The Two-faced, hypocritical Buffoon and his Party set for a Mauling at PMQ's Today..

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Originally Posted by life on mars

You could also argue that if you dont ride along on a populists liberal /left /central view your cancelled or ridiculed

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**** me this cannot be serious, have you consumed any media in this country in the last 20 years?!

Not sure what’s funnier this or that someone thinks this government is libertarian :hehe:

Christ someone is taking a kicking here 😳

I think the actual problem is the political landscape has shifted so much that “facts” have somehow become left wing.

And that’s how this board reacts to any factually accurate criticisms of this government.

The same way anything that isn’t completely cuntish has become “politically correct”.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

not sure if you are being serious

this has been going on for ages, during the Brexit debates, the remainers were always shouting " thats a right leaning newspaper " or " how can we take that serious when its in the Daily Mail ( for example ) "

if the news story doesn't suit, its normally discredited because in a newspaper / press that leans the one direction ( always the wrong one it seems )

now someone mentions a "lefty " its unacceptable :shrug:

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Just to make this easier for you saying lefty isn’t unacceptable. It’s just usually used as a response incorrectly.

No one is offended by lefty, I just think people using it as a criticism are being stupid and using it when left or right aren’t applicable.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think the actual problem is the political landscape has shifted so much that “facts” have somehow become left wing.

And that’s how this board reacts to any factually accurate criticisms of this government.

The same way anything that isn’t completely cuntish has become “politically correct”.

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This is quite literally the exact opposite of what has happened here 🤣🤣

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Pretty hard hitting stuff from someone who has been involved with SAGE.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-link-omicron

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Does read rather like clickbait for guardian readers. A quick look at his twitter shows the author is very much a left-wing activist amongst other things that no doubt qualify him.

It's just the Daily Mail of the left. Opinion pieces in the guardian have only a passing interest in balance or factual accuracy. It's like doing a review of Cardiff City's season and only showing highlights of the defeats.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Pathetic how everything people don’t agree with now has been reduced to “lefty” no wonder the political discourse and economy of this country are down the toilet.

Everything can be ruled by making people think it’s a culture war. It’s like America lite over here.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

You always say things like this and I don’t really understand why? I wasn’t talking about newspapers or articles, I was talking about the inane responses in this thread.

If you can be a bit more clear about what your actual problem is I’ll happily answer it more because at the moment it’s lost on me.

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let me explain, whilst people were discussing the article ( 1st quote ) on the guardian site ( posted by TOBW )
JamesWales made a remark about the author being a left-wing activist

hope you are following so far

you then made your remark saying it " Pathetic how everything people don’t agree with now has been reduced to “lefty” "

now people have been rubbishish newspapers / press articles on here for years, we have all seen a number of times " Oh its the daily mail , that is a right wing paper " ( it might be, but thats not the issue here ) so when people see a article they do not agree with, its the normal response to brush it away because its not from the source they agree with ( be it left or right ) which is what you called foul here with JamesWales calling the article from the " left " yet for years you have been doing exactly the same with articles from the " right " , seems you want it only your way

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Just to make this easier for you saying lefty isn’t unacceptable. It’s just usually used as a response incorrectly.

No one is offended by lefty, I just think people using it as a criticism are being stupid and using it when left or right aren’t applicable.

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no-one is offended, but you can not call foul when someone points out the article is from a left-wing activist but quickly shout down a article from the right, it has to work both ways

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Dominic Raab is a proper horrible **** isn’t he?

He’s claiming the overhaul of human rights law will counter “political correctness”

Which of these laws are our resident torystans think are overtly politically correct?



Mad that our current government feels the right to be a **** is more valuable than our right to protest.

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Another Brexit Bonus from the Tory b**tards! Utterly disgraceful!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

We don't know that. I am well aware of it's reputation of course, but equally a lot of people who don't read it spread somewhat inaccurate stories about it. It's pretty good at holding governments to account in it's own way and has some very commendable campaigns. It does also have a greater diversity of opinion within it, which I think is important.

Personally, I see more abuse and 'hate' coming from people who object to it than people who support it, it's just in the minds of polite society that is an acceptable form of hate.

But hey, I don't advocate it. If you only read one paper don't read the Daily Mail. But you are better off reading a variety, and if you want to understand the country you live in, ignoring it's most popular media sources is rarely a good idea.

Also, i like the women in the 'right hand' column on the daily mail website.

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It's also really good for wiping one's a*se

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJKUND80BjU

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Come on now James. We all know that the Daily Heil is a vile hateful rag. It certainly is not a “News Paper”.

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It should be mentioned at this point that there used to be figures published showing which national newspapers printed stories that were total fiction, were total lies and did so knowing the stories were bollocks. The Mail, Sun and Express were always way out in front of these lists. The Grauniad was always towards the bottom.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

no-one is offended, but you can not call foul when someone points out the article is from a left-wing activist but quickly shout down a article from the right, it has to work both ways

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I wasn’t talking about the article though.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Thanks babe. I am wrong as often as anyone else though.

However in an article entitled "The weakest link in fighting Covid is not the public, it’s the UK government" written by a politically motivated journalist in a politically motivated newspaper that fails to point out that the UK is currently..

A) Ranked 2nd in Europe, behind only Iceland in Booster jabs and way ahead of many countries.

and

B) Ranked 31st in Europe for deaths in the last week.

..Means I think I am right on this occasion to point out that the article is highly questionable, even if it does upset the angry lot on here.

These are clearly facts that should make us question his opinions somewhat. If you don't choose to question them then fine, you can ignore the facts.

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The article also fails to point out that the UK is in front of Spain, France, Portugal, Sweden and miles in front of Germany and the Netherlands in a total Covid deaths per million comparison;-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I’d say that gives a far better perspective than your deaths figure for one week. Does the fact that the writer of the article makes no mention of our relatively poor showing compared to most of the bigger Western European countries make him a UK Government stooge I wonder? Using the logic you employ to discredit the piece, I rather think it does, but as you’re only intent on defending the UK Government (as you always do despite your self proclaimed political balance), I don’t suppose that bothers you too much.

Also, isn’t the Daily Mail defined as an unreliable source by Wikipedia? By the way, I read the Daily Mail in much the same way as you read the Guardian. I often look at it to see what the “other side” is saying and then nine times out of ten dismiss it - the difference between us is that I readily acknowledge what I am (a “lefty” and happy to be one), whereas you harbour this delusion that you come at things n a balanced way when anyone reading your contributions to this thread (and plenty of others) can see that you don’t.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

no-one is offended, but you can not call foul when someone points out the article is from a left-wing activist but quickly shout down a article from the right, it has to work both ways

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Is he a left wing activist? James Wales says he is and so some people assume he is. Maybe he is, I don’t know, but, having looked at his Twitter page, it struck me that he was just someone who was critical of Johnson and his Government - there’s an awful lot of them about these days.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The article also fails to point out that the UK is in front of Spain, France, Portugal, Sweden and miles in front of Germany and the Netherlands in a total Covid deaths per million comparison;-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I’d say that gives a far better perspective than your deaths figure for one week. Does the fact that the writer of the article makes no mention of our relatively poor showing compared to most of the bigger Western European countries make him a UK Government stooge I wonder? Using the logic you employ to discredit the piece, I rather think it does, but as you’re only intent on defending the UK Government (as you always do despite your self proclaimed political balance), I don’t suppose that bothers you too much.

Also, isn’t the Daily Mail defined as an unreliable source by Wikipedia? By the way, I read the Daily Mail in much the same way as you read the Guardian. I often look at it to see what the “other side” is saying and then nine times out of ten dismiss it - the difference between us is that I readily acknowledge what I am (a “lefty” and happy to be one), whereas you harbour this delusion that you come at things n a balanced way when anyone reading your contributions to this thread (and plenty of others) can see that you don’t.

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Newspapers aside the UK gov data supports some of what TOBW says. But of the home nations, since the start of the pandemic, per capita Wales has the highest incidence, the highest number of deaths as reported as Covid-19 on the death certificate, and highest number of patients admitted to hospital.

All this despite more rigorous restrictions in Wales than the other home nations. So if Worldometers show UK in a bad light compared to many parts of Europe, then what about Wales and our Sendedd...keeping Wales safe!!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The article also fails to point out that the UK is in front of Spain, France, Portugal, Sweden and miles in front of Germany and the Netherlands in a total Covid deaths per million comparison;-

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I’d say that gives a far better perspective than your deaths figure for one week. Does the fact that the writer of the article makes no mention of our relatively poor showing compared to most of the bigger Western European countries make him a UK Government stooge I wonder? Using the logic you employ to discredit the piece, I rather think it does, but as you’re only intent on defending the UK Government (as you always do despite your self proclaimed political balance), I don’t suppose that bothers you too much.

Also, isn’t the Daily Mail defined as an unreliable source by Wikipedia? By the way, I read the Daily Mail in much the same way as you read the Guardian. I often look at it to see what the “other side” is saying and then nine times out of ten dismiss it - the difference between us is that I readily acknowledge what I am (a “lefty” and happy to be one), whereas you harbour this delusion that you come at things n a balanced way when anyone reading your contributions to this thread (and plenty of others) can see that you don’t.

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I'd completely agree. For someone who comes on here and argues that fact is so much more important than opinion, posting a week's COVID data (in the same way as he selectively posts trade data) implies that he thinks the rest of us are a bit stupid.

Wind-up merchant, surely?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I wasn’t talking about the article though.

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Yea ok :thumbup:

it just so happens whilst people were discussing the article on the guardian site ( posted by TOBW )
JamesWales made the remark about the author being a left-wing activist, you just happened to post " Pathetic how everything people don’t agree with now has been reduced to “lefty” "

That’s right matt yes because it had been going on for 30 pages.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Is he a left wing activist? James Wales says he is and so some people assume he is. Maybe he is, I don’t know,

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its surely all about opinions, some might see XYZ as lefty / righty, other might not, but people can not call foul when someone points out the article is left leaning but feel its ok shout down a article from the right, it has to work both ways

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Sorry to spoil the lefty/socialist worker ‘love in’ on this thread but there is one slight problem with all this - people making anti Government comments whilst at the same time laughing at and encouraging other people on this board to break the covid rules to get entry to the stadium and other venues. Also, how many of you actually attended family and other social gatherings, during previous lockdowns and especially last Christmas, which were against the rules - quite a few I would hazard a guess. The word hypocrites comes to mind.

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It stated on page 8. ****ing moronic as always

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Originally Posted by blue matt

its surely all about opinions, some might see XYZ as lefty / righty, other might not, but people can not call foul when someone points out the article is left leaning but feel its ok shout down a article from the right, it has to work both ways

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Show us an example of where someone has wrongly said an article is a load of shit when it’s been in the mail or written by a right leaning journalist.

Because as far as I can see they’re usually right to call it out. Whereas James has just invented that this guy is a “far leftie” out of nowhere.

People call out the mail because it is absolute rot, maybe the fact you read it and agree with it is why you vote Tory and for brexit despite still not being able to point out any positives of it.

The problem isn’t people calling out “right” and “left” the problem is you can’t understand why people don’t trust certain publications. Despite it being common accepted knowledge as to why.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

I'd completely agree. For someone who comes on here and argues that fact is so much more important than opinion, posting a week's COVID data (in the same way as he selectively posts trade data) implies that he thinks the rest of us are a bit stupid.

Wind-up merchant, surely?

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I posted the data on percentage of the population with a booster vaccine (UK is 2nd in Europe) and the number of deaths per capita for the last week (we are 31st).

If you are interested in facts over opinion then you would respect this information.

However, since you ask, I have looked at the covid deaths per capita for the last month too. UK is 30th in Europe on that

Any rational person who favours factual evidence would take from this that perhaps, just maybe, the UK government is doing better than some of you think.

But hey, insult me all you like. If you want to live in a fantasy land because you are still crying over spilt brexit that's up to you.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Show us an example of where someone has wrongly said an article is a load of shit when it’s been in the mail or written by a right leaning journalist.

Because as far as I can see they’re usually right to call it out. Whereas James has just invented that this guy is a “far leftie” out of nowhere.

People call out the mail because it is absolute rot, maybe the fact you read it and agree with it is why you vote Tory and for brexit despite still not being able to point out any positives of it.

The problem isn’t people calling out “right” and “left” the problem is you can’t understand why people don’t trust certain publications. Despite it being common accepted knowledge as to why.

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I didn't call him a "far leftie". I called him a leftie based on his articles and Twitter. Jon1959 confirmed it as he seems to know it. You seem to think it's an offensive term. It's not.

Btw do you read the Daily Mail?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The problem isn’t people calling out “right” and “left” the problem is you can’t understand why people don’t trust certain publications. Despite it being common accepted knowledge as to why.

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so you do want it all your own way then, you want to discredit stuff that you dont like / disagree with, yet dont like it when others do the same to stuff you like / agree with
at least we know where we stand, cake and eat it

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Originally Posted by blue matt

so you do want it all your own way then, you want to discredit stuff that you dont like / disagree with, yet dont like it when others do the same to stuff you like / agree with
at least we know where we stand, cake and eat it

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Nope it’s knowing what is a trusted source and what isn’t. If you don’t know that how can one ever make an informed decision on something and not be misled by people trying to mislead?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Nope it’s knowing what is a trusted source and what isn’t. If you don’t know that how can one ever make an informed decision on something and not be misled by people trying to mislead?

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left = trusted
right = mistrusted

got it :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

left = trusted
right = mistrusted

got it :thumbup:

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Not at all but if you trust the daily mail or the express for your news more fool you.

Do you consider yourself right leaning then Matt? What particular aspects of right leaning politics speak to you?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I posted the data on percentage of the population with a booster vaccine (UK is 2nd in Europe) and the number of deaths per capita for the last week (we are 31st).

If you are interested in facts over opinion then you would respect this information.

However, since you ask, I have looked at the covid deaths per capita for the last month too. UK is 30th in Europe on that

Any rational person who favours factual evidence would take from this that perhaps, just maybe, the UK government is doing better than some of you think.

But hey, insult me all you like. If you want to live in a fantasy land because you are still crying over spilt brexit that's up to you.

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:hehe:

This is a bit like your earlier "Put up an inflammatory headline for middle class lefties to masturbate over and share on twitter and job done"

You like to present yourself as taking a completely evidence-led balanced view, but occasionally the mask slips, doesn't it James?

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

:hehe:

This is a bit like your earlier "Put up an inflammatory headline for middle class lefties to masturbate over and share on twitter and job done"

You like to present yourself as taking a completely evidence-led balanced view, but occasionally the mask slips, doesn't it James?

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Satirising people who let ideologies blind their ability to view things rationally isn't a mask slipping..

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Satirising people who let ideologies blind their ability to view things rationally isn't a mask slipping..

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I think this is your code for people who don't share the same ideology as you. Anyway, have a nice evening. I hope you got your tea in the end.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

I think this is your code for people who don't share the same ideology as you. Anyway, have a nice evening. I hope you got your tea in the end.

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Not at all. As long as people are reasonable and rational it's all good.

Look at the name of this thread for a start - that's the level of starting point for some people. Dragging things towards the centre can be hard work!

I did, thanks. A nice schnitzel 👍

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Not at all. As long as people are reasonable and rational it's all good.

Look at the name of this thread for a start - that's the level of starting point for some people. Dragging things towards the centre can be hard work!

I did, thanks. A nice schnitzel 👍

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Excellent - I bloody love schnitzels!

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Not at all but if you trust the daily mail or the express for your news more fool you.

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dont read either to be honest, I have various news feeds ping though on my phone and my MBP ( oh sorry, MacBook Pro )

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Do you consider yourself right leaning then Matt? What particular aspects of right leaning politics speak to you?

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I own 2 Billy Bragg CD's, so no

but seriously

I have spent my life Voting Labour or Plaid , I was a GMB Union rep for a few years, I have only once voted Conservative, so I dont class myself as right leaning, but as I have grown slightly older I have certainly moved away from the left ( but not in favour of the right ) I guess I just want all to have a equal shot at life BUT I dont want the working class to be penalised by the " too lazy to work lot " ( having worked as a carpenter for the local council / housing association I have seen it all ), I do get annoyed when I see people playing the system to screw it over, I guess thats right wing to you though

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Originally Posted by blue matt

left = trusted
right = mistrusted

got it :thumbup:

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You think the Guardian is left ?

It's Liberal

The Daily Mail ......together with The Sun about as right wing as you can get in the media

Tell me you are joking

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Not at all. As long as people are reasonable and rational it's all good.

Look at the name of this thread for a start - that's the level of starting point for some people. Dragging things towards the centre can be hard work!

I did, thanks. A nice schnitzel 👍

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A Quiet Monkfish is NOT left wing I can assure you of that

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You think the Guardian is left ?

It's Liberal

The Daily Mail ......together with The Sun about as right wing as you can get in the media

Tell me you are joking

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It was suggested that the article was written by a left leaning journo

that wasn't the point though

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Originally Posted by blue matt

dont read either to be honest, I have various news feeds ping though on my phone and my MBP ( oh sorry, MacBook Pro )

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:hehe: I do like a good ongoing joke :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

It was suggested that the article was written by a left leaning journo

that wasn't the point though

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So you agree that the Guardian is not left wing and that The Daily Mail is very right wing ?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Show us an example of where someone has wrongly said an article is a load of shit when it’s been in the mail or written by a right leaning journalist.

Because as far as I can see they’re usually right to call it out. Whereas James has just invented that this guy is a “far leftie” out of nowhere.

People call out the mail because it is absolute rot, maybe the fact you read it and agree with it is why you vote Tory and for brexit despite still not being able to point out any positives of it.

The problem isn’t people calling out “right” and “left” the problem is you can’t understand why people don’t trust certain publications. Despite it being common accepted knowledge as to why.

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