Why not take them all now, stop you getting a headache in the first place? But only if all the 4 chief medical officers in the UK say itsQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
OK to do it.
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Why not take them all now, stop you getting a headache in the first place? But only if all the 4 chief medical officers in the UK say itsQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
OK to do it.
Yes it does seem to be use of an unlicensed medicine and to the best of my knowledge the prescriber is still responsible as they know they are acting outside of the license. Further the government is blatantly advertising this unlicensed use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Ive written to our minister of health in Wales and asked that he ensures when patients are offered the Pfizer vaccine they are told ahead of the jab that it is not being given in accordance with the manufacturer's protocol, that the 12 week dose schedule is unproven, although experts believe it should be effective.
The strategy being adopted for a mass vaccination programme is flawed. There is pressure to get mass vaccination done and in the rush the basics are being swept aside. This is all to make use of a 8/9 week window where those patients who should be returning for a second jab are being displaced by those needing a first.
After that period there is no gain and all risk as the population of the UK is being given an unproven schedule. And worse that window is already being lost. 1m people vaccinated in 20+ days indicates a lack of urgency, and another day lost yesterday. Seems we only have a pandemic 5 days a week.
You said it. I quoted it direct from your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
If you read what I said, I would be very happy to take part in a trial that mixed the vaccines. I put myself forward for other trials but wasn't selected. What I did say was that it would be unfair to pass the burden of making a choice onto the patient at short notice.
Which other countries are advocating mixing the vaccines? And what data backs this up as being effective and safe?
I had a look on the MHRA website. There is no Marketing Authorisation as it is an emergency approval. The product information now says second jab 'after 3 weeks'Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Amazed to see reports over the weekend that the Chinese government are still denying the virus started in China (wuhan).....let’s hope one day the truth comes out whatever it is
England going into a lockdown. Boris will be on tele at 8pm to tell you all that we will have the virus beat in 12 weeks time thanks to a vaccine strategy that has not been tested anywhere in the world. World leaders. Getting Brexit done. 70,000 dead.
When the number of cases are increasing at an alarming rate, and NHS staff are going sick in their thousands, the government has no alternative than to go into full lockdown. It's the only thing that works. Of course the vaccine is a way out but in the meantime we will just have to get on with it even though it will be more difficult for some than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
The vaccine strategy is worrying however but, on the face of it, there is some sense in the mass of the population having some immunity by receiving the first dose sooner than they otherwise would have had.
Cases have been rising at an alarming rate for months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
As for the vaccine. What we know. Both vaccines produce a certain level of immunity when the second dose is administered 21 days after the first.
What we don't know. The level of immunity if the first dose is administered 84 days after the first.
The Government has decided to go with the thing we don't know, rather than the thing we do know.
I notice that Sturgeon has already stuck Scotland into a full lockdown this lunchtime and closed the schools also until February.
Whatever happens in Boris's speech this evening it dosn't really affect us i guess as we're already in one.
Aside from closing the schools nationwide i'm not really sure what further restrictions can be implemented?
The cynic in me (that's a big part) thinks the gap extension between doses is purely a government attempt to reduce the R rate. Someone somewhere has done a few calculations that shows having twice as many people with ~54% immunity is more effective in reducing the R rate than half of them having ~94%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
Moving universities onlineQuote:
Originally Posted by Monster munch
I thought they had denied the conspiracy theory that it originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, not that the virus originated in Wuhan.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
No, apparently it started all over the place, how, only god knows heyQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Most are already....Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I’m sure they know how most vaccines operate though, as they’ve been about quite some timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
I think the aim, and it is a perfectly reasonable one, is to stop people getting really ill and in dosing as many people as possible they will help relieve pressure on hospitals.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
My concern is that this has no data during trials, and so we may find countries (just UK at present) advocating a longer schedule have a lower efficacy than other countries. This could potentially mean us having to revaccinate much earlier than necessary. Potentially of course, it is also potentially possible that this turns out to work fine.
Yet again hes late in taking action. Hancock was pathetic on TV this morning.
I wonder if football will stop soon?
The British Boxing Board have taken action and events suspended for a month.
Time for football to take action as well.?
Drakeford was slagged off not long ago , looks like his lockdown was right and 2xweeks before everyone else
There is evidence that the Oxford vaccine will do OK with up to a 12 week window between jabs. Also evidence is that after 1 dose even those who got Covid didn't need hospitalisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
The Pfizer vaccine is different in that there is no evidence how or if a 12 week gap between jabs will work. No one knows how long immunity lasts after one jab because in trials a second dose was given after 3 weeks.
If Pfizer turned up at the MHRA with their trial data and asked if it could be approved to give a second dose after 12 weeks, they would be shown the door and told to come back when they have some evidence of effectiveness
Not fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Looking at the test results of many universities before Christmas, pointless as hardly any turned up positive covid. So why punish them even more?Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Nightingale Hospitals.
Thought I'd just 'say' it, because no-one's bothered to on the mainstream media
Hancock was questioned on them this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Missed thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Dont worry you didnt miss much his answer was a load of gibberish waffling.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
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saw this in the FT and thought it was interesting
I have absolutely no idea what that is saying. Nada. Although I expect it is interesting. If i understood it. But I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Schools were perfectly safe to go to on the first day of the new term but so unsafe they are closed for the second day and for the foreseeable.What a shambles.
Margaret Ferrier has been arrested and charged by police for her widely reported Covid rules breaches that led to the SNP suspending her - almost 14 weeks after she did the deed!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...id-rule-breach
That is incredibly slow - and given how high profile the incidents were it doesn't do much for clear messages and deterrence!
I *think* it's comparing how strict selected countries coronavirus responses have been by dateQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
It’s going to take forever to vaccinate everyone from what I can gather....all year probably
https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4N...76337514532864Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I hope to **** they’re being pessimistic.
Well to start with not every adult will want the vaccine and don't we need only 70% uptake for herd immunity? Also with even half the population is vaccined it'll be unrecognizable as a way of life to what we're living now :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
From what I gather Oxford vaccine is committed to overseas countries too so 50 million won’t go far, they can only produce 2 million a week too.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
They only really need to vaccinate those at risk of hospitalisation to lift restrictions don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
The Serum institute in India has an agreement with AZ to manufacture the Oxford vaccine for Asia and Africa. They are the biggest vaccine manufacturers in the world. They say they have already made 40m dosesQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Johnson said he hopes to have everyone over 70 plus I believe all care workers
etc vaccinated by mid Feb.
If they fail miserably to deliver this then I think thats it just resign.
Lets hope this roll out is quick and the delay to the 2nd dose proves the right one.
Another ambitious target that is unlikely to be realised. I think that target is for England as responsibility for delivering the vaccine in Wales lies with the WG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
He's fecked as it is surely? Not a chance he'll make the next election, same for Hancock & WilliamsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Yes. The WG havent made the same sort of targets . Think Gethin said Wales should be up to the same levels as the rest of the UK.I think ive read Johnsons target would be 13m. Maybe wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Gethin and Drakeford need to be up to speed at a minimum with the rest of the UK.
If Johnson delivers this and the WG are miles off then serious questions will be asked and maybe time for them to go.
Couldnt hold them to account if Johnson is miles off again though and the WG are up to the same sort of speed.
They all need to get this done as quick and effectively as possible. But please no more rubbish.
Lets hope Johnson delivers his target and the WG are as they say up to the same level.