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I kind of agree with this. Or do we just accept that football has no integrity and just get on with it? Big business dominates our society and policy at every level and is generally amoral when it comes to decision making.
The truth of the matter is that Biancheri is the best of the crop at the age of 16, but may not be at the age of 18 or 21. He will do well to get in the Man Utd U18 team next season, let alone the U21's. He is nowhere near the talent that Ramon Calliste, Leon Jeanne or even Christian Roberts were at the same age (Roberts turned down similar advances). His move to them will not improve his development, but will give him a fatter contract at 17. There may also have been some immediate 'benefits'. How David Hughes can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me.
I'm not sure that Cat 1 makes a lot of difference, 60% extra of bugger all, is still bugger all.
I strongly believe the system is completely unfair and should be changed so the Academies can be used for what they were originally, not as a feeders for the richest clubs. However, I don’t agree that a change to category 1 would make no difference to us. For a start, we could make a bent system work for us by picking up good players from other clubs without Category One Academies for the bargain prices that the likes of Man United and Man City (it’d probably be less actuall, because we’d not be able to attract the very best). I’d not like to see us behave like that and would much prefer a fairer system be put in place, but footballs a cut throat business and,if we don’t do it, there’ll be plenty who will.
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Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?
If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.
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Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?
If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/s...CeLhCJnFWbvMxA
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LA Bluebird
Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?
If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.
Something will have to give with this or you'll have academies shutting down across the country.
What's the point of investing considerable sums into an academy when you'll see no benefit in terms of players of any standard coming through, or have zero financial benefit from moving them on.
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LA Bluebird
Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?
If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.
Another cherry picking raid - although this one delayed until the summer. Sickening - and probably not the best move for Benjamin who would have been playing regularly for the u21s here (although a better move for his bank balance)?
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I think these players and there advisors are smart enough to realize there’s a much lower chance (if any) of a path to playing regularly for these big clubs, but on the other hand they will get a few years of some of the best coaching in the world, the pick of loan deals around Europe when they are ready and then probably find a landing spot at a team at least the size of Cardiff if it doesn’t pan out for them… plus getting paid an order of magnitude more than they can get here in the meantime.
It’s a no brainer for the players but a real kick in the gut for us and surely something has to give. Anyone know if this is part of what was being looked at in the scope of what the government was trying to push through? The FA surely have to see this as a massive risk if there’s no value for anyone outside of the top 10-15 in the Prem to run an academy.
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You can't blame any young player for jumping at the chance to join Man Utd or Man City, but the academy system is badly broken.
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Anyone know if this is part of what was being looked at in the scope of what the government was trying to push through? The FA surely have to see this as a massive risk if there’s no value for anyone outside of the top 10-15 in the Prem to run an academy.
I was wondering that, but looking at it now it doesn't look like it is. Clubs need to get together to tell the FA they're considering shutting down their academies unless something changes.
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Something will have to give with this or you'll have academies shutting down across the country.
What's the point of investing considerable sums into an academy when you'll see no benefit in terms of players of any standard coming through, or have zero financial benefit from moving them on.
Independent regulator should look at this. They won't, though. It doesn't benefit the big 6 and even after the Super League debacle there's no appetite to do anything to curb their power.
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Another cherry picking raid - although this one delayed until the summer. Sickening - and probably not the best move for Benjamin who would have been playing regularly for the u21s here (although a better move for his bank balance)?
he will get better coaching there, and probably better loan moves.
we don't exactly have a great track record of turning out great youngsters
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he will get better coaching there, and probably better loan moves.
we don't exactly have a great track record of turning out great youngsters
It doesn't help that all our best youngsters go. We've lost loads to the big clubs recently.
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Where’s the welsh Journo’s when you need them, bit of investigative journalism on this subject could make some noise and ruffle some feathers.
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they should at the very least make a mandatory sell-on fee, split by the number of years the players have been at whichever clubs before they're 21 or something
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Whisperer
Where’s the welsh Journo’s when you need them, bit of investigative journalism on this subject could make some noise and ruffle some feathers.
When this got pushed through, the PL said it is this, or no TV money. Nobody important cares because the big clubs get what they want and nothing will change. We can kick up a stink, it won't change anything. If they didn't punish them for the Super League stuff, they definitely won't change this. The only time it will change is if basically every club below the PL stops running academies because there's no point.
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Whisperer
Where’s the welsh Journo’s when you need them, bit of investigative journalism on this subject could make some noise and ruffle some feathers.
What is there to investigate? This is the system working as intended
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When this got pushed through, the PL said it is this, or no TV money. Nobody important cares because the big clubs get what they want and nothing will change. We can kick up a stink, it won't change anything. If they didn't punish them for the Super League stuff, they definitely won't change this. The only time it will change is if basically every club below the PL stops running academies because there's no point.
In retrospect we could have been cynical and chucked a few kids on at Leeds to try and bump the price up if we knew they were going. Sunderland played a 15 year old the other day
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I don’t think that’s how it works is it? Fixed price for every year in the academy I thought, nothing else you can do until they sign a contract at 17.
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I don’t think that’s how it works is it? Fixed price for every year in the academy I thought, nothing else you can do until they sign a contract at 17.
Didn't Fulham manage to up the price for Harvey Elliott by playing him in a couple of games? They aren't a category 1 academy either
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In retrospect we could have been cynical and chucked a few kids on at Leeds to try and bump the price up if we knew they were going. Sunderland played a 15 year old the other day
I think that's what they've tried to do with Benjamin. I'm not sure how Ampadu and Elliot went for a fair chunk, when I was under the impression it is all fixed. A tribunal ruled that Ampadu went for less than what Chelsea had bid, though because that seems fair.
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Didn't Fulham manage to up the price for Harvey Elliott by playing him in a couple of games? They aren't a category 1 academy either
depends if he's signed a pro contract, after 17 it goes to a tribunal where number of games played does make a difference