20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by dml1954

That is your perception of the data but unfortunately not mine. The research used to back up their case was provided by the WAG themselves in conjunction with people they paid to do it. Hardly reliable. There are a range of reasons why people are killed on the roads and speed is only one of them. The logical conclusion to what the WAG is doing is that they will eventually ban all cars from the roads because that would save more deaths/injuries than allowing 20mph. If course, they would never do that, would they, because they would lose millions in revenue that they already squeeze out of cash strapped motorists.

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There is a plethora of data and academic research widely available on the internet, or I suspect at your local library which indicates that being hit at 30mph is far more detrimental to the human body and life than at 20mph. It's not a perception, it's reading something and having the cognitive ability to understand that it is right.

Obviously a tonne plus vehicle hitting someone at a higher speed will do more damage than a vehicle moving slower.

Clearly no amount of evidence or data would swerve your opinion though, so it's irrelevant as you only want to focus on the small inconvenience to your day to day life.

I like going slow it feels calmer and annoys the right sort of people - those who like going fast

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I drove from Birchgrove up to Cefn onn park. Caerphilly road is 20 mph, as is a section of Thornhill rd, which goes up to 30 just before the crematorium. The road through Thornhill,past Sainsbury's and on to the park was 20. I reckon that it put 2 minutes on my journey time.

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That road by the crematorium does drop to 20mph far too soon but it was like that before the default speed limit change so would suggest it needs to be taken up with Cardiff council as to why they did this

I very very rarely post here, but this thread is absolutely hilarious.

The level of overreaction is off the scale from some of you! We're talking about maybe a minute in extra journey times, basically FA in the grand scheme of things.

There was a Walescast episode a few weeks ago with Lee Waters talking about this - suggest you listen, as he explains things quite well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0...n=share-mobile

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I don't think it will be a disaster, where's the disaster so far? a small amount of mild inconvenience is surely worth saving several lives?

to think of it another way, if there was a magic button you could press to make your commute 2 minutes shorter every day, but if you pressed it 10 random people in Wales would die would you press the button?

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There is no way you believe that nonsense you're just on a wind-up, 20 minutes and the same number will die anyway it''s made up nonsense.

A show of power too far, and will get the reaction it deserves and get Drippy the push, so at least it's done some good :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

The chance of someone being killed being hit by a car driving 30mph is significantly higher than at 20mph. It's as simple as that. If it slows people's days down a bit even to prevent 1 death, it is worth the reduction in speed limits.

Annoying and irritating behind the wheel, absolutely. Ultimately a minor inconvenience to make roads safer ? Also absolutely.

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So you want motorways to drop to 20?

There is significantly more chance of people dying in accidents at 70mph than thirty?

How about dropping the alcohol in beer from 4% to 1%, so fewer people get pissed and die in accidents?

It's all made-up nonsense to show they can do what they like and some people will believe whatever they say.

Unbelievably they are correct some people do.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

So you want motorways to drop to 20?

There is significantly more chance of people dying in accidents at 70mph than thirty?

How about dropping the alcohol in beer from 4% to 1%, so fewer people get pissed and die in accidents?

It's all made-up nonsense to show they can do what they like and some thickos will believe whatever they say.

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There are no Pedestrians on motorways. So they are not going to get hit are they?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

all the other places that have introduced this sensible measure - are they all diktats by power mad megalomaniacs as well?

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You spelt dickheads wrong, and yes they are.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

There are no Pedestrians on motorways. So they are not going to get hit are they?

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You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

It's nothing to do with saving the most lives from driving incidents otherwise motorways would have been a priority. If he gets away with this guess what comes next????????

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

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You were replying to a post about someone being hit by a car then went in to your usual why not make motorways 20 rant again.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Then get out on the streets, get organised and make your voice heard. Protest! You wont do anything, because the reality is that it isn't that inconvenient for you, it doesn't make that much difference to your life or anyone elses for that matter, except maybe those involved in a collision with a vehicle.

You have every right to be angry or disagree with the policy, but you and the rest will just sit on a football messageboard moaning and groaning. It's really funny watching the old Tories melting down. Keep up the good work :thumbup:

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Nothing to do with politics, there are plenty of Labour voters on here not happy about this waste of money, Sludge and Eric as as red as they come, but are honest and not afraid to criticise stupid policies that waste money for no real reason other than gimmicky shows of power.

I think it comes down more to busy people who drive a lot of miles and people who don't, but even then why try and justify a waste of public money on a whim?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

You were replying to a post about someone being hit by a car then went in to your usual why not make motorways 20 rant again.

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I was replying to a daft response about less people dying being hit at 20 mph than 30mph, and correctly responded getting hit at 70 is worse whether your in a car driving or getting out to fix a puncture.

So by that logic 70mph is more dangerous and should be a priority, but everyone defending is trying to duck that because it doesn't fit the narrative and they know what I'm saying is right, and there is no logical real answer.

They are just trying to defend it for political point scoring, I'm not and if Andrew RT or Sunak, or any independent, or any other party had made the policy I would say he's an idiot who should be forced to resign and the speed limit changed back.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

It's nothing to do with saving the most lives from driving incidents otherwise motorways would have been a priority. If he gets away with this guess what comes next????????

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in 2022 there were 58 people killed or seriously injured on motorways with 70mph speed limits in Wales, and on 30mph roads there were 421 people killed or seriously injured

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

You've never seen an accident resulting in death on the motorway when two cars hit each other traveling three and a half times faster than 20mph have you?

I've seen probably fifty serious accidents that would have resulted in death on the motorway, none in a 30mph zone.

It's nothing to do with saving the most lives from driving incidents otherwise motorways would have been a priority. If he gets away with this guess what comes next????????

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Christ you are dense.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I drove from Birchgrove up to Cefn onn park. Caerphilly road is 20 mph, as is a section of Thornhill rd, which goes up to 30 just before the crematorium. The road through Thornhill,past Sainsbury's and on to the park was 20. I reckon that it put 2 minutes on my journey time.

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More than that and for no valid reason, why not 5mph it would be safer again? Why if you want a safer world why not 5mph it's definitely safer?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

in 2022 there were 58 people killed or seriously injured on motorways with 70mph speed limits in Wales, and on 30mph roads there were 421 people killed or seriously injured

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I doubt that's true, and even if so how many miles of 70mph motorway are there and how many are there of 30mph?

How many people died on each not had an accident, you're trying to change the narrative.

How many on 70mph roads not only motorways?

You've probably thrown in the A roads and stuff with the 30mph roads.

If not you are trying to say it's safer to be hit at 70mph that 30mph.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

Christ you are dense.

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Yep no answer, you're a dope if you believe nonsense.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I doubt that's true, and even if so how many miles of 70mph motorway are there and how many are there of 30mph?

How many people died on each not had an accident, you're trying to change the narrative.

How many on 70mph roads not only motorways?

You've probably thrown in the A roads and stuff with the 30mph roads.

If not you are trying to say it's safer to be hit at 70mph that 30mph.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I doubt that's true, and even if so how many miles of 70mph motorway are there and how many are there of 30mph?

How many people died on each not had an accident, you're trying to change the narrative.

How many on 70mph roads not only motorways?

You've probably thrown in the A roads and stuff with the 30mph roads.

If not you are trying to say it's safer to be hit at 70mph that 30mph.

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But that wasn't the point of the post outlining the difference between 30 and 20mph, bringing 70mph into the equation is an arbitrary point as nowhere in this country (to my knowledge) can you drive 70mph on a residential road. It's restricted to areas specifically designed for cars to go faster, if anything, these roads should be faster, as there aren't any pedestrians.

It's not hard to wrap your head around. Being hit at 30 is more dangerous than 20 to a pedestrian or cyclist.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

More than that and for no valid reason, why not 5mph it would be safer again? Why if you want a safer world why not 5mph it's definitely safer?

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Because it's about balance? It's such a poor argument that I've seen others make as well.

And then in your other posts you accuse people of trying to change the narrative, when that's exactly what you've done several times.

If it's not political, why have you brought up other, completely unrelated, policy issues you don't agree with as part of your argument?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

No idea. We live in Wales and the UK, so only interested in those areas. 426000 people disagree with you. 2700 agree with you.

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Two million+ people haven’t signed any petition because it most probably doesn't bother them too much because they’ve got a lot of other things that are more important to them going on in their life.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

There are no Pedestrians on motorways. So they are not going to get hit are they?

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Amazingly one pedestrian was killed on a motorway in Wales in 2022.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Amazingly one pedestrian was killed on a motorway in Wales in 2022.

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But how fast was he going:shrug:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

But how fast was he going:shrug:

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I've been thinking of you and this speed limit. What with you being self employed and that. You must have lost a fair few quid already, probably not worth you going out to work and that, unless you leave an hour early and an hour later. Keep us informed splotty, we can always have a whip round for you mate.Christmas won't be long.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I've been thinking of you and this speed limit. What with you being self employed and that. You must have lost a fair few quid already, probably not worth you going out to work and that, unless you leave an hour early and an hour later. Keep us informed splotty, we can always have a whip round for you mate.Christmas won't be long.

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I’ve cut down the days now, I leave on Sunday for a Wednesday start, finish about one on Thursday, get home around about Saturday dinner time.....mind you this is for a job near Victoria Park, any further away, say, Fairwater or Ely and board & lodge would obviously kick in. I’m actually driving to work at the moment, just hit The Royal Oak after driving all last night & today, that bloody WAG won’t capture me. Thanks for your sincere concern:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’ve cut down the days now, I leave on Sunday for a Wednesday start, finish about one on Thursday, get home around about Saturday dinner time.....mind you this is for a job near Victoria Park, any further away, say, Fairwater or Ely and board & lodge would obviously kick in. I’m actually driving to work at the moment, just hit The Royal Oak after driving all last night & today, that bloody WAG won’t capture me. Thanks for your sincere concern:thumbup:

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:hehe: Digs in Fairwater :hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I'd stick with the 20 if Drippy retired instead, but signed again.

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In other words you signed at least twice,Multiple email address's make a mockery of on line polls/petitions.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Amazingly one pedestrian was killed on a motorway in Wales in 2022.

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How many wildlife and domestic animals though.1000s.A small thing but a life saved.A squrriel was crossing the road,the woman in front of me was doing 20.At 30 it would have been killed.Any other true story.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

:hehe: Digs in Fairwater :hehe:

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Just by Summers Funeral Home now, the white washed walls. All closed up, no custom now the roads are safer:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by dandywarhol

How many wildlife and domestic animals though.1000s.A small thing but a life saved.A squrriel was crossing the road,the woman in front of me was doing 20.At 30 it would have been killed.Any other true story.

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Bet he went nuts though.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I doubt that's true, and even if so how many miles of 70mph motorway are there and how many are there of 30mph?

How many people died on each not had an accident, you're trying to change the narrative.

How many on 70mph roads not only motorways?

You've probably thrown in the A roads and stuff with the 30mph roads.

If not you are trying to say it's safer to be hit at 70mph that 30mph.

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It's strange how you and other posters are so happy to just say that any data you don't agree with is untrue. It's all published and completely open to anyone who would want to challenge it (unlike the stats of blokes on Reddit or 'that guy' everyone ignores in the local pub) . You can find the 2022 figures here :https://www.gov.wales/police-recorde...ions-2022-html

I'm sure you'll just dismiss it (unlike that one post from a guy in Poland who you jumped on despite him actually saying that lowering speed limits only worked once speeding idiots were also forced to slow down by humps) but it includes data about your great theory that injured and killed pedestrians are at fault because you have never been hit by a car. I won't spoil it for you but it might just be time to finally give up on that dream of being a data scientist sorry.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Two million+ people haven’t signed any petition because it most probably doesn't bother them too much because they’ve got a lot of other things that are more important to them going on in their life.

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only 1.1million voted in the last election in wales and that's after they got posted a polling card and a given a local place to vote, so just under 429,000 people actively looking for a petition on the internet because they don't agree is very different to concluding 2m+ do agree

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Originally Posted by scooter

only 1.1million voted in the last election in wales and that's after they got posted a polling card and a given a local place to vote, so just under 429,000 people actively looking for a petition on the internet because they don't agree is very different to concluding 2m+ do agree

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Are you saying it's less effort to sign an online petition than go out and vote? And what evidence do you have to support that people actively looked for the petition, rather than their friends/family sending them a link?

I'm not saying either are particularly difficult, but it's quite clearly easier to sign an online petition.

I'd also be interested in seeing how many of the 429,000 voted in the last Senedd election (or indeed, how many would be eligible to vote!)

[QUOTE=FungoFurore;5457112]Are you saying it's less effort to sign an online petition than go out and vote? And what evidence do you have to support that people actively looked for the petition, rather than their friends/family sending them a link?

I'm not saying either are particularly difficult, but it's quite clearly easier to sign an online petition.

I'd also be interested in seeing how many of the 429,000 voted in the last Senedd election (or indeed, how many would be eligible to vote!)[/QUOT



20mph petition: 'No evidence of duplication or tampering', Senedd say

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-...enedd-petition

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Originally Posted by scooter

only 1.1million voted in the last election in wales and that's after they got posted a polling card and a given a local place to vote, so just under 429,000 people actively looking for a petition on the internet because they don't agree is very different to concluding 2m+ do agree

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Who said 2million+ agree? I said 2million+ haven't signed any petition because they’re aren’t that bothered. I think you’ve made it up that I said 2million+ agree:sherlock:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

So you want motorways to drop to 20?

There is significantly more chance of people dying in accidents at 70mph than thirty?

How about dropping the alcohol in beer from 4% to 1%, so fewer people get pissed and die in accidents?

It's all made-up nonsense to show they can do what they like and some people will believe whatever they say.

Unbelievably they are correct some people do.

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And the trains, don’t forget the trains

I blame locking down too long for all of it

My first encounter today. Entering Monmouth on the Hereford Road, a handful of Bungalows & it’s now 20mph. I agree a mile further on where the school is but where the 20mph sign is is going to catch out most motorists.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

My first encounter today. Entering Monmouth on the Hereford Road, a handful of Bungalows & it’s now 20mph. I agree a mile further on where the school is but where the 20mph sign is is going to catch out most motorists.

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Yet in Glyncoch, Pontypridd, there's a primary school on a main road where the limit is 40mph.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I’ve cut down the days now, I leave on Sunday for a Wednesday start, finish about one on Thursday, get home around about Saturday dinner time.....mind you this is for a job near Victoria Park, any further away, say, Fairwater or Ely and board & lodge would obviously kick in. I’m actually driving to work at the moment, just hit The Royal Oak after driving all last night & today, that bloody WAG won’t capture me. Thanks for your sincere concern:thumbup:

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Wednesday start and finish at one on Thursday
Not much has changed then 😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by olderblue

Wednesday start and finish at one on Thursday
Not much has changed then ������

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I hate missing dinner time on a Thursday though Ian:furious: