.....
Indeed....
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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Taunton Blue Genie
Some people might think that mutating genes that lead to cancer are of a complex nature and only something only a deity could design.....
Cells can't mutate by accident, apparently.
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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Taunton Blue Genie
Cells can't mutate by accident, apparently.
Really!!...As you are so evidence based perhaps you would elaborate.
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
I don't understand why parents of kids who die so young or are born severely life limited carry on believing in God ?
I mean surely they are believing in someone who either doesn't do anything about such awful things .......so therefore is not everywhere for everyone all the time ...a fundamental belief in Christianity......or if he is everywhere all the time and all powerful then either he's a nasty git giving kids terminal illness or he's not worthy of all the attention as he's crap at his job
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't understand why parents of kids who die so young or are born severely life limited carry on believing in God ?
I mean surely they are believing in someone who either doesn't do anything about such awful things .......so therefore is not everywhere for everyone all the time ...a fundamental belief in Christianity......or if he is everywhere all the time and all powerful then either he's a nasty git giving kids terminal illness or he's not worthy of all the attention as he's crap at his job
I have a severely disabled daughter and encounter this with people I know in a similar situation.
They choose to stick with their god as it gives them peace of mind. They see their child as a gift and for god to choose them as parents of this child is some of an honour and a privilege.
Cant see it myself.
All I see is continuous stressful, emotionally and physically challenging, bloody hard work. Yes its rewarding, but if any god wants to tell me that my daughters 1 in 25000 chromosome deletion is an honour and a privilege they can fck right off.
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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Taunton Blue Genie
Some people might think that mutating genes that lead to cancer are of a complex nature and only something only a deity could design.....
Yet it's an inconsistent argument to wheel out an Almighty being when they all want to blame someone for mutations, disease, disasters etc etc, while the rest of the time God doesn't even exist in their economy?
Rather than them make childlike assumptions that God can't exist because bad things happen, why won't they do the scientific thing and look at the root of why and when those things started to happen?
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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The Bloop
I have a severely disabled daughter and encounter this with people I know in a similar situation.
They choose to stick with their god as it gives them peace of mind. They see their child as a gift and for god to choose them as parents of this child is some of an honour and a privilege.
Cant see it myself.
All I see is continuous stressful, emotionally and physically challenging, bloody hard work. Yes its rewarding, but if any god wants to tell me that my daughters 1 in 25000 chromosome deletion is an honour and a privilege they can fck right off.
Amen to that
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
Yet it's an inconsistent argument to wheel out an Almighty being when they all want to blame someone for mutations, disease, disasters etc etc, while the rest of the time God doesn't even exist in their economy?
Rather than them make childlike assumptions that God can't exist because bad things happen, why won't they do the scientific thing and look at the root of why and when those things started to happen?
Childlike : randomly occurring cell mutations through a number of well understood mechanisms will occasionally result in a cancerous cell that may begin to replicate itself uncontrollably. The body can usually surpress these mutations but occasionally they become embedded so that they require medical or surgical treatment.
Not Childlike : The big magic man in the sky puts cancers in us because there people who don't believe he exists and that makes him sad. But not sad enough to provide any actual evidence of his existence.
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
Yet it's an inconsistent argument to wheel out an Almighty being when they all want to blame someone for mutations, disease, disasters etc etc, while the rest of the time God doesn't even exist in their economy?
Rather than them make childlike assumptions that God can't exist because bad things happen, why won't they do the scientific thing and look at the root of why and when those things started to happen?
But god is all powerful and omnipresent according to Christians
So either he is omnipresent and all powerful but let's poor little kids die young from awful diseases ......so he's a right git as he could stop this
Or he's not all powerful and he isn't omnipresent and doesn't actually exist
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SLUDGE FACTORY
But god is all powerful and omnipresent according to Christians
So either he is omnipresent and all powerful but let's poor little kids die young from awful diseases ......so he's a right git as he could stop this
Or he's not all powerful and he isn't omnipresent and doesn't actually exist
Ok, at last you are engaging the issue head on.
Yes the God that you propose could stop whatever He chose to, however God has many attributes, and He cannot switch them on and off just to accommodate us. That's called making a god in our image (or to our requirements).
Let's just look at 2 of his attributes. God is Love, He is also Just.
So God is love he wants to connect with us, however as you know from your dealings with people, love MUST include choice, including the choice to walk away and reject someone. If God had programmed us to simply obey his every whim, that would not be love, that would just make us drones.
Mankind made his choice and rebelled against God - God warned man of the consequences (death, disease, disaster) yet like most people on this board, man decided he knew better and went his own way. Now man is unhappy with the result of his choice; and ALSO rejects God's rescue plan found in the person of Jesus, deciding just to have 'Jesus' as his favourite swear word instead!
Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
Ok, at last you are engaging the issue head on.
Yes the God that you propose could stop whatever He chose to, however God has many attributes, and He cannot switch them on and off just to accommodate us. That's called making a god in our image (or to our requirements).
Let's just look at 2 of his attributes. God is Love, He is also Just.
So God is love he wants to connect with us, however as you know from your dealings with people, love MUST include choice, including the choice to walk away and reject someone. If God had programmed us to simply obey his every whim, that would not be love, that would just make us drones.
Mankind made his choice and rebelled against God - God warned man of the consequences (death, disease, disaster) yet like most people on this board, man decided he knew better and went his own way. Now man is unhappy with the result of his choice; and ALSO rejects God's rescue plan found in the person of Jesus, deciding just to have 'Jesus' as his favourite swear word instead!
Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"
But I didn't suggest that God is all powerful and always around ......believers did
What you are doing is letting God off for not saving children with Cancer
Surely if he's what it says in your holy book .......and what the clergy tell us ......all powerful and omni present .....then either he's not doing what his followers claim he can and that's mean .......or he doesn't exist in the first place
Re: Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious
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truthpaste
Ok, at last you are engaging the issue head on.
Yes the God that you propose could stop whatever He chose to, however God has many attributes, and He cannot switch them on and off just to accommodate us. That's called making a god in our image (or to our requirements).
Let's just look at 2 of his attributes. God is Love, He is also Just.
So God is love he wants to connect with us, however as you know from your dealings with people, love MUST include choice, including the choice to walk away and reject someone. If God had programmed us to simply obey his every whim, that would not be love, that would just make us drones.
Mankind made his choice and rebelled against God - God warned man of the consequences (death, disease, disaster) yet like most people on this board, man decided he knew better and went his own way. Now man is unhappy with the result of his choice; and ALSO rejects God's rescue plan found in the person of Jesus, deciding just to have 'Jesus' as his favourite swear word instead!
Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"
So because man however long ago rejected god then kids today are not saved from cancer or abuse because God them that this was what was going to happen ?
Kids in 2021 are punished for the sin of their ancestors turning their back on God?
I think that's mean don't you ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
So because man however long ago rejected god then kids today are not saved from cancer or abuse because God them that this was what was going to happen ?
Kids in 2021 are punished for the sin of their ancestors turning their back on God?
I think that's mean don't you ?
He'll just quote some loophole from a book that will make God look like he's all love. Pointless