Goats has been on record to say he literally lives next door to 8 doctors and knows a few more so I wouldn't diss him just yet.Quote:
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Goats has been on record to say he literally lives next door to 8 doctors and knows a few more so I wouldn't diss him just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
Any hope is great news .Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
What does that mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Even though Cardiff City are middling in the Championship I have a fantastic hope that they will go up as Champions.
Phew. I had my doubts but that's great news!
That’s right but this wasn’t them.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Down under a thousand in Wales today - surprised by the lower Cwm Taf Morgannwg figure, I wonder if that's got anything to do with the testing situation in Merthyr?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Or maybe its just because its Sunday and the usual weekend blip.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
the daily figure is too erratic to read much into it, the graphs are more useful, it looks as though we may have plateaued, or be coming down very graduallyAttachment 4167Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
What you say is true for deaths figures, but the day of the week it is doesn’t seem to be that much of a factor when it comes to new cases.
Oxford vaccine 70% effective. It uses more traditional technology bit like the flu vaccine and with similar effectiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
So here is a vaccine that is much easier to store and administer but 25% less effective, and it's the one UK has purchased 100m doses of.
Maybe the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will be given to the elderly and the Oxford rolled out to the general population.
All good news and the sooner its available the better
This is what my “mate” told me last week, he said about 90% though, he must have meant the people they gave half a dose, then another full dose too.....still, good news I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55040635Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Interesting line about how the effectiveness rose to 80 per cent in people given an initial half dose and then a full dose.
From what I understand, this is a field where 50 per cent effectiveness is considered good, so I'm not sure I buy that bit about 70 per cent being a "disappointment" and I don't get how thirty cases of Covid among those who were given the vaccine and 101 in those given a dummy works out at 70 per cent protection when 20,000 people were involved in the testing.
The maths do make sense. 101 of 10,000 got Covid when given a placebo. In those given the vaccine only 30 got it, which is 70% less than the placebo group, so it's 70% effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Interesting point about the group given a half dose first. No doubt this will be investigated further.
Yes particularly as we have so many doses. I guess even 70 is considered good when our regular flu vaccine is about 50%.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Up to 90% Bob not 80%.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Thanks, that's what I get for mislaying my glasses again. Thanks also to lisvaneblue for his clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Another encouraging aspect of this trial is that none of the people involved who caught Covid were hospitalised.
This sounds so promising hope people dont think they can now go out and have a massive party.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Here's me on reading that, just cranked on a live version of '586' and currently jigging around the kitchen with a bottle of Moretti.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
I'm swerving the neighbours though.
Also, and I find this stuff a bit confusing, the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine boost T-Cell immunity rather than Antibody. So it *should* be more effective long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Great news about the Oxford vaccine but can anyone please explain why the results differ with 1.5 doses and 2 doses? What are the mechanics? And which technology will be best?
Gonna have the vaccine anyway, but I am extremely curious about it
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
ergo goats is either a student nurse or lives in a loony bin.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
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Originally Posted by goats
The question is, 70% effective but longer term protection, or 90% effective, more costly, and not as long protection.
In 6-9 months these vaccines will start looking a little primitive as other vaccines continue to be developed, the key point being that the virus can be contained, at least, by the wonders of modern science.
A difficult one for us mortals....Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
One idea is the immune system rejects the vaccine, which is built around a common cold virus, if it is given in too big an initial dose.
Or a low then high shot may be a better mimic of a coronavirus infection and lead to a better immune response.
Covid-19: Oxford University vaccine is highly effective https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55040635
Definitely the latter, all my life tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Feedback
Worth a watch for the sceptics out there......
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...eason-19334025
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55057642
Deaths in Wales still on the rise. The highest weekly total since early-May apparently.
Cardiff cases were up to around 630 yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
A 10% rise since Thursday, when they had gone down well since the 2 week lockdown. Stayed around 565 for three days last week, but has gone upon two days since
Bad in the valleys still looking at that graph.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
If infections is on a 2-3 week lag then deaths is probably a couple of weeks behind that, so the high numbers now probably refelects the worst of the second spike?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Agreed, it's certainly conceivable that many of those deaths were people who caught the virus pre firebreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Just under 600 new cases in Wales today with more than two thirds of them in Blaenau Gwent and only 37 in Cardiff. It was a low number of tests compared to normal though, but is that because there weren't as many people requiring them?
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Good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
If the talk about following the bufoon and his crew is correct then we will be in teir 3 soon.
The vast majority of pubs could be closed until Spring.
Some great positive news is so welcome with stuff like procurement and finding of vaccine , care home instant testing for Xmas , the trial in Liverpool , footy fans back in some grounds albeit 4k max , Xmas UK wide approach to Covid an family get togethers .
If Wales is to have a tier system as in England doesn't the fact that you think Wales will soon be in tier 3 suggest that, despite the measures taken, Wales is amongst the worst infected areas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
It also suggests that Wales have been no more successful than England in managing the pandemic.
Allowing a limited number of people back into football grounds, opening pubs and restaurants for food in England under the tier system etc is asking for trouble as it is inevitable the number of cases and deaths will rise dramatically by the end of January. Isn't the relaxation of the rules in Wales after the arguably too short firebreak the reason why the cases in Wales are high and a reason why under the tier system they will continue to rise.
I agree the vaccine is great news.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I'm not delirious about a UK wide approach to Covid, football fans in the grounds nor the family get togethers without anyone having the vaccine.
In fact anything that blonde bouffanted clit advocates I'd suggest giving it a massive swerve.
Seems like they are saying we will all probably have to suffer in January and more people will die etc, just to sit around a table and get drunk for a day or two...madness. We’ve all waited this long, what’s a few more months?
As Mark Drakeford said yesterday, people will celebrate anyhow and better to give a set of rules. No doubt the 4 nation discussions would have considered the impact on spread of virus and death rates, and concluded that it was a trade off. Some trade off!!Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
But it's not just Christmas, there's Boxing Day sales followed by New Year celebrations. This period could push Covid into orbit.
Ridiculous isn’t it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I bet NHS staff can’t wait for New Year.
Our politicians can then wear a NHS pin badge, give them a clap and eulogise about what a great job they do when hospital porters are taking bodies down the mortuary and doctors are deciding who has a ventilator.
Unless someone has a terminally ill relative or close friend who they know is not going to be around for Christmas 2021, I don't get this clamour to "save our Christmas". How many Christmases does the average person experience in their lifetime? More than enough to cope with having to do without one for one year out of their lives I'd say and, of course, even if there were pretty strict lockdown regulations in place, it would hardly be as if Christmas was cancelled would it?
If it was my decision to make, I would say that anyone who the medical profession felt was not going to survive another year could have a "normal" Christmas where they get to see their family and close friends, but everyone else would have to abide by the rules that are going to be in place for much of December - hopefully, Easter 2021 can be an alternative Christmas for one year only.
They're following the science, like they've been doing all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Honest.