Stay in the EU petition

I notice yet another post was deleted from here :hehe:

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Originally Posted by stevo

Yes, but won what? A leave with or without a deal or does it not really matter as long as we leave?

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I asked this question in a post that Mike Morris saw fit to delete.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Get some reading glasses ...

"A recent poll suggested 100,000 German jobs could be affected by a no-deal Brexit.

The BDI Federation of German Industry warned Germany would lose at least 0.5% of its GDP - and this at a time when the German economy is already heading south."

The EU also have to deal with Trump, who is going to aggressively renegotiate their current trade deal.

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Got reading glasses thanks.

Yes, Brexit is bad for the German economy. Not disputed.

How do they need us more than we need them though?

Please explain.

...Actually don't bother.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Got reading glasses thanks.

Yes, Brexit is bad for the German economy. Not disputed.

How do they need us more than we need them though?

Please explain.

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We can make a trade deal with the US on the day we leave.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...rump-can-help/

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

We can make a trade deal with the US on the day we leave.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...rump-can-help/

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Oh yippee, so we can be bent over backwards by Trump just so we can get a deal. Remember his slogan America First, we have no bargaining chips in those negotiations whatsoever. What do you think the US will demand from us to get a deal?

Considering we can't even negotiate leaving the EU, we are highly unlikely to be able to get a deal from the States that is good for this country.

The other thing is that it takes years to negotiate a trade deal, we will not have anything signed the day after we leave the EU.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

No, i don't make it sound like that. That is the opinion of the new German Chancellor in waiting. But obviously everyone will be affected. I believe one of the reasons France may want us to leave is because we are the biggest critics of the common agricultural policy which was originally conceived to protect french farmers. And as we have seen in the past any attempt to change it has the tractors out in force and the french government caves in and then vetos any change because they don't have the bottle to fight their farmers (Or anyone else history may suggest!)

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I would suggest history would suggest different, Napoleon certainly spent plenty of years fighting the rest of Europe

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Got reading glasses thanks.

Yes, Brexit is bad for the German economy. Not disputed.

How do they need us more than we need them though?

Please explain.

...Actually don't bother.

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No, please bother.

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Originally Posted by speedyblue

Oh yippee, so we can be bent over backwards by Trump just so we can get a deal. Remember his slogan America First, we have no bargaining chips in those negotiations whatsoever. What do you think the US will demand from us to get a deal?

Considering we can't even negotiate leaving the EU, we are highly unlikely to be able to get a deal from the States that is good for this country.

The other thing is that it takes years to negotiate a trade deal, we will not have anything signed the day after we leave the EU.

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Project FEAR is alive and well :wink:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Project FEAR is alive and well :wink:

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Whereas you are prepared to place this country's future in the hand of some speculative whims and distant possibilities. Grow up please - this is serious.

Brexit has cost the economy £550 million a week since the referendum. Put that on the side of the bus :biggrin:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4109216.html

Anyone who says they need us more than we need them is 100% barmy.

"The EU will also have to deal with Trump, who is going to aggressively renegotiate their current trade deal."

And then

"We can make a trade deal with the US on the day we leave"

I mean...Bloody hell.

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Originally Posted by speedyblue

I would suggest history would suggest different, Napoleon certainly spent plenty of years fighting the rest of Europe

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and the result was??????????????????????????????????//

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Whereas you are prepared to place this country's future in the hand of some speculative whims and distant possibilities. Grow up please - this is serious.

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no its not. If you believe anything being discussed on this board is "Serious" you lead a very quiet and un-serious life. good luck to you. :wave:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Anyone who says they need us more than we need them is 100% barmy.

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What's barmy is living in a country where half of the people are scared of their own shadows :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

no its not. If you believe anything being discussed on this board is "Serious" you lead a very quiet and un-serious life. good luck to you. :wave:

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So because it's discussed on here, it's not serious? People have been laid off already and brexit hasn't even happened yet.

Unfortunately, the people who don't think it's serious have the same voting power as those who do.

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Originally Posted by lardy

"The EU will also have to deal with Trump, who is going to aggressively renegotiate their current trade deal."

And then

"We can make a trade deal with the US on the day we leave"

I mean...Bloody hell.

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Cognitive dissonance is so strong among certain sectors.

It’s not worth debating on this board, there has not even after all these pages been one decent reason given to leave that isn’t completely easily proved to be nonsense.

The brexit people were sold doesn’t exist, anyone who still wants it is happy for the country to become an economic backwater just so they can say they’ve “won”.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Whereas you are prepared to place this country's future in the hand of some speculative whims and distant possibilities. Grow up please - this is serious.

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You've been listening to too much of that serious BBC stuff :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Cognitive dissonance is so strong among certain sectors.

It’s not worth debating on this board, there has not even after all these pages been one decent reason given to leave that isn’t completely easily proved to be nonsense.

The brexit people were sold doesn’t exist, anyone who still wants it is happy for the country to become an economic backwater just so they can say they’ve “won”.

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They tell me if you had cognitive dissonance, then you probably wouldn't be aware of it :wink:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

no its not. If you believe anything being discussed on this board is "Serious" you lead a very quiet and un-serious life. good luck to you. :wave:

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Ah ok. Brexit is just a bit of message board banter for you then?. Good to know so that those of us who think that Brexit is actually serious can just ignore you.

I lead a quiet and unserious life? I wish... :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Cognitive dissonance is so strong among certain sectors.

It’s not worth debating on this board, there has not even after all these pages been one decent reason given to leave that isn’t completely easily proved to be nonsense.

The brexit people were sold doesn’t exist, anyone who still wants it is happy for the country to become an economic backwater just so they can say they’ve “won”.

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It's incredible. A trade deal with the US is a massive opportunity when it's the UK but a real problem when it's the EU.

I find it amazing that anyone can look at what is happening and still think, yeah this is gonna work out well in the end. Even if you're dead keen on the idea of brexit, just look at the people currently in parliament. We have no chance.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You've been listening to too much of that serious BBC stuff :biggrin:

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Ok, so I get it now. Wales Bales and xsnaggle are just here for some banter, not to debate serious grown-up type stuff. I'll confess it was stupid of me to imagine otherwise.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So because it's discussed on here, it's not serious? People have been laid off already and brexit hasn't even happened yet.

Unfortunately, the people who don't think it's serious have the same voting power as those who do.

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Lardy, I meant the debate on here isn't serious in the great scheme of things, not that the subject itself isn't.

But your last comment is deeply worrying. Do you believe that people who may be deemed to not understand something as much as others might should be denied a vote?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

What's barmy is living in a country where half of the people are scared of their own shadows :thumbup:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47833702

These two ****wits, you have to laugh.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Lardy, I meant the debate on here isn't serious in the great scheme of things, not that the subject itself isn't.

But your last comment is deeply worrying. Do you believe that people who may be deemed to not understand something as much as others might should be denied a vote?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47833702 The bloke believes he's got his "identity back"!

I know you have Russian sympathies and having lived in the young "democracy" that is Azerbaijan for a few years maybe you have lost touch with the concept that, in a democracy, people CAN CHANGE THEIR ****ING MINDS.

You still haven't explained what the leave campaign actually won. Apart from bragging rights that lower this debate to nothing more than "banter" between rival fans. So, this is the perfect stage for such trivialities - providing Putin doesn't start deleting shit again.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Ok, so I get it now. Wales Bales and xsnaggle are just here for some banter, not to debate serious grown-up type stuff. I'll confess it was stupid of me to imagine otherwise.

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Not entirely just for the banter Peter but some folk on here are so far up their own ar-es that the have this compulsion to force their ideas and opinions on others despite their deeper intelligence knowing they're never going to change 1 person's mind, and even if they did it wouldn't alter squat.
Oh, and believe it or not, some on here are contentious and argumentative just to wind other people up. Shocking I know, but that's what boredom can do. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Not entirely just for the banter Peter but some folk on here are so far up their own ar-es that the have this compulsion to force their ideas and opinions on others despite their deeper intelligence knowing they're never going to change 1 person's mind, and even if they did it wouldn't alter squat.
Oh, and believe it or not, some on here are contentious and argumentative just to wind other people up. Shocking I know, but that's what boredom can do. :hehe:

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I'm nearly 60 and have been on this board for about 20 years. Please don't patronise me.

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Originally Posted by lardy

It's incredible. A trade deal with the US is a massive opportunity when it's the UK but a real problem when it's the EU.

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We can have trade deals with both :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Ok, so I get it now. Wales Bales and xsnaggle are just here for some banter, not to debate serious grown-up type stuff. I'll confess it was stupid of me to imagine otherwise.

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You can ask lardy about my analytical skillIs. The secret is to never take sides, and just look at the facts :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Lardy, I meant the debate on here isn't serious in the great scheme of things, not that the subject itself isn't.

But your last comment is deeply worrying. Do you believe that people who may be deemed to not understand something as much as others might should be denied a vote?

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I'm not talking about how much people are deemed to understand. Where did you get that from?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Lardy, I meant the debate on here isn't serious in the great scheme of things, not that the subject itself isn't.

But your last comment is deeply worrying. Do you believe that people who may be deemed to not understand something as much as others might should be denied a vote?

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Well that is a whole new can of worms. Denied the opportunity to elect a representative to act in their interests in parliament, no.

People not understanding what they are voting for is a pretty good argument for not holding referendums. But then we are denied the right to vote on all sorts of things.

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Well that is a whole new can of worms. Denied the opportunity to elect a representative to act in their interests in parliament, no.

People not understanding what they are voting for is a pretty good argument for not holding referendums. But then we are denied the right to vote on all sorts of things.

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People knew what they were voting for, you are just repeating the media construct that they didn't know.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

I'm nearly 60 and have been on this board for about 20 years. Please don't patronise me.

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I rest my case!!! But your profile says less than a year. What do your other profiles say???? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by JennyWren

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47833702 The bloke believes he's got his "identity back"!

I know you have Russian sympathies and having lived in the young "democracy" that is Azerbaijan for a few years maybe you have lost touch with the concept that, in a democracy, people CAN CHANGE THEIR ****ING MINDS.

You still haven't explained what the leave campaign actually won. Apart from bragging rights that lower this debate to nothing more than "banter" between rival fans. So, this is the perfect stage for such trivialities - providing Putin doesn't start deleting shit again.

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Now you are getting ****ing personal. You do not know I have Russian sympathies. you know sod all about me. Do not suggest I have lost touch with anything. If you had ever lived in Azerbaijan and seen how ordinary folks live (if you can call it that) you would never ever dream of making the stupid comment you did.

You haven't changed have you jirga?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I rest my case!!! But your profile says less than a year. What do your other profiles say???? :hehe:

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You rest what case?

I have only one profile. I left and re-registered. How about you?

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

Ok, so I get it now. Wales Bales and xsnaggle are just here for some banter, not to debate serious grown-up type stuff. I'll confess it was stupid of me to imagine otherwise.

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I’m still waiting for xsnaggle to answer my question from the previous page. It appears he can’t :tumbleweed:

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

You rest what case?

I have only one profile. I left and re-registered. How about you?

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Only ever one. I don't have the urge to make up new ones to get at people or to duck being banned, which is what some, like jenny wren for example!

I actually only learned of the board when I was working on the Olympics in London and a colleague asked me if I was a member. Silly thing is he left about a week after he arrived and I never found out what his name was :hehe:
By the way, the case resting, was regarding my comment about winding people up. sorry! :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by stevo

I’m still waiting for xsnaggle to answer my question from the previous page. It appears he can’t :tumbleweed:

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Sorry, missed it? What was the question?
by the way, you must learn to differentiate between, 'cant', 'doesn't want to' and 'can't be bothered'. In this case I genuinely don't recall reading it.

Assuming you can’t be bothered to turn back a page and find it - I have copied and pasted it below for your convenience:

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Brexiteers don't need to put it to another vote. They won, remember?


Yes, but won what? A leave with or without a deal or does it not really matter as long as we leave?

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Originally Posted by stevo

Assuming you can’t be bothered to turn back a page and find it - I have copied and pasted it below for your convenience:

Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Brexiteers don't need to put it to another vote. They won, remember?


Yes, but won what? A leave with or without a deal or does it not really matter as long as we leave?

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I'm quite intrigued what the pro no deal people think of the long term. Do they never want a deal with the EU?