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I haven't any proof. Evidence is plentiful though. Yesterday the US published data of new unemployment claims made there. It was 3.3 million, over four times more than at any time previously which includes the depths of the 1930s Great Depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
There is a huge difference between a recession and halting global economic activity. Keeping everybody at home for 18 months has never been tried before. How are they going to feed everybody?Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Foxy women in skimpy leather outfits? Can handle that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
But we have a vaccine for flu. And the fatality rate in every country has been over 0.1% for covid. Plus isn’t the issue not the death rate but the fact hospitals get overwhelmed because a lot of people need treatment? That causes more people to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Surely having most people working from home for a few months is going to better for the global economy than a load of people dying?
The direct death rate not being the biggest issue has been discussed so much I can’t believe people keep going back to it.
When has anyone suggested keeping people at home for 18 months?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
How long are you going to do it for then? The virus will come in 3 waves, so it's pointless doing it for a few months unless you have a long-term strategy. I reckon we will see more testing and stricter quarantine conditions. Didn't China remove all of the infected people away from their communities? You'd need massive facilities to do that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
The research pamphlet by Fauci you posted was dated 28th February 2020. Seems he has just come out in the way that Philip Schofield has just come out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The bit that you don't seem to or want to understand from the research article was that the 0.1% will not reached naturally, rather by all the draconian measures currently in place across the globe.
China did a quarantine for around 4-6 weeks and locked down wuhan. It’ll be interesting to see what happens next there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It’s not pointless doing it for a few months because you can flatten the curve. We may have to do it again and we may not, maybe things can be relaxed soon and maybe not.
It’s not like it stops everyone working anyway. Everyone I know is working as normal from home for now.
Either way it’s better than the situation in Italy and Spain.
China also sat on the virus for over 6 weeks, persecuted whistleblowers and told WHO in Jan they'd had no person to person infections. Invoking CHina in anything relating to this is an utter joke unless apportioning blame to them for the chaos caused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I’m not saying China are perfect but they managed to flatten the number of infections pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
I work for a Chinese company and spend quite a bit of time there and work with chinese colleagues by video link every day so whilst I wouldn’t trust everything their government says, I believe they have a safe number of cases for the time being.
They should be blamed for covering it up too and face sanctions but they won’t.
The Chief Medical Officer now thinks he has it
That would explain Trump's carefully considered view about opening up the US for business again. What a position to be in, either he will go down in history as being one of the greatest presidents ever for saving America, or he will be remembered as the mad fool who destroyed America.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
You do realise this is being spread by people who have no symptoms at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Given it's been covered up already, i don't believe a single figure they publish. I suspect quite a few people with coughs may very well have been disappeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
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Originally Posted by tell it like it is
On this I agree. I think they may have contained it in Wuhan. But, the rest of the most populous country in the world having few cases (and those only being imported) seems implausible.
Today's UK deaths figure makes that tweet you post looked way overoptimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Another one of your stupid either/ors. My money is firmly in the latter spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
What do you think or are you too busy self-isolating on a fence to have anything firmer than a nudge nudge wink wink as usual?
Piers Corbyn, Jeremy's brother, has a lot to say about Covid-19 on his twitter account. https://twitter.com/Piers_Corbyn?ref...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
His views have reached a wider audience.
Jeremy Corbyn’s Brother Claims Bill Gates And George Soros Are Behind Coronavirus - https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/03/je...d-coronavirus/
That's an unpleasant remark - makes you feel better ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
It's a good thing that he has based his thoughts on the latest available evidence. Regarding how he comes out of it, surely it's in the lap of the gods, isn't it? It's a bold move, so naturally the consequences will be heightened either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
We are depending on those people to be right, so let's just hope that they are :frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
What's the latest available evidence? A speculative article from a month ago rather than the data from the last month? Even for you this is a leap of faith. Are you still in mourning that your sacred Conservative Treehouse Website was blocked from Twitter for calling CoronaVirus a hoax or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Agreed, but it's going to depend on how well observed the lockdown and social isolation are - here's the post I made few days back which I think shows how both very high and very low estimates could be proved completely wrong;-Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...very-effective
Even that image is a gross simplification. It implies people only have one potential source of infection. The way that's presented, a 1 to 1 relationship means that knocking one "source" out ( by isolating ) prevents others along that source tree further down the line getting it. It's nowhere near as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Even that image is a gross simplification. It implies people only have one potential source of infection. The way that's presented, a 1 to 1 relationship means that knocking one "source" out ( by isolating ) prevents others along that source tree further down the line getting it. It's nowhere near as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It's supposed to get a message across, not be an exact replica of what will happen and it's very effective at doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
The point being that message isn't the complete one. It ignores the reality that most people have probably had the virus by now too.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
How do we know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Lunatic just like his brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
City donate 1,000 tickets to NHS workers.
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...ts-nhs-workers
How do we not know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It seems to be fairly infectious. I very much doubt any of the figures of infections are including those with no symptoms because who would know?
What I suspect ( gut feeling, not a virologist ) is it's something that is clearly pretty infectious, for the vast majority there are no symptoms or are very, very mild symptoms. Wife has a compromised immune system, she had a virus back in December. The symptoms were pretty much those attributed to covid-19. Didn't require hospitalisation thankfully. Now, we've not been abroad last year, not been in contact with people who have - so if she picked it up then would have been heavily present in UK back in December.
Poor bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
You can rest assured that Piers Corbyn, nor anyone else, will appear on the BBC to challenge the narrative because people might decide to conduct their own research to help determine whether his views have merit or not, and we can't have that.
Corbyn would no doubt mention Event 201, which he alludes in his twitter messages. A search for Event 201 at the BBC site draws a blank. It's almost as if - shock, horror - Auntie doesn't want us to know anything about it.
http://omnithought.org/blog/wp-conte...atching-tv.jpg
Interesting section below of an item in the Independents online news coverage, which I think puts the current situation in perspective. Some of the media coverage of the outbreak has been disgracefully designed to deliberately panic the public :-
‘Despite the obvious seriousness of the situation it is important to keep the threat in perspective (during the 2017-18 UK flu season there were 26,408 deaths and 1,692 in 2018-2019). The UK's chief medical officer Chris Whitty estimates a mortality rate for coronavirus of one per cent. (Other earlier estimates have been higher at between 2 to 3.4 per cent].
In comparison, SARS had a mortality rate of more than 10 per cent.’
Could it be because Piers is an utter ****wit, antisemite, climate change denying loon who makes Jeremy look like Albert Einstein? Nah, must be a CONSPIRACY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Okay, I'll play along. What is your views about Event 201? Do you believe it was sheer coincidence that a coronavirus outbreak was simulated six weeks before it occurred? :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Ok, I'll play along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
People seeing low scale epidemics around the world, concerned, role pla the scenario must clearly mean it was all orchestrated... lmfao.
It's not just toilet roll and pasta that sold old, clearly tinfoil too.
Corbyn is an idiot. He claims people haven't died of coronavirus they just happened to have coronavirus...
This is actually good news that the White House have had this data since at least the 28 February, and they have been using it for their forward planning. The public only found out about it yesterday, but what Dr Birx said last night seems to back up the observation that the old data models were wrong. At least we now know that Trump made his decision to reopen America with the help of scientific opinion, and not on a whim.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
He's saying they died with it and not of it. Well, 99% of them anyway. The Italian figures suggest hardly any people without serious pre-existing health conditions have conked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
Based upon that logic, nobody dies of AIDS... well duh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Are you seriously claiming that something that trigger pre-existing conditions ( and some without have died ) isn't the underlying cause of death? Really?