I'm suggesting it's relatively harmless to those who haven't something seriously wrong with them prior. Of course that's more acute when they're elderly who have a habit of dying when they reach 80+.
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I'm suggesting it's relatively harmless to those who haven't something seriously wrong with them prior. Of course that's more acute when they're elderly who have a habit of dying when they reach 80+.
I'm not disagreeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
The virus weakens the immune system making those symptoms deadly. No virus then there's less chance of death as the immune system would be in a better position. Generalisation, sure, but...
Some would die anyway. Some would not die in normal circumstances.
Nice to see you've backed away from Event 201...
I didn't back away from Event 201. The BBC have. I didn't make it up that there's no mention of it on their site. They have form for suppressing news as anyone familiar with my posts on the Politics forum with regard to the annual Bilderberg bash will already know.
Ah yes, the secretive Bilderberg group meetings that are well documented on the web...Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
But back to the Event 201 thing, maybe the media aren't covering it due to it being scaremongering, utter bollocks? "People that see regular local epidemics look to see what would happen in a pandemic" shocker...
We're living in an era of media saturation which can dictate how we perceive the event at the expense of objective analysis. If the BBC had announced one day in 2018 that "1500" people had died today from flu-related causes", and followed up with reports of over-run hospitals etc., I'm sure we would have been horrified. I reckon the audience for the TV News from 6pm onwards is massive and like myself most are almost in a panic by the end of the reports. Then you look at the numbers and the deaths - albeit to date - are equivalent to 9 for a city the size of Birmingham. In 2020 in the Western World we aren't as close to death as those African Countries where make shift hospitals are full of malnourished babies dying in their mothers' arms - we live in a cosy, well-managed world without the hardships other poorer people experience every day. I think it's like FDR said about 'nothing to fear but fear itself".Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Over 100,000 people tested. Over 11,000 positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
While its obvious that there are more walking around with it there is no way most people have had it. Not even close.
In my opinion of course.
Principality Stadium is to be used as a temporary hospital.
2,000 beds
51 Italian doctors have died from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
While the elderly and those with health issues are more at risk this virus and the words relatively harmless shouldnt be in the same sentence.
Yes, that is definitely normal. Nothing to see here. Everyone is just panicking because of the BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Yes, it should. Relatively harmless is apposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ess-italy-says
'More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.'
And those dying are dying because the immune system weakened by the virus, which triggers / enables those underlying illnesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Not difficult to understand, that. Without the virus, some but not all would die.
Whatever they say 51 of their doctors treating the ill have caught it and died.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Loads of people if u ask them will say they are in good health. However they may have asthma , diabetes , too high BMI , blood pressure , cholesterol.
Id love to know how they get 99% when their doctors are dying.
Temporary hospitals being set up , thousands of ventilators and extra beds , part lockdown. The government have an idea of whats coming.
Most people will come out of it with their health. But this virus is far from relatively harmless it clearly kills and not just those with serious health conditions.
Sorry didnt read the link. High amount with high blood pressure. A mate of mine is relatively fit plays football but is on blood pressure tabs.
As high blood pressure is an underlying health condition wonder if the front line staff are being tested if people are dying. Dont they call it a silent killer as people walk around without knowing it.
Or, which is more likely, she didn't have covid in December.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
If it was heavily present in the UK in December, it would have been noticed.
It's becoming fun now. For how long will monkfish refuse to accept that it is a real problem? I would have been sure the tail end of march, but apparently not!Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Oh good, the lunatics have set up camp in this thread
The month everything changed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-52066956
**** me how can you have paid attention to how this has unfolded and still think this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Why are people still talking about the death rate (one calculated 3 months ago too) when that isn’t the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It is ridiculously contagious and a lot of people who get it require hospitalisation, if this happens the health service gets overwhelmed and indirect deaths and direct deaths go up. How hard is this to understand?
Absolute insistence on being an 'independent thinker' at all costs and have a contrary view.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
It seems like something a teenager would do to make themselves look “different” for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
It must be exhausting, especially when something like this is going on and being so well documented.
Oh, what crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
I'm hardly alone, am I? I have the company of the President of the United States, Commander-in-Chief, leader of the free world (blah and more blah) articulating the same, which is the consequences of an economic and financial meltdown could prove to be more devastating than what Covid-19 might do.
He has scores of millions of heavily armed citizens to concern himself with and the prospect of a 30% unemployment rate in the months ahead.
Here in 2011 we saw how many predators are out there ready to loot even in the good ol' days.
:hehe: it’s not worth the effort
You've gone Full Trump. Never go Full Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
It’s like he thinks no one else thinks there won’t be a severe effect on the economy because of this. Everyone knows there will be but Italy are having a thousand deaths a day now, New York has already had more people die of Covid than they had homicides last year, the U.K. already has started having 100 deaths a day. You can’t just carry on as normal. And these are just the “direct” deaths, not counting for when the doctors have to chose who dies due to there not being enough bed/staff/equipment.
Wuhan did a total lockdown after the first 30 deaths, I don’t believe China’s exact figures but the early lock down definitely did some good.
I remember at the time thinking it was weird and archaic but there really is no other way to stop this becoming a huge issue.
I just want to post this again to say how mental it is anyone is still thinking this would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Fine, you have a different point of view. I can accept that. You're fond of accusing others of intransigence while you keep insisting you're correct. It's both amusing and annoying because you're unwilling to contemplate you might be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
It isn’t a different point of view though. It’s the truth.
If you only isolate people with symptoms you’ve got a load of symptomless carriers out there spreading it. The symptoms take 2 weeks to show, some people only show mild symptoms. This will cause exponential growth of the disease. That’s a fact, it’s literally already happened.
Do you disagree with that?
It doesn't sound like you think he is wrong though. It sounds like you think the health of the economy is more important than X number of people's lives (which has no doubt played a part in our slow reaction in the UK). The problem with your way of thinking is that everybody who supports it appears to be calculating X by sticking their fingers in their ears and looking at the overall death rate without factoring in the massive impact that an overwhelmed health service adds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
What is your tipping point? If we knew exactly how many lives we would save by locking down when would you decide that was worth it? 1 million? 10 million?
I can’t believe people think a Tory government would allow such a shit show to happen to the economy unless it was necessary.
I don't disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
UK government Covid-19 status remains the same today as when I posted this link https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...us-of-covid-19 two days back.
Do you know what high consequence means? It means the disease itself has to have a mortality rate of over a certain percent.
As said a 1000 times it isn’t the direct mortality rate with this that’s the issue. If you can’t see that after all this time I don’t know when you will.
By posting that link you aren’t being clever you’re ignoring the point of the whole thing.
As well when people keep saying the death rate is only 0.1%, even though that’s not right let’s entertain it.
If we say it’s not really that contagious and we go about our normal life and only 25% (it’s a lot more contagious than that) of the U.K. gets it (~15 million).
We would still end up with 15,000 people dying. And that’s significantly underestimating how contagious and fatal it is.
Lining up alongside Trump :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you wrote something as on-the-nose stupid as this in the broadest of broad comedies about a deadly virus it would be rejected as too ridiculous and unbelievable.<a href="https://t.co/CJuyUWE5jD">pic.twitter.com/CJuyUWE5jD</a></p>— David Schneider (@davidschneider) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1243816885390643200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
**** sake :hehe:
We all know he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer but he's excelled himself (and amazed the rest of us) this time! F**kn cretin!Quote:
Originally Posted by rudy gestede
I was thinking ok, he's signing a document surrounded by lots of people with no social distancing, odd at the current time but not very funny.
Then the pens get handed out.
From the very start of this you've smugly made claims as if you know what you're talking about. You've consistently been proven wrong, often spectacularly ("it's been designed only to affect Asians, wake me up when a non Asian dies" - current infection rate over the world 614,413) and yet you still pop up and smugly make claims like you know what you're talking about. THAT'S why people won't accept they're wrong when talking to you, because you talk utter, utter shiteQuote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Need a like button on this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox