FT: BURNLEY 5 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

In case anyone is wondering, we've had a goal difference of -5 after our first two games on 4 occasions so far. The last time was August 1989, when we lost 2-0 at home to Bolton and 3-0 at Tranmere. We've never had a worse goal difference than -5 after 2 games.

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Why do you do this??
Inviting the inevitable

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Originally Posted by City123

No idea how he played, but what is the point in leaving Ramsey on until the 90 considering his age/injury history etc? More poor management.

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None whatsoever, if they’d have taken him off after an hour he would have been a 6 out 10, as it is, he was 4 and, to be honest, it all got a bit embarrassing in the end.

So Ramseys injured , Ralls injured. Rinomhota to face the Jacks and a recall for Wintle?

We’ve got a team of gutless players. When the going gets tough, they get going. Bulut has to take a lot of flak for setting the team in a way that’s so easy to play through. We were an absolute shambles after the second goal. Playing well for the first 30 minutes isn’t good enough to excuse what was an absolute car crash defensively, again. For someone who is very negative, we have been awful at the back for Bulut’s entire time here.

You can forget Ramsey. He wont play more than 10 matches this season if that

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Originally Posted by Hilts

So Ramseys injured , Ralls injured. Rinomhota to face the Jacks and a recall for Wintle?

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Please, don't make me feel more depressed than I already feel.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We’ve got a team of gutless players. When the going gets tough, they get going. Bulut has to take a lot of flak for setting the team in a way that’s so easy to play through. We were an absolute shambles after the second goal. Playing well for the first 30 minutes isn’t good enough to excuse what was an absolute car crash defensively, again. For someone who is very negative, we have been awful at the back for Bulut’s entire time here.

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Spot on. Particularly liked the "Gutless Players" observation. Those ****ers are getting off too lightly in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Sixteen goals conceded in our last four league games and were selling our best defender who has barely played in any of them :shrug:

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Best defender, best player.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

We’ve got a team of gutless players. When the going gets tough, they get going. Bulut has to take a lot of flak for setting the team in a way that’s so easy to play through. We were an absolute shambles after the second goal. Playing well for the first 30 minutes isn’t good enough to excuse what was an absolute car crash defensively, again. For someone who is very negative, we have been awful at the back for Bulut’s entire time here.

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Not sure our players are intrinsically 'gutless'. I think with a McCarthy or Warnock on the touchline they'd be far from that. Bulut seems like the music teacher, the only one you weren't afraid of. But I also think the players haven't bought in Bulut's style of play - I was told this indirectly in the summer.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

So Ramseys injured , Ralls injured. Rinomhota to face the Jacks and a recall for Wintle?

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siopis and Robertson behind Colwill

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Originally Posted by Rjk

siopis and Robertson behind Colwill

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I think it will Siopis Robertson and Rino. Unless one of Ralls and Ramsey is fit.

The worrying thing is Burnley didn't play that well, not that they needed to.

It seems to me that the recent intake of strikers are muscle-bound lumps that don't show any kind of athleticism. It is often said that if a team of younger players take the kind of thumping we had today then it will shatter their confidence. Well I don't see that this kind of defeat does the senior players much good. Too many players are complacent in that they seem to think no matter how bad the result they will still be selected for the next game. A swift wholesale change to the starting lineup is what is needed. Tactics need to change but I cannot see that happening with the present regime. I rarely post anything that is critical of the club but today was just too much to stomach.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

I think it will Siopis Robertson and Rino. Unless one of Ralls and Ramsey is fit.

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It might turn out to be a blessing in disguise that Ralls and Ramsey are not fit.
Start with Robertson, Colwill, and Siopis against Swansea.

At the risk of inviting a pile on, although that was a terrible result it was also a bit of a freak scoreline. These stats are not normal for a 5-0 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...14t#MatchStats

I think there's a team in there and we'll get a lot better (yes even under Bulut) but August will be difficult

Save me Jimmy

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

battered 5-0

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Plenty knew this was likely earlier this week I don’t know why people are so surprised

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Originally Posted by delmbox

At the risk of inviting a pile on, although that was a terrible result it was also a bit of a freak scoreline. These stats are not normal for a 5-0 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...14t#MatchStats

I think there's a team in there and we'll get a lot better (yes even under Bulut) but August will be difficult

Save me Jimmy

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First half hour we were very good, best we've played in a long time and, miracle of miracles, we actually created opportunities from open play and were the better side.

Once Ralls went off we lost our bite in midfield and second half became a bit of a shambles.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Not sure our players are intrinsically 'gutless'. I think with a McCarthy or Warnock on the touchline they'd be far from that. Bulut seems like the music teacher, the only one you weren't afraid of. But I also think the players haven't bought in Bulut's style of play - I was told this indirectly in the summer.

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I've thought that for a very long time. It's time Bulut and his style did one, and we replace him with someone half decent. Who though...??

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Originally Posted by delmbox

At the risk of inviting a pile on, although that was a terrible result it was also a bit of a freak scoreline. These stats are not normal for a 5-0 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...14t#MatchStats

I think there's a team in there and we'll get a lot better (yes even under Bulut) but August will be difficult

Save me Jimmy

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Weird stats for a 5 0. Horvarth has got to be replaced and the defence needs reorganising.

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Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad

Weird stats for a 5 0. Horvarth has got to be replaced and the defence needs reorganising.

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Alnwick always seemed better?

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Not sure our players are intrinsically 'gutless'. I think with a McCarthy or Warnock on the touchline they'd be far from that. Bulut seems like the music teacher, the only one you weren't afraid of. But I also think the players haven't bought in Bulut's style of play - I was told this indirectly in the summer.

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The body language is awful. The minute we concede, they completely quit. Heads go down and they stop. I wouldn’t buy into it either though. It’s neither one thing or the other.

Something is fundamentally wrong at the football club.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

The body language is awful. The minute we concede, they completely quit. Heads go down and they stop. I wouldn’t buy into it either though. It’s neither one thing or the other.

Something is fundamentally wrong at the football club.

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Heads didn’t go down after the comical first goal, in fact they took the game to Burnley and were the better side in the first half. It was after conceding the 3rd that everything seemed to fall apart.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Not sure our players are intrinsically 'gutless'. I think with a McCarthy or Warnock on the touchline they'd be far from that. Bulut seems like the music teacher, the only one you weren't afraid of. But I also think the players haven't bought in Bulut's style of play - I was told this indirectly in the summer.

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I wouldn't see Bulut and style in the same sentence. The guy is a total failure and the sooner he's gone the better. I'd rather red shirts than this plonker in charge.

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

Heads didn’t go down after the comical first goal, in fact they took the game to Burnley and were the better side in the first half. It was after conceding the 3rd that everything seemed to fall apart.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

Heads didn’t go down after the comical first goal, in fact they took the game to Burnley and were the better side in the first half. It was after conceding the 3rd that everything seemed to fall apart.

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I get that, if we could have scored first in both of our league games this season, things might have turned out differently. Most have been after a striker to put the ball in the net and, it seems at least, like we are trying to be a bit more creative.

However, we look a complete shambles at the back. As last season went on, we looked worse and worse in defence. Bulut has brought in an attacking coach, but it looks like we need someone who can organise things at the back.