Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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27-01-21, 09:37
Heisenberg

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

well yes, but that doesn't answer the question. This is a health issue and as such in Wales the issue wrests with the Welsh government.

There it is. It's a health issue, apparently.

Not an education issue. Not a welfare issue. It's just a health issue.

Called it.
27-01-21, 09:38
the other bob wilson

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Originally Posted by Feedback

health and health policy is a devolved matter. Wales is performing worse than England so I'd be interested to hear your views on the utterly shite Mark Drakeford and Welsh Labour.

Well, health is a devolved matter until the WAG wants to have a firebreak lockdown at a time when the UK, not English, Government is defying Sage advice by not having one and, furthermore,not extending the furlough scheme to allow the WAG to have the early autumn lockdown they wanted, so there is a clear example of Welsh, apparently devolved, health policy being dictated by Uk Government financial policy.
You Johnson apologists want it both ways, you bang on about the Union and how we’re all one country, but, as soon as you want to defend the Conservative and Unionist party, you talk as if there is no need for the independence parties in Scotland and Wales because those countries are already separate entities!
27-01-21, 09:42
lardy

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Originally Posted by Feedback

The Welsh government own our largest airport. What did they do differently that didn't happen in Gatwick or Heathrow?

No one actually uses our 'largest airport' :hehe:

Seriously, closing Heathrow and Gatwick would have a much greater impact on Wales' virus figures than closing Cardiff.
27-01-21, 09:42
Former Labour leader

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I think feedback should take the time to read this CNN report, as you get very little objectivity from a compliant UK media.
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1354...715243521?s=19
27-01-21, 09:46
Cleve van Leef

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Politicians didn’t listen to the scientists

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55820178
27-01-21, 09:56
Croesy Blue

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People need to realise this being a "health issue" is a result of the failures not the cause of it.

I can't imagine being so tribal about politics that I'd want to defend the current government.
27-01-21, 09:58
Feedback

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

There it is. It's a health issue, apparently.

Not an education issue. Not a welfare issue. It's just a health issue.

Called it.

its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.
27-01-21, 09:59
Feedback

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

It's 9.30 and you're clearly up for being argumentative and contrary today.

I'll humour you though...

Because they obviously effect health policy, you clart.

They resulted in spikes in cases, lack of safety equipment for NHS staff, thousands of deaths in care homes and the failed track and trace (aka Servo track and trace) meant thousands of people not being notified that they should isolate.

If you think they don't have any implication on health policy... Actually, we know that you know the truth but will be an argumentative tit for the sake of it.

Textbook Feedy.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm merely pointing out that the responsibility for all of that in Wales is with the Welsh government. That's the bit you can't (or don't want to) grasp.
27-01-21, 10:00
Heisenberg

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

I'll bite.

If it's just a health issue, why aren't PHE and the NHS in charge of making all of the decisions regarding the pandemic?
27-01-21, 10:00
Croesy Blue

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

It's become a health issue due to all the other failures. There is no argument to be had with that.

Why have so many other island nations managed to stop it becomming "very much a health issue"?
27-01-21, 10:02
Feedback

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Well, health is a devolved matter until the WAG wants to have a firebreak lockdown at a time when the UK, not English, Government is defying Sage advice by not having one and, furthermore,not extending the furlough scheme to allow the WAG to have the early autumn lockdown they wanted, so there is a clear example of Welsh, apparently devolved, health policy being dictated by Uk Government financial policy.
You Johnson apologists want it both ways, you bang on about the Union and how we’re all one country, but, as soon as you want to defend the Conservative and Unionist party, you talk as if there is no need for the independence parties in Scotland and Wales because those countries are already separate entities!

Johnson's a Tory **** and has handled the pandemic in England pretty poorly. That does not excuse Mark Drakeford and his shit show in Wales.

you even say yourself that Drakeford enacted our own firebreak lockdown, so why was Drakeford sat on his arse doing nothing when Johnson wasn't listening to Sage advice. Why didn't Drakeford act? We could have had a lockdown but Drakeford chose not to.
27-01-21, 10:02
lardy

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

Imagine being so compelled to defend the Tories that you come out with this. :frown:
27-01-21, 10:03
Feedback

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I'll bite.

If it's just a health issue, why aren't PHE and the NHS in charge of making all of the decisions regarding the pandemic?

I'm pretty sure the DHSS dictates the policy that we are seeing, it is why so many in England quite correctly criticise Matt Hancock
27-01-21, 10:04
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not disagreeing, I'm merely pointing out that the responsibility for all of that in Wales is with the Welsh government. That's the bit you can't (or don't want to) grasp.

Ummm... Who is in charge of track and trace? PPE? "Putting a protective ring around care homes"? Delaying the initial lockdown? Defending high profile rule breakers and destroying public trust? Deciding whether Cheltenham festival and other high profile sporting events could go ahead?

Nothing devolved in that lot.
27-01-21, 10:04
Feedback

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Originally Posted by lardy

No one actually uses our 'largest airport' :hehe:

Seriously, closing Heathrow and Gatwick would have a much greater impact on Wales' virus figures than closing Cardiff.

I use it, it was open an awful lot across the summer and into autumn - I used to fly from their 3 or 4 times a week.
27-01-21, 10:05
Feedback

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Originally Posted by lardy

Imagine being so compelled to defend the Tories that you come out with this. :frown:

I'm not defending the Tories, I can't see how Covid19 can be considered an education or welfare issue.
27-01-21, 10:05
Heisenberg

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm pretty sure the DHSS dictates the policy that we are seeing, it is why so many in England quite correctly criticise Matt Hancock

The pandemic response is dictated by DHSS policy...

Is that your final answer?
27-01-21, 10:06
Croesy Blue

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I use it, it was open an awful lot across the summer and into autumn - I used to fly from their 3 or 4 times a week.

What the **** has that got to do with anything :hehe:

Well done on taking some flights mate :thumbup:
27-01-21, 10:06
Feedback

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Ummm... Who is in charge of track and trace? PPE? "Putting a protective ring around care homes"? Delaying the initial lockdown? Defending high profile rule breakers and destroying public trust? Deciding whether Cheltenham festival and other high profile sporting events could go ahead?

Nothing devolved in that lot.

Why couldn't WG develop their own track and trace app? Everything else you mention was also within WG's power, if they wished.
27-01-21, 10:06
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not defending the Tories, I can't see how Covid19 can be considered an education or welfare issue.

Are your kids in school today?
27-01-21, 10:06
Croesy Blue

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not defending the Tories, I can't see how Covid19 can be considered an education or welfare issue.

Because you're thick or being obtuse?
27-01-21, 10:06
Croesy Blue

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Why couldn't WG develop their own track and trace app? Everything else you mention was also within WG's power, if they wished.

**** off :hehe:
27-01-21, 10:07
Feedback

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

The pandemic response is dictated by DHSS policy...

Is that your final answer?

no. that's not what I said at all. The DHSS is responsible for health and welfare.
27-01-21, 10:07
Feedback

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

**** off :hehe:

touch a nerve
27-01-21, 10:07
Heisenberg

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

Why couldn't WG develop their own track and trace app? Everything else you mention was also within WG's power, if they wished.

Now you're just lying.
27-01-21, 10:07
lardy

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I use it, it was open an awful lot across the summer and into autumn - I used to fly from their 3 or 4 times a week.

About as many people use Heathrow per week as use Cardiff per year.
27-01-21, 10:08
Feedback

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Are your kids in school today?

one is, two are being schooled from home.

that's a consequence of the pandemic, not a cause.
27-01-21, 10:08
Heisenberg

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

no. that's not what I said at all. The DHSS is responsible for health and welfare.

Welfare.... I thought it was just a health issue?
27-01-21, 10:08
lardy

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not defending the Tories, I can't see how Covid19 can be considered an education or welfare issue.

Because humans move around, mate.
27-01-21, 10:08
Feedback

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Now you're just lying.

no I'm not. of the things you listed, tell me what was outside of WGs powers?
27-01-21, 10:08
Heisenberg

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

one is, two are being schooled from home.

that's a consequence of the pandemic, not a cause.

Ahhh... So the pandemic is effecting education and welfare now.

Just a health issue though.
27-01-21, 10:09
Heisenberg

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

no I'm not. of the things you listed, tell me what was outside of WGs powers?

Literally all of them. Like I already said.
27-01-21, 10:09
Feedback

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Welfare.... I thought it was just a health issue?

the cause of Covid19 is a health issue. The consequence of Covid19 is much broader.
27-01-21, 10:09
Feedback

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Ahhh... So the pandemic is effecting education and welfare now.

Just a health issue though.

the cause is just a health issue.
27-01-21, 10:09
Feedback

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Originally Posted by lardy

About as many people use Heathrow per week as use Cardiff per year.

and? the airport was still open.
27-01-21, 10:10
Feedback

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Because you're thick or being obtuse?

really. if you say so.
27-01-21, 10:10
Feedback

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Originally Posted by lardy

Because humans move around, mate.

yes, so what?
27-01-21, 10:10
Feedback

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Literally all of them. Like I already said.

then you're wrong.
27-01-21, 10:13
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by Feedback

then you're wrong.

Prove it.
27-01-21, 10:13
Rjk

Re: Coronavirus update

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Originally Posted by Feedback

its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

Failing to do anything to prevent or test people entering the country has been a failing of the UK government.
The mixed messaging being sent out by prominent Tories, eat out to help out, driving to barnard castle etc again the UK government.
Millions of pounds given to tory donors to provide goods and services they had no track record of doing.

Test and trace has been an unmitigated disaster.

These are the things that other countries have done to control the virus.

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