Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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18-12-20, 18:25
The Bloop

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Originally Posted by Vindec

The calculator states there are at least 6m in front of me to be vaccinated by the end of February. By that time there won't be enough available vaccines unless the Oxford vaccine comes on stream.

Same for me - I'm 52 but being on the shielding list has shunted me up the queue.
18-12-20, 21:12
lisvaneblue

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Originally Posted by Vindec

The calculator states there are at least 6m in front of me to be vaccinated by the end of February. By that time there won't be enough available vaccines unless the Oxford vaccine comes on stream.

The calculator is based on 1m injections a week being given. First week 140,000 got it
18-12-20, 22:10
Vindec

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The calculator is based on 1m injections a week being given. First week 140,000 got it

Isn't that because there is only enough of the Pfizer vaccine to vaccinate 400000 people.
18-12-20, 22:22
Hilts

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

The calculator is based on 1m injections a week being given. First week 140,000 got it

And?

You dont think the current vaccination capacity is anywhere near what it will be when more are available.
19-12-20, 00:31
adz-a32

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/...eb2x&context=3
19-12-20, 04:37
the other bob wilson

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The Telegraph talks of "alarming" news on the new Covid variant - unfortunately, all bar the headline is behind a paywall, so I've no more info than that, but, presumably, it's along the lines of this;-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...w-covid-strain

Good news is that, as refered to above, the Telegraph is reporting that the Oxford vaccine will be approved just after Christmas.
19-12-20, 07:57
goats

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20 million doses, easier to rollout. Let’s get it on
19-12-20, 09:04
Taunton Blue Genie

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Has anyone else, like me, received a letter this week from the NHS in respect of taking part in random Covid testing? Kit arrives by post and gets collected by courier.
19-12-20, 09:06
Harry Paget Flashman

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Not impressed with my kids school at all.
The teachers have basically engineered a situation where they can have home schooling for the last week so that none of them have to isolate over christmas, but the last week of school has been a complete joke.
the teachers basically printed off a couple of xmas themed wordsearches and colouring in sheets and let them get on with it - both my kids 3 school years apart got given the same sheets.
They basically couldn't be arsed for the last week, and now they'll have a longer Christmas break as well.

None of the teachers I know want to be home.

They all hate doing the online work as they have received little or no training on how to do it and often the tech is crap.

As far as I have heard they'd all rather be in school teaching. ( or this week doing concerts etc)
19-12-20, 15:20
adz-a32

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Does the Oxford or Pfizer vaccine reduce transmission? I am ****ing sick of staying in for like 9/10 months and if it reduces transmission, would that mean it would be safer to go out by Spring?
19-12-20, 15:34
City123

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

Does the Oxford or Pfizer vaccine reduce transmission? I am ****ing sick of staying in for like 9/10 months and if it reduces transmission, would that mean it would be safer to go out by Spring?

I seem to remember the Pfizer vaccine stops you from getting very ill but doesn't necessarily reduce transmission

Pfizer CEO "not certain" it will stop transmission: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...nsmission.html
19-12-20, 15:38
Hilts

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Has anyone else, like me, received a letter this week from the NHS in respect of taking part in random Covid testing? Kit arrives by post and gets collected by courier.

A friend of mine had one about 2 months ago and my mother in law 2 weeks ago - but she s now in a care home.
19-12-20, 16:18
Michael Morris

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Boris just introduced Tier 4 for areas in England.

Tier 4 areas cannot mix at Christmas and in other areas Christmas bubbles reduced to 1 day
19-12-20, 16:25
the other bob wilson

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Over 3,000 new cases in Wales today while we wait about to celebrate something which occurs right in the middle of the time when the virus will thrive.
19-12-20, 16:30
Hilts

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Boris scoffed at Keir on Wednesday about cancelling Christmas. Now 3 days later this.

Drakeford will follow I think.
19-12-20, 16:35
Vindec

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Originally Posted by Hilts

A friend of mine had one about 2 months ago and my mother in law 2 weeks ago - but she s now in a care home.

Both my wife and I participated in a COVID test survey a few months ago. I did the test that involved taking a swab from the back of the throat and a nasal swab. The kit arrived by post and was collected by a courier. The arrangements worked well.

My wife did the test that involved pricking the finger and placing blood on a card, getting the result from that and sending the picture to the government's researchers which I think involved Imperial College. It was a while ago so can't remember the precise details.
19-12-20, 16:45
Whisperer

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There was a protest by about 200 people in Oxford Street today lots of quite straight older folk, there must have been 500 old bill some in full riot gear dispersing them, I doubt it will make the news or papers but I am starting to become sceptical.
19-12-20, 16:47
Hilts

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Both my wife and I participated in a COVID test survey a few months ago. I did the test that involved taking a swab from the back of the throat and a nasal swab. The kit arrived by post and was collected by a courier. The arrangements worked well.

My wife did the test that involved pricking the finger and placing blood on a card, getting the result from that and sending the picture to the government's researchers which I think involved Imperial College. It was a while ago so can't remember the precise details.

The one my friend is involved in was initially weekly tests which has now moved to monthly. The whole household has them. Currently its the covid test but will move to the anti body test.
19-12-20, 16:48
Vindec

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Boris scoffed at Keir on Wednesday about cancelling Christmas. Now 3 days later this.

Drakeford will follow I think.

Surely you must see that it would be irresponsible for any government not to act in the light of changing situation. Apparently the figures have got very much worse in the last 24 hours due to the new mutation which increases transmission rate by 70% so the government had no choice but to act.

I hope Drakeford does follow suit but he will want to do things his way and follow his usual anything but England strategy.

I see Sturgeon has a press conference at 5.30pm today so a Welsh one is inevitable.
19-12-20, 16:58
Hilts

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I agree he should act.

If there was 4 weeks on from Wednesdays performance in Parliament and not days id have more sympathy.
19-12-20, 16:58
Michael Morris

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Wales to go into lockdown tonight
19-12-20, 16:59
LeningradCowboy

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Originally Posted by Michael Morris

Wales to go into lockdown tonight

Merry ****ing Christmas.
19-12-20, 16:59
LeningradCowboy

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55379237

The whole of Wales will be placed under lockdown from midnight with Christmas plans cancelled for all but one day.
19-12-20, 17:07
Whisperer

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Surely you must see that it would be irresponsible for any government not to act in the light of changing situation. Apparently the figures have got very much worse in the last 24 hours due to the new mutation which increases transmission rate by 70% so the government had no choice but to act.

I hope Drakeford does follow suit but he will want to do things his way and follow his usual anything but England strategy.

I see Sturgeon has a press conference at 5.30pm today so a Welsh one is inevitable.

Personally Im very sceptical about this new mutation that they are pedalling, seems very convenient, where I live all the rich have left town, the private schools have now closed and the fauntleroys have all headed to the Cotswolds or their mansions in Monaco, I'll bet you that by the time the private schools open in mid January, London will be eased down a tier or two and Boris will be spouting off.
19-12-20, 17:14
Eric Cartman

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Originally Posted by Whisperer

Personally Im very sceptical about this new mutation that they are pedalling, seems very convenient, where I live all the rich have left town, the private schools have now closed and the fauntleroys have all headed to the Cotswolds or their mansions in Monaco, I'll bet you that by the time the private schools open in mid January, London will be eased down a tier or two and Boris will be spouting off.

Yeah it is clearly being used as cover for them making a complete cockup of everything again, they have known about it for months.
19-12-20, 17:17
Eric Cartman

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Well that is my plan to go and live with my sister for a month or two in the highlands shot to pieces as I live in tier 4. Would have been a nice change of pace and good for mental health but nevermind. At least everyone else got their day out shopping in Oxford Street.
19-12-20, 17:19
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by Whisperer

Personally Im very sceptical about this new mutation that they are pedalling, seems very convenient, where I live all the rich have left town, the private schools have now closed and the fauntleroys have all headed to the Cotswolds or their mansions in Monaco, I'll bet you that by the time the private schools open in mid January, London will be eased down a tier or two and Boris will be spouting off.

It was the silver bullet they've been waiting for. As you say, the pheasant and trimmings will be scoffed down by the toffs [ie politicians] behind closed doors while the little people stay at home on their own, heads bowed cowering in fear..
19-12-20, 17:27
adz-a32

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Originally Posted by Whisperer

Personally Im very sceptical about this new mutation that they are pedalling, seems very convenient, where I live all the rich have left town, the private schools have now closed and the fauntleroys have all headed to the Cotswolds or their mansions in Monaco, I'll bet you that by the time the private schools open in mid January, London will be eased down a tier or two and Boris will be spouting off.

The illness is real and it seems to be spreading more.

I guess our only way out is a vaccine. They are apparently, going to approve the Oxford one a few days after Xmas (see a post I made in the previous page that links to a Telegraph article) and if they give the half dose first, then that vaccine alone would be enough for the whole UK population (based on the amounts we have ordered). If it is standard dose first, then we will have enough vaccines, as the government have ordered Pfizer and Moderna ones. But with this second paragraph, I am a random guy on an MB so some nuances will be missed but back to the point, the virus mutation seems real to me.
19-12-20, 18:06
dml1954

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55379237

The whole of Wales will be placed under lockdown from midnight with Christmas plans cancelled for all but one day.

I can understand areas like Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and the valleys going into lockdown due to their high population densities but how can Drakeford possibly justify locking down in rural counties in North, West and Mid Wales where transmission rates are actually lower than parts of England that are in tier one and two. Once again he has panicked to cover his own backside and basically pushed the whole of the Welsh economy down the drain.
19-12-20, 18:10
Hilts

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I can understand areas like Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and the valleys going into lockdown due to their high population densities but how can Drakeford possibly justify locking down in rural counties in North, West and Mid Wales where transmission rates are actually lower than parts of England that are in tier one and two. Once again he has panicked to cover his own backside and basically pushed the whole of the Welsh economy down the drain.

So the new strain and the virus doesnt pick up and spread in those areas?
19-12-20, 18:26
Taunton Blue Genie

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Both my wife and I participated in a COVID test survey a few months ago. I did the test that involved taking a swab from the back of the throat and a nasal swab. The kit arrived by post and was collected by a courier. The arrangements worked well.

My wife did the test that involved pricking the finger and placing blood on a card, getting the result from that and sending the picture to the government's researchers which I think involved Imperial College. It was a while ago so can't remember the precise details.

Better than the other way around perhaps.
19-12-20, 18:28
Taunton Blue Genie

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Originally Posted by Hilts

A friend of mine had one about 2 months ago and my mother in law 2 weeks ago - but she s now in a care home.

Well I hope to keep posting if the same thing happens to me....
19-12-20, 19:25
goats

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Surely you must see that it would be irresponsible for any government not to act in the light of changing situation. Apparently the figures have got very much worse in the last 24 hours due to the new mutation which increases transmission rate by 70% so the government had no choice but to act.

I hope Drakeford does follow suit but he will want to do things his way and follow his usual anything but England strategy.

I see Sturgeon has a press conference at 5.30pm today so a Welsh one is inevitable.

They couldn’t ignore it. The science changed so they had to combat it. What would keir done? Nothing different that’s for sure
19-12-20, 19:26
goats

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Originally Posted by Hilts

So the new strain and the virus doesnt pick up and spread in those areas?

Carmarthen is bad too
19-12-20, 19:36
Hilts

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FFS.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-...kdown-19490564
19-12-20, 19:38
City123

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

The illness is real and it seems to be spreading more.

I guess our only way out is a vaccine. They are apparently, going to approve the Oxford one a few days after Xmas (see a post I made in the previous page that links to a Telegraph article) and if they give the half dose first, then that vaccine alone would be enough for the whole UK population (based on the amounts we have ordered). If it is standard dose first, then we will have enough vaccines, as the government have ordered Pfizer and Moderna ones. But with this second paragraph, I am a random guy on an MB so some nuances will be missed but back to the point, the virus mutation seems real to me.

Just read the article, sounds optimistic!

Don't trust this shower to actually come through on their promises mind
19-12-20, 19:54
adz-a32

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Originally Posted by City123

Just read the article, sounds optimistic!

Don't trust this shower to actually come through on their promises mind

Yeah, it seems to be a leak so take it with a pinch of salt. However the MHRA are not the Tory party. Also considering that the Pfizer vaccine was approved soon after submission, this Oxford one will probably be approved soon, assuming the approval processes are the same
19-12-20, 20:15
Eric Cartman

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Originally Posted by goats

They couldn’t ignore it. The science changed so they had to combat it. What would keir done? Nothing different that’s for sure

They did ignore it for months, it was discovered in September. I don't know if you saw PMQs this week but up until then at least Boris was still accusing Starmer of trying to steal Christmas because he was in favour of further restrictions.
19-12-20, 20:30
Eric Cartman

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Just to make another point, about 'the science'. Norwich had a crowd today, East of England has the highest R and Norfolk has the highest incidence of the new strain. It isn't going into tier 4, whilst lots of relatively low case areas are. Shambles.
19-12-20, 20:41
Dorcus

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Originally Posted by dml1954

I can understand areas like Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and the valleys going into lockdown due to their high population densities but how can Drakeford possibly justify locking down in rural counties in North, West and Mid Wales where transmission rates are actually lower than parts of England that are in tier one and two. Once again he has panicked to cover his own backside and basically pushed the whole of the Welsh economy down the drain.

More like he's prioritizing lives over livelihoods and he's right to do so. This argument about tiered management is a nonsense; the virus can and will quickly infect all regions given a chance: it doesn't respect geographical boundaries. Well done to Drakeford, he's executing his responsibility manfully unlike the big baby in London trying to keep everyone happy.

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