That makes no sense whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
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That makes no sense whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
It's ok, most of us realise by now that you tend to make any conversation a personal attack to cover your own deficiencies in life. Winning on a message board is very important to you. I could try to use reason, and in fact I will use reason. I saw three cars arrive just as I arrived at my parent's house. There were another two cars parked outside that I know belong to one of the grandkids and the son. So, no, this wasn't deduced from me sitting with my nose glued to the window. On with the next winning comment!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Then maybe you should have read it without the intention of picking holes for your mission to win on a football messageboard - you got Organ Morgan so you are on a (t)roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Let me join the dots for you.
The virus is rampant in my part of the country. There are, roughly, 1 in 53 people with the virus. Why? Because there is practically no adherence to the guidelines from a sizeable portion of the area (my parent's neighbours being just one example, I could point out others but would be accused of curtain twitching I guess). Once you accept that the virus is spread by person to person contact, and most infections occur in households (Robert Koch institute Oct 27) - then you quickly realise that enough people saw the one house bubble and made it more - so the only option is to close those bubbles.
The result, people who comply with one household become zero household bubbles (cutting their risk), the people who weren't complying with one household bubble continue to be non-compliers anyway. Yes, the stricter rules technically apply to us all (to cut contacts and reduce risk), but the Government knows there are those that try to do as much as the guidelines say, and those who are ignorant and stricter guidelines will have minimal impact on that group.
The only measures that reduce this are the closing of public venues but that has already been done. No football matches for you to boycott, for example, for 9 months. Pubs have been shut for 6 weeks or more. Gyms have just shut, not sure when cinemas were last open and so on.
The point I was making, and perhaps not well, but then I've never been a writer nor felt important enough to blog about shooting from the lip, is that only I could visit my parents Christmas Day because of the guidelines. My sister could not. Our risk, when we talked about it, was low because she works from home, her boyfriend is home with long-term illness, I work from home, and my son has been home from school since the first week of December. On the other hand, my parent's neighbours have rarely followed the guidelines and so individually they pose a greater risk to the old guy than we pose to our parents. Since many people are asymptomatic, we decided not to take the risk - I've been in a bubble with my parents on and off for 3-4 months because of my son.
It will be interesting if you decide to talk about the points above like a grown man, or if you continue with your vanity project of winning on a messageboard.
Firstly, anyone only needs to take a quick scroll through your posting history to see that you've been making regular personal attacks on me pretty much ever since you registered this latest in a long list of usernames. You've been the equivalent of a desperate cyber-stalker where I'm concerned for much of the last year. I can't help but notice you very much like to dish it out, but you really don't like getting it back. Therefore, when you decided you were going to start making snide and personal remarks about me, I reckon you selected the wrong target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
Secondly, the irony of being described as having 'deficiencies in life' by somebody who apparently spent much of Christmas counting his neighbours' visitors is not lost on me.
Thirdly, when you say 'most of us', which poor bastards appointed you as their spokesman?
You said: "Strict rules have to be put on people who are compliant to compensate for people like this who will not follow any rules anyway."Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
Your point was nonsense. It's no more complicated than that.
You make some very good points, and i agree in how the virus has been spreading (through people not following the Bubble guidelines) As For your spat with TLG, i'd say that it's you that is following him about the messageboard and making personal comments. It sort of devalues some of the very good points you make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
Are you able to explain why?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Fair enough, although seeing one person publicly singling out another poster with by starting not one, but two (at least) threads on a platform that allows Private Messenging is a tad frustrating isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
You have maintained that strict rules have to be put on people who are compliant to compensate for people who will not follow any rules anyway. To me, that is illogical.
Let's take the example of the Christmas household 'bubbles'. The government originally said that up to three households could mix over Christmas, safe in the knowledge that a significant percentage of the population would ignore that rule and do whatever they wanted to do anyway. Then they reduced the restriction to two households following a spike in infections, once again safe in the knowledge that a significant percentage of the population would ignore that rule and do whatever they wanted to do anyway.
You seem to be assuming that the spike in infections occurred mostly among people who are non-compliant with the Covid-19 guidelines and, therefore, further restrictions had to be placed upon the compliant to compensate for them. I can understand your thinking to a degree, but there doesn't appear to be any definitive proof as regards where transmission is currently occurring (apart from in hospitals and care homes) and that is why the virus is proving so difficult to control.
As you have said yourself, the government allow for a degree of non-compliance and fatigue whenever they implement restrictions or offer up guidelines. However, when you consider how the vast majority of us have been living our lives for many months and how society has been behaving as a whole, and yet how the virus has surged again in recent times, it's clear that they are running out of ideas and that's not altogether surprising because the situation is obviously nowhere near as simple as you're making it sound.
Well, i don't think that the Organ Morgan thread was intended as an attack, that's how i see it, and i suppose if we take into account OM's ability to bat criticism off and give as good as he gets then i'm sure that it wouldn't have been taken that way. As for the spat with Sludge, that's unfortunate because both TLG and Sludge have known each other for years, good mates, regularly taking the piss out or one another. I certainly wouldn't go down the personal route on here, others do, i don't particularly like it, although there may be a bit of background stuff that we don't know about. I know TLG and he's a sound bloke so it's difficult for me to be to critical because i know his personality. I also know sludge, but not so well, he's a really nice bloke with good intentions. He has been a bit full on at times on here in my opinion, but it's sort of understandable given his circumstances. I just hope that it sorts itself out. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
Over 4,000 new cease in Wales and over 70 dead. There were 900 plus new cases in RCT and Blaenau Gwent, but these poor figures can be partially explained by the fact there were about three times as many tests as on a normal day - presumably there’s a degree of catching up in the figures after Christmas;-
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Why do you feel the need to defend sludge? He is big and ugly enough to fend for himself. Perhaps its because you just think because others were having a go at TLG you thought you could jump in, but you exposed yourself as being a troll by showing you knew far more about him than a relatively new poster would, including knowing where watched the game from in the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
So perhaps it was more about having a go at him than defending anyone else.
But then, what do I know?
no more frustrating than someone who continually makes new profiles for themselves I'd sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
Sounds like uncle Tony's idea of a single vacine to more folk is gathering traction , as one vacine gives 91% two gets 95% protection so the calculation is between giving 4% more , than a lot more folk vaccinated earlier in a first tranch .
Wished we had been more severe than Boris and shut all the pubs and stopped that non essential buyingQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
They did shut the pubs didn’t they? Dec 5th?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I was being ironic , Wales has administered much harsher measures and still the bad boy virus got to many , i'm just preying our economy survives and jobs losses wont hurt the needy .Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Lots of figures around regarding % protection after one dose, but I understand the majority opinion is that it is 50% effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
And just imagine what it would have been like if the WAG had been as lax as Johnson has been throughout the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
We know the the first of the long awaited vaccines is available and Wales has had its initial share. Shame is that we have given less doses than the other three home nations. Today's Echo says that up to 23 December Wales has vaccinated 1 in 140 of the population, N Ireland 1 in 75, Scotland 1 in 96 and England 1 in 107. The WG says it is difficult to transport in rural areas and they have limited ability to get it into care homes, but, there is no shortage of vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
N.Ireland has managed 8,000 jabs into care homes maybe we can learn from them.
Our leaders say they are waiting for the AZ vaccine and plan a major push. Meanwhile we have some horrific case figures and deaths here in Wales. Every day counts and the population is asked to make big sacrifices on freedom whilst our leaders can't work around using the vaccines they already have to protect the people of Wales.
I watched on TV the fleets of dedicated vans leaving Berlin yesterday to inject those in German nursing homes and wondered why we seem incapable of something similar. I'm right peed off with Gethin and Drakeford.
Just be reading about the latest ONS data which states that the new variant is not dominant in Wales representing about 10% of cases. Drakeford makes out the the new variant is the problem in Wales, but looks like it's notQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
That's an extraordinary comment given the Welsh Government's early cessation of the firebreak and the appalling COVID figures in Wales which are the worst in the UK. Although your post refers to "throughout the year" the only statistics that matter are the number of COVID cases and the number of deaths and in this respect the figures in Wales contradict your opinion which implies Wales have handled the pandemic in a less lax way than England. While Wales had their firebreak at the right time it ended far too early and in a far to lax manner allowing a virtual free for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Let's see how the WAG deal with the vaccination programme. I can't say whether England has been more lax than Wales but if the post below from Lisvane Blue is correct things don't seem to be going too well at the moment despite the availability of the vaccine.
Apologies. I was too late to edit the above post. The second sentence should read "Although your post refers to "throughout the year" the only statistics that matter are the number of COVID cases and the number of deaths and in this respect the figures in Wales contradict your opinion which implies England have handled the pandemic in a less lax way than Wales".Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
So far vaccinated less than anywhere else in the uk, not sure if anyone who isn’t front line or in a care home has been done yet.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...covid-19526106Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Someone has to have the lowest rate but not substantially lower.
Gethin and Drakeford need to explain themselves.
Create a panic to control the people? The new variant might not really be here so much, seemed a bit odd anyway, but the virus was definitely on the up a week or two ago....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I agree. Why is it so difficult to transport the Pfizer jab to care homes? The majority of care homes are likely to be near the major populations, the large towns and cities. I understand that Wales distributed the vaccine equally between the Health Authorities, so the rural areas got the same amount as the areas with dense populations. Powys having the same amount as Cardiff and Vale when there isn't even a general hospital in Powys seems ill thought out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
No doubt at least one of duo will be on TV this week telling us again that the new variant is the cause of our high infection rates,( not true), that it is virulent (not true) and that the most important thing is to stay at home to save lives ( while we think about how to protect the vulnerable with the vaccine)
If and its a big if it really is a big issue getting this vaccine into Care Homes with the Oxford vaccine being on the horizon then why not vaccinate as many other people in vulnerable groups. Say the over 80s those with underlying health issues. Even expand to over 75s.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
Then go back to plan A and go to the Care Homes when the Oxford comes out.
We should be vaccinating as quickly as possible.
So far im only aware of 1 person I know who has had a jab. A mate of mine who is a Social Worker.( he has been helping in care homes due to staff shortages)
Have you got any evidence to say that the vaccine is being distributed in rural areas at the same quantity to those areas with more dense populations? That doesn't make much sense to me, i'd like to see the breakdown if you've got it, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
I suppose it'll all be in the timings. I've no doubt that Englands numbers will look horrific in a week or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Wales did well just after the firebreak but probably all can agree we should have stayed in it for considerably longer, but there's a balance to strike.
Looks like it depends on the number of priority cases in each area. Swansea had more than the whole of N Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
http://www.deeside.com/north-wales-sees-12-of-first-vaccinations-in-wales/
Cheers Hilts. So not like LB was trying to make out, unless he know's different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I took care to say throughout the year whereas you appear to be concentrating solely on the period since the firebreak which I concede the WAG have not handled well and it seems they are not making a great job of rolling out the vaccine. However, there has been a bit of a trend towards saying that Johnson and co are somehow responsible for England only and this is not true, they are the UK Government, therefore, despite the powers the WAG has with regard to healthcare in Wales, it's hardly as if they have full independence where Covid policy is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Of course they have full independence for healthcare.including Covid policy. If they choose to work with the other home nations on certain initiatives that's fine, but it's WAG decision to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Deliberately I noted that you said "throughout the year". And throughout the year includes the period post firebreak. The issue appears to be that the WAGs powers have not been exercised well and I just don't see how you can possibly say that England has been more lax than Wales when that is not borne out by the statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The WAG have powers to determine whether and when their firebreaks/lockdowns begin and end as well as vaccine distribution and neither have these jobs have been done well. Of course the figures in England could end up as bad as Wales but they are not there yet. But that is the point, comparisons between the two countries cannot be made until comparable data is available.
I think the article refers to the number of jabs given between 8-16 December for each Health Board, not the number of vaccines handed out to each. I do note later that WAG says it's distributed by relative size of the priority population in each health board. So those with the most care homes and over 80s should have got the most. That being the case why aren't jabs being given in care homes to any extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
My original comment that each authority got equal share came from what I believe Mark Drakeford said on TV a few weeks ago. When I have time I'll try to check it out on the WG website
What statistics?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
When the WAG wanted to have a Firebreak originally,, the UK Government would not extend the furlough scheme to cover those in this country who would be losing out with the second lockdown. That situation only changed when the number of new cases started rising rapidly in other parts of the UK and the Governemnt had to go back on it's original decision to stick with their tier system - the WAG may have the decision making power in theory, but that is an example where, essentially, the UK Government makes the decisions in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue