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Wales-Bales
I don't really care about the reporter, I just take note of what he reportod on, which includes documentary evidence from congessional staff members who investigated the Awan case. So, it's been swept under the carpet. Nobody is surprised given the implications. What is clear is that you are a Washington Post deciple, and in the future if I want to know your opinion on anything I will just consult with the WAPO! Incidentally their reporter wasn't even in court yesterday, and he published his account before the hearing had even ended.
I don't think there is much room for opinion, just the resolution of a case by investigators overseen by a member of the Trump transition team who was personally interviewed by Trump before appointment in terms that could not be clearer that there was not a shred of worthwhile evidence to support the breathless drivel you have been posting for the last year.
I never expected you to recognise how completely wide of the mark your pronouncements and baseless innuendo have been on this over the last year but if you need the facts confirmed by reading verbatim details of the court settlement in the Washington Post or any other media outlet then don't let me stop you!
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cyril evans awaydays
I don't think there is much room for opinion, just the resolution of a case by investigators overseen by a member of the Trump transition team who was personally interviewed by Trump before appointment in terms that could not be clearer that there was not a shred of worthwhile evidence to support the breathless drivel you have been posting for the last year.
I never expected you to recognise how completely wide of the mark your pronouncements and baseless innuendo have been on this over the last year but if you need the facts confirmed by reading verbatim details of the court settlement in the Washington Post or any other media outlet then don't let me stop you!
Your explanation would have some merit only if no evidence was uncovered by the congressional investigators. Neither you nor the Washington Post have made any attempt to explain that one away.
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Wales-Bales
Conjugate the verb "to deflect"
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Wales-Bales
Your explanation would have some merit only if no evidence was uncovered by the congressional investigators. Neither you nor the Washington Post have made any attempt to explain that one away.
It might come as a bit of a shock to you but the 18 month investigation was not undertaken by me or The Washington Post but by a team under the control of a Federal Prosecutor hand-picked by Trump into the role. After considering all the evidence it concluded in its own words as recorded in the Daily Caller article:
"More specifically, the Government agrees that the public allegations that your client stole U.S. House of Representatives ('House') equipment and engaged in unauthorized or illegal conduct involving House computer systems do not form the basis of any conduct relevant to the determination of the sentence in this case," the plea agreement states.
"The Government conducted a thorough investigation of those allegations, including interviewing approximately 40 witnesses; taking custody of the House Democratic Caucus server, along with other computers, hard drives, and electronic devices; examining those devices, including inspecting their physical condition and analyzing log-in and usage data; reviewing electronic communications between pertinent House employees; consulting with the House Office of General Counsel and House information technology personnel to access and/or collect evidence; and questioning your client during numerous voluntary interviews,” according to the plea agreement.
This clearly shows that the conclusions were reached after relevant consultation with congressional investigators. You might not like the conclusions but unless the Trump hand-picked Federal Prosecutor failed to ensure due process then it would appear justice has been served. Obviously you will have evidence to the contrary that is more substantive than sour grapes.
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cyril evans awaydays
It might come as a bit of a shock to you but the 18 month investigation was not undertaken by me or The Washington Post but by a team under the control of a Federal Prosecutor hand-picked by Trump into the role. After considering all the evidence it concluded in its own words as recorded in the Daily Caller article:
"More specifically, the Government agrees that the public allegations that your client stole U.S. House of Representatives ('House') equipment and engaged in unauthorized or illegal conduct involving House computer systems do not form the basis of any conduct relevant to the determination of the sentence in this case," the plea agreement states.
"The Government conducted a thorough investigation of those allegations, including interviewing approximately 40 witnesses; taking custody of the House Democratic Caucus server, along with other computers, hard drives, and electronic devices; examining those devices, including inspecting their physical condition and analyzing log-in and usage data; reviewing electronic communications between pertinent House employees; consulting with the House Office of General Counsel and House information technology personnel to access and/or collect evidence; and questioning your client during numerous voluntary interviews,” according to the plea agreement.
This clearly shows that the conclusions were reached after relevant consultation with congressional investigators. You might not like the conclusions but unless the Trump hand-picked Federal Prosecutor failed to ensure due process then it would appear justice has been served. Obviously you will have evidence to the contrary that is more substantive than sour grapes.
An interesting detail has emerged from the plea offer made to Imran Awan by Jessie K.Liu, United States Attorney District of Columbia, that the Washington Post completely failed to report.
"Your client further understands that this Agreement is binding only upon the Criminal and Superior Court Divisions of the United States Attomey's Office for the District of Columbia. This Agreement does not bind the Civil Division of this Office or any other United States
Attomey's Office, nor does it bind any other state, local, or federal prosecutor. It also does not bar or compromise any civil, tax, or administrative claim pending or that may be made against your client."
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Attorney General Sessions have a Federal Prosecutor working for him based in Utah, who has already empanelled a Grand Jury? I'm not saying there is any connection, but how funny would that be!
PS I think you are referring to District of Columbia state prosecutor are you not?
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Wales-Bales
An interesting detail has emerged from the plea offer made to Imran Awan by Jessie K.Liu, United States Attorney District of Columbia, that the Washington Post completely failed to report.
"Your client further understands that this Agreement is binding only upon the Criminal and Superior Court Divisions of the United States Attomey's Office for the District of Columbia. This Agreement does not bind the Civil Division of this Office or any other United States
Attomey's Office, nor does it bind any other state, local, or federal prosecutor. It also does not bar or compromise any civil, tax, or administrative claim pending or that may be made against your client."
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Attorney General Sessions have a Federal Prosecutor working for him based in Utah, who has already empanelled a Grand Jury? I'm not saying there is any connection, but how funny would that be!
PS I think you are referring to District of Columbia state prosecutor are you not?
See if you can spot what this startling new bit of straw clutching has in common with completely unrelated plea bargain cases copied randomly off the internet. Could it be some kind of standard waiver???? Don't let me stop your denial though!
This agreement applies only to the criminal violations described and does not apply to any civil matter or any civil forfeiture proceeding except as specifically set forth. This agreement binds only the United States Attorney's Office of the Western District of Oklahoma and does not bind any other federal, state, or local prosecuting, administrative, or regulatory authority.
The defendant understands that this agreement is only binding on the Office of the United States Attorney for the District of New Mexico and the Office of Consumer Litigation of the United States Department of Justice. Nothing in this agreement shall bind any other federal, state or local agency.
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cyril evans awaydays
It might come as a bit of a shock to you but the 18 month investigation was not undertaken by me or The Washington Post but by a team under the control of a Federal Prosecutor hand-picked by Trump into the role.
BTW why was the lead prosecutor Michael Morando replaced by J.P. Coomey days before the latest hearing? Any news from the Washington Post on this latest development?
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cyril evans awaydays
See if you can spot what this startling new bit of straw clutching has in common with completely unrelated plea bargain cases copied randomly off the internet. Could it be some kind of standard waiver???? Don't let me stop your denial though!
This agreement applies only to the criminal violations described and does not apply to any civil matter or any civil forfeiture proceeding except as specifically set forth. This agreement binds only the United States Attorney's Office of the Western District of Oklahoma and does not bind any other federal, state, or local prosecuting, administrative, or regulatory authority.
The defendant understands that this agreement is only binding on the Office of the United States Attorney for the District of New Mexico and the Office of Consumer Litigation of the United States Department of Justice. Nothing in this agreement shall bind any other federal, state or local agency.
I copied it directly from the Awan plea offer, it's at the top of page 10 :thumbup:
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Wales-Bales
I copied it directly from the Awan plea offer, it's at the top of page 10 :thumbup:
I know. I copied these from two unrelated cases in two different states and they say exactly the same thing. It's almost like they use a template or something but you carry on believing that this is specially inserted for conspiracy theory cases if you want!
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cyril evans awaydays
I know. I copied these from two unrelated cases in two different states and they say exactly the same thing. It's almost like they use a template or something but you carry on believing that this is specially inserted for conspiracy theory cases if you want!
I will continue to monitor developments from a neutral vantage point, as opposed to your good self who has clearly nailed your colours to the Washington Post mast :biggrin:
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cyril evans awaydays
"The Government conducted a thorough investigation of those allegations, including interviewing approximately 40 witnesses; taking custody of the House Democratic Caucus server, along with other computers, hard drives, and electronic devices; examining those devices, including inspecting their physical condition and analyzing log-in and usage data; reviewing electronic communications between pertinent House employees; consulting with the House Office of General Counsel and House information technology personnel to access and/or collect evidence; and questioning your client during numerous voluntary interviews,” according to the plea agreement.
This article identifies some problematic aspects of the case.
https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/...or-imran-awan/
Forget Trump, forget the Washington Post, just look at the facts of the matter.
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Wales-Bales
You seem absolutely transfixed by the fact that the filleting of this conspiracy nonsense was first reported in the Washington Post. It could have come from a dozen other reports as the facts speak for themselves. The US government via the Department of Justice through the office of Jessie Liu conducted a thorough investigation and found no evidence to support any of the assertions made through the Daily Caller investigative reports. The plea bargain attached confirms this.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...-Agreement.pdf
I am sure that the House Investigators named in the article pleading with Trump to reopen the case have the opportunity to dispute the attributions in the plea but that does not appear to be the case. The rest of the article is just a cut and paste from Rosiak's views. So either Trump's hand-picked appointee has been got at or it was all baloney to begin with!
Like I said if you want to work through the grieving process then don't let me stop you though it looks like you might be in the denial phase for some while yet.
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cyril evans awaydays
You seem absolutely transfixed by the fact that the filleting of this conspiracy nonsense was first reported in the Washington Post. It could have come from a dozen other reports as the facts speak for themselves. The US government via the Department of Justice through the office of Jessie Liu conducted a thorough investigation and found no evidence to support any of the assertions made through the Daily Caller investigative reports. The plea bargain attached confirms this.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...-Agreement.pdf
I am sure that the House Investigators named in the article pleading with Trump to reopen the case have the opportunity to dispute the attributions in the plea but that does not appear to be the case. The rest of the article is just a cut and paste from Rosiak's views. So either Trump's hand-picked appointee has been got at or it was all baloney to begin with!
Like I said if you want to work through the grieving process then don't let me stop you though it looks like you might be in the denial phase for some while yet.
Yeah, yeah, next you'll be telling me the gentle tap on the wrist Blair received for the WMD fiasco was entirely appropriate, since he wasn't found guilty of anything. Seen it all a hundred times before cyril, if you don't ask the right questions or look at specific evidence, you can manufacture any outcome you want.
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Wales-Bales
Yeah, yeah, next you'll be telling me the gentle tap on the wrist Blair received for the WMD fiasco was entirely appropriate, since he wasn't found guilty of anything. Seen it all a hundred times before cyril, if you don't ask the right questions or look at specific evidence, you can manufacture any outcome you want.
Look I understand that the only place to go when a conspiracy theory you fully supported runs into the sand is to rubbish the investigation that confirmed this. Deep state has obviously turned the hand-picked Trump attorney that was responsible for the investigation so there is little wonder that it ended like it did.
If you don't mind a little advice it would be not to use up all your "bogus investigation" ammunition on this one, you might need something in the chamber for Uranium One and Spygate!
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cyril evans awaydays
Look I understand that the only place to go when a conspiracy theory you fully supported runs into the sand is to rubbish the investigation that confirmed this. Deep state has obviously turned the hand-picked Trump attorney that was responsible for the investigation so there is little wonder that it ended like it did.
If you don't mind a little advice it would be not to use up all your "bogus investigation" ammunition on this one, you might need something in the chamber for Uranium One and Spygate!
I would agree with you if there were no evidence, but the findings of the internal investigatons are on public record. You can't be both A and non-A simultaneously, any law school rookie would know that.
https://crossexamined.org/logic-is-bedrock/
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Memos detail FBI’s ‘Hurry the F up pressure’ to probe Trump campaign
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...trump-campaign
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cyril evans awaydays
Look I understand that the only place to go when a conspiracy theory you fully supported runs into the sand is to rubbish the investigation that confirmed this. Deep state has obviously turned the hand-picked Trump attorney that was responsible for the investigation so there is little wonder that it ended like it did.
If you don't mind a little advice it would be not to use up all your "bogus investigation" ammunition on this one, you might need something in the chamber for Uranium One and Spygate!
Trump ain't buying what your selling.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhilMfCUYAISKIt?format=jpg
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Wales-Bales
Phew there's a relief. Will look out for you wandering aimlessly around Blenheim Palace in a red baseball cap next week shouting for your hero.
Bizarrely he did get one thing right though given that the only thing the Pakistani, as Trump so delicately identifies him, was charged with by his hand-picked Attorney was fraud after all!
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Re: Storm brewing in Washington DC
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cyril evans awaydays
Phew there's a relief. Will look out for you wandering aimlessly around Blenheim Palace in a red baseball cap next week shouting for your hero.
Bizarrely he did get one thing right though given that the only thing the Pakistani, as Trump so delicately identifies him, was charged with by his hand-picked Attorney was fraud after all!
It's quite a shopping list that he presented there, but the question is who knows more about DC political games, you or Trump? Who should I believe? It's like you, the Washington Post and CNN are on one side, and Trump is on the other. I've already witnessed lardy come a cropper after following a similar strategy over the Trump Russia Collusion nonsense. Will history repeat or will you be victorious?
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Wales-Bales
It's quite a shopping list that he presented there, but the question is who knows more about DC political games, you or Trump? Who should I believe? It's like you, the Washington Post and CNN are on one side, and Trump is on the other. I've already witnessed lardy come a cropper after following a similar strategy over the Trump Russia Collusion nonsense. Will history repeat or will you be victorious?
When it comes to differing views have you ever thought about sitting on the fence?
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cyril evans awaydays
When it comes to differing views have you ever thought about sitting on the fence?
I try to remain neutral, but it's not an easy job. The news media have a habit of pushing narratives, and we've known for ages about dodgy government actions going back to the days of Edgar Hoover. I also can't believe Trump would tweet any of this stuff without having any knowledge about what is going on. He gets to see all the unredacted staff, and former NSA chief Admiral Rogers briefed him personally on all of the spying stuff.
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Wales-Bales
I try to remain neutral, but it's not an easy job. The news media have a habit of pushing narratives, and we've known for ages about dodgy government actions going back to the days of Edgar Hoover. I also can't believe Trump would tweet any of this stuff without having any knowledge about what is going on. He gets to see all the unredacted staff, and former NSA chief Admiral Rogers briefed him personally on all of the spying stuff.
See if you can maintain your famed neutrality after reading and watching this.
https://hillreporter.com/pat-roberts...-gods-plan-300
While even I can see that this bloke's name is obviously too similar to Clinton for this to be genuine.
https://hillreporter.com/trumps-pers...aid-wages-3498
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the other bob wilson
And Mr Scrooge only paid him $75,000 a year too ... wait a minute, how do I apply for the job!
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Wales-Bales
And Mr Scrooge only paid him $75,000 a year too ... wait a minute, how do I apply for the job!
I'd start by sending him copies of your posts on here over the last two years.
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cyril evans awaydays
I'd start by sending him copies of your posts on here over the last two years.
And telling him to cancel all meetings for the next month while he tries to work through them.
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cyril evans awaydays
I'd start by sending him copies of your posts on here over the last two years.
Admittedly my CV is more impressive than lardy's regarding the things we get right :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
Admittedly my CV is more impressive than lardy's regarding the things we get right :biggrin:
Do "made up facts", as you called them, count as things you've got right then?
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the other bob wilson
Do "made up facts", as you called them, count as things you've got right then?
They are neither made-up facts nor disproved facts. They are the views of people who should have a fair idea about what is going on.
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Wales-Bales
They are neither made-up facts nor disproved facts. They are the views of people who should have a fair idea about what is going on.
There are facts and non facts, nothing else - made up facts and disproved facts do not exist, it's impossible for them to do so. Granted, it seems that it's so much harder to tell facts from non facts these days, but you have to try and find a way to do so.
You've outlined how you do it and it seems a little naive to me if I may say so, but each to their own and all that. The trouble is that you are very selective when applying that label "people who should have a fair idea about what is going on" aren't you - let's take current and past Presidents of the USA and the beaten candidate (you know, the one who got more votes than the winner!) in the last Presidential election as examples.
Two of the three Presidents before this one must surely have had a fair idea about what is going shouldn't they and yet you never appear to believe anything they do or say, the same applies to the beaten candidate in 2016 - all three of them, obviously, do not have "a fair idea of what is going on" as far as you are concerned and yet you present so much of what the current President says as fact.
For myself, I've said before that I prefer to use fact checkers rather than the men and women themselves as an aid towards deciding what are facts and non facts. It had been a while since I checked the one I use for American related issues, so I've just had a look this morning and you'll be pleased to know that your idol, the man who can do no wrong in your eyes, the man who "should have a fair idea of what's going on" is scoring a little better on the Truth o Meter these days;-
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...truth-o-meter/
Sadly though, your man is still not doing well overall - for every time he says something that can be taken as true or even half true, there are two occasions when he says something which is mostly false or a downright lie;-
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Compare his figures with the two ex Presidents who you think did not "have a fair idea of what is going on"
Trump's predecessor is thought to have been at least half truthful three times for every time he utters a falsehood and for Bill Clinton, it's much the same - as, indeed, it is for his wife.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bill-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalit...llary-clinton/
Now, of course, I realise that the people working for the fact checker are probably all socialists and members of the Fabian Society just like Theresa May and Angela Merkel are, but I'll take that risk for now.
I'm dogmatic and quite one eyed in my political thinking and have the unfortunate habit of still thinking of things in terms of red and blue or left and right, but my dogma is as nothing compared to you, the man who tries to make out that he has moved beyond such old fashioned concepts!
One last thing, you really should realise that self praise is no recommendation whatsoever.
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the other bob wilson
There are facts and non facts, nothing else - made up facts and disproved facts do not exist, it's impossible for them to do so. Granted, it seems that it's so much harder to tell facts from non facts these days, but you have to try and find a way to do so.
You've outlined how you do it and it seems a little naive to me if I may say so, but each to their own and all that. The trouble is that you are very selective when applying that label "people who should have a fair idea about what is going on" aren't you - let's take current and past Presidents of the USA and the beaten candidate (you know, the one who got more votes than the winner!) in the last Presidential election as examples.
Two of the three Presidents before this one must surely have had a fair idea about what is going shouldn't they and yet you never appear to believe anything they do or say, the same applies to the beaten candidate in 2016 - all three of them, obviously, do not have "a fair idea of what is going on" as far as you are concerned and yet you present so much of what the current President says as fact.
For myself, I've said before that I prefer to use fact checkers rather than the men and women themselves as an aid towards deciding what are facts and non facts. It had been a while since I checked the one I use for American related issues, so I've just had a look this morning and you'll be pleased to know that your idol, the man who can do no wrong in your eyes, the man who "should have a fair idea of what's going on" is scoring a little better on the Truth o Meter these days;-
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...truth-o-meter/
Sadly though, your man is still not doing well overall - for every time he says something that can be taken as true or even half true, there are two occasions when he says something which is mostly false or a downright lie;-
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Compare his figures with the two ex Presidents who you think did not "have a fair idea of what is going on"
Trump's predecessor is thought to have been at least half truthful three times for every time he utters a falsehood and for Bill Clinton, it's much the same - as, indeed, it is for his wife.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bill-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalit...llary-clinton/
Now, of course, I realise that the people working for the fact checker are probably all socialists and members of the Fabian Society just like Theresa May and Angela Merkel are, but I'll take that risk for now.
I'm dogmatic and quite one eyed in my political thinking and have the unfortunate habit of still thinking of things in terms of red and blue or left and right, but my dogma is as nothing compared to you, the man who tries to make out that he has moved beyond such old fashioned concepts!
One last thing, you really should realise that self praise is no recommendation whatsoever.
The simple version is an outsider has made it into the Oval Office, and everybody from the media to past presidents are terrified of what he may uncover. Hence a plot was hatched to prevent said outsider from winning the election, and then to remove him from office once he became president. The situation is still very fluid and it has neither been proven nor disproven to any satisfactory level. We are still waiting for the knockout blow from either side. I read both sides of the the arguement, so I am aware of an alternative narrative and the facts surrounding them, while others can't see past the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, etc..
Therefore I will be keeping an open mind while people are still writing articles such as these ...
http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/395...trump-campaign
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/09/di...2016-election/
http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/396...ump-dossier%3F
May the best team win!
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Wales-Bales
The simple version is an outsider has made it into the Oval Office, and everybody from the media to past presidents are terrified of what he may uncover. Hence a plot was hatched to prevent said outsider from winning the election, and then to remove him from office once he became president. The situation is still very fluid and it has neither been proven nor disproven to any satisfactory level. We are still waiting for the knockout blow from either side. I read both sides of the the arguement, so I am aware of an alternative narrative and the facts surrounding them, while others can't see past the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, etc..
Therefore I will be keeping an open mind while people are still writing articles such as these ...
http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/395...trump-campaign
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/09/di...2016-election/
http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/396...ump-dossier%3F
May the best team win!
So, who is the last "outsider" to become President?
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the other bob wilson
So, who is the last "outsider" to become President?
You'd have to go back a bit. In recent times, the Bush Sr. > Clinton > Bush Jr. > Obama > (Hillary) path for the transition of power was seen as very desirable for some, but Trump replacing Hillary has really messed things up. I think it's a good idea to be looking into any plots that may have been hatched in order to subvert the democratic process. However, if nothing transpires, we can simply revert back to the status quo. On the other hand if any wrongdoing is uncovered, a good opportunity to clean up the system will have presented itself. Surely this is a win-win situation, so why in one side in perpetual panic mode?
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PRESS RELEASE | JULY 10, 2018
Goodlatte Statement on Lisa Page Defying Congressional Subpoena
Washington, D.C. – House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) issued the following statement after Lisa Page decided to defy the Committee’s subpoena:
“It appears that Lisa Page has something to hide. She plans to blatantly defy a congressional subpoena by refusing to appear for her deposition. She has known for months that the House Judiciary Committee has sought her testimony as part of our joint investigation with the Oversight Committee into decisions made by the Justice Department in 2016, and she has no excuse for her failure to appear. Lisa Page is a key witness, and it is critical that she come before our committees to answer questions as part of our investigation.
“We will use all tools at our disposal to obtain her testimony. Americans across the country are alarmed at the bias exhibited by top officials at the Justice Department and FBI, and it is imperative Congress conduct vigorous oversight to ensure that never happens again.”
https://judiciary.house.gov/press-re...onal-subpoena/
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You reckon Reagan was an outsider then? I can see what you mean about the four Presidents before Trump all being a little samey in some ways, But I don't see Reagan as an outsider - the first President I can remember is Kennedy and I don't think there has been what I would call an outsider as President among those I can recall - Trump is the closest one to it I suppose, but he always strikes me as someone who would love to become an "insider" if he could.
Anyway, if we say you're right, that means that there will be plenty of influential people still around who can remember what it was like with the outsider Reagan in charge and don't you think their experience of the Reagan years would make them better able to cope with the threat Trump poses to them better than being in a perpetual panic ?
Whose campaign do you think the decision to reopen the investigation into Hilary Clinton's e-mail account shortly before the election by an organisation which you say is supposed to be on the side of the globalist elite damaged most?
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the other bob wilson
You reckon Reagan was an outsider then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcL6Xc_eMM
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the other bob wilson
Whose campaign do you think the decision to reopen the investigation into Hilary Clinton's e-mail account shortly before the election by an organisation which you say is supposed to be on the side of the globalist elite damaged most?
The New York FBI forced the reopening of the Hillary e-mail server investigation after classified information was found on the Anthony Weiner/Huma Abedin laptop, which the dismissed former Deputy FBI Director McCabe tried to ignore. All of this is well documented.
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The New York FBI forced the reopening of the Hillary e-mail server investigation after classified information was found on the Anthony Weiner/Huma Abedin laptop, which the dismissed former Deputy FBI Director McCabe tried to ignore. All of this is well documented.
Thanks for that, but you didn't answer my question.
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the other bob wilson
Thanks for that, but you didn't answer my question.
And never will
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And never will
I don't have all the answers, but I do know your Trump Russia Collusion story was a load of bull. Ditto Stormy, etc.. :biggrin:
