I know it's old news that Wales has done well on the vaccination front but seen in a chart like on this page it really is impressive
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57438587
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I know it's old news that Wales has done well on the vaccination front but seen in a chart like on this page it really is impressive
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57438587
I think you're talking about this:Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5120002
Last September, when you said:
"Think they are just saying 6 months as that’s winter over at least, even though the last lockdown started at the end of last winter.....
Maybe there will be a vaccine? Didn’t Vallance say the other day there was a small chance it could be ready for those who need it most by Christmas? Now, that would be the sort of news that if true most people would just toe the line up until then, knowing things will be normal again post Christmas. I’d be happy to sit in for 3 months if it was nailed on this would end once and for all."
And I replied:
"The arrival of the vaccine will be the beginning of the end, but it will still take a painfully long time before we can say it's ended once and for all. "
The end clearly refers to the end of lockdowns, restrictions, etc. Please don't twist my words to make it seem like I said the vaccine was the beginning of the end of the virus itself.
Later that day in the thread you called me "the merchant of doom"
but time hasn't proven me wrong yet, wouldn't you say goats?
For those above 18 and on a purely UK level as of 9th of June:
1st: Wales, 87%
2nd: Scotland, 77.6%
3rd: England, 77.1%
4th: Northern Ireland, 75.8%
And for second doses that is:
1st: England, 55.3%
2nd: Scotland, 52.9%
3rd: Wales, 52.1%
4th: Northern Ireland, 50.7%
As per: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
I think what interested me most was that the gap in terms of second doses for Wales from top position is narrowing but gap to second position for first doses has remained stable since I last looked at the figures a few days ago.
It's obviously not a race and many different factors at play, also the most important thing is people coming forward especially if they've missed a dose.
More pollitics, Drakeford saying something is "Simply untrue" answering a different question. He says that they have never drawn from the UK Buffer stockpile implying Hancock said they had, where in reality Hancock said the buffer is available if it is needed. A different thing.
The reason Wales have vaccinated a greater percentage of people is because they are targeting first vaccinations where England and Scotland are going more for second, and that's the only reason. They haven't manage to make more doses by giving less or conjured up extra doses on their own, it's nonsense. you can only give the number of vaccines you have, the difference is who you give them to.
The other political thing in this article is Mr Drakeford also said he was not prepared to follow England by announcing a date when all freedoms would be restored in Wales.
"I think it's too optimistic to say that vaccination has broken the link between falling ill and hospitalisation with the new Delta variant," he said. It implies he has already made his mind up, so much for someone who says he always follows the science. If the science says open up, does anyone honestly believe he will?
It's not medical, it's political.
Things aren’t doom like at all are they? Doom mongerQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Matt Hancock said the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
To which first response from Welsh government was:Quote:
"Our colleagues in Wales decided to hold no such buffer and go ahead on the presumption that supply would come through," he said.
"But they also knew that if there was an interruption to supply that England's buffer would be used to ensure nobody in Wales would miss their second vaccination."
So Hancock saying Wales could press ahead with no buffer safe in knowledge that in hypothetical event it all went wrong they had support and Wales saying we had our own buffer in case things went wrong, have not needed to use England's and have been able to send vaccines back the other way. They're both emphasizing the bit which makes them look better but selective hearing on your part also.Quote:
"It is wrong to suggest we are reliant on an 'English buffer' as we hold our own and actually deliver a smaller proportion of vaccine to our centres than other UK nations."
Regarding re-opening, England have not given a date but the way it was messaged allowed people to put one in their calendar as freedom date. It appears England's "freedom date" may be pushed back by upto a month and nightclubs not initially included which is causing a stir on radio/in the press. It's predominantly a case of whether you want to give message of optimism or not when things could quickly change as medical officers are now saying it's too early to give a date and more information needed.
Not really, I was just saying what I thought would happen. It turns out I was right, and looking at the thread again I wasn't the only one. Plenty of people called it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Unlike Mr Deluded here, with his "if the vaccine is out before Christmas then things will be normal after" :hehe:
How were you right again? I’m too busy to spend the day searching through threads....vaccines....beginning of the endQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I copied it in the post for you on this page, as I guessed you might try to make an excuse like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Ah but you see Surge, everything bad is due to the Senedd government whilst everything good in Wales is thanks to our benevolent toff overlords in WestminsterQuote:
Originally Posted by surge
You are so right Lardy or shall we just call you professor Whitty......it’s just you are trying to hard to prove yourself right which usually means one thing. The end is nighQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Got my 2nd vaccine Monday too....is it worth it Lardy? You tell me....is there any point?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I don't disagree with you, what I said was that Drakeford said "It's not true, we haven't used their buffer" when in fact no one said they had, only that it was there if they needed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
The other point is that he was already stating that he had no intention of following England before he even knows what England intended to do, which, if he is following the science, would seem to be a statement driven more by politics than up to the minute infection/hospitalisation information, as he clearly did not have that when he made his comment. Does he mean if England doesn't open up that he then will just so as not to follow them?
As I have opined before, he often make the right decisions but for the wrong reasons.
The kind of blinkered reply I'd expect from you. Try actually reading what was written.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
You're the one who brought up my post from 9 months ago, not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I had my second dose a few weeks back. Well done for doing the right thing :thumbup:
It would be really interesting to see the paperwork behind decision making processes which would clear it up. It's highly unlikely that Wales' strategy amounts to going at a pace because we can fallback on England (if that was a bullet point on meeting notes I expect it to be down the list and several other processes in place to stop it being relied on) and Hancock said Wales didn't have a buffer which is factually untrue. We hopefully never find out the answer in practice about whether Wales' buffer would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Something of a UK/USA disagreement about the lateral flow tests we’ve been using;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...cathing-review
Being reported that England's "Freedom Day" is being pushed back to mid July
looks like your right city123 announcement due 6pm tonight
so whats everyones views on here . the right or wrong thing to do at this stage ?
think the buffoon will argue he wants more younger people to be vaccinated
The plan in England was always "step 4, no earlier than 21 June" but desire to promote optimism meant that wasn't heard and there was no desire to make it heard.Quote:
It’s obvious where most broadcasters sit on extending restrictions. But I wish they’d stop saying ‘just’ another 4 weeks.
Like it’s no worse than the delayed delivery of a sofa.
Must be aggravating to businesses who haven’t been able to open properly for ‘just’ 15 months already.
https://twitter.com/GeoffNorcott/sta...45407900106754
This is the first time easing has had to be pushed back post announcement of roadmap but it could have happened before for Step 2 and 3.
Will be interesting to see if people become annoyed with desire to promote optimism whether it's realistic or not (from politicians and supportive media sources) or whether frustration will be aimed at media outlets in general?
The bufoon strikes again.
There’s an opinion poll which says the public back the delay to “freedom day” (bet you those who have been calling it that don’t back it mind). I think it’s the right decision given the number of people who haven’t had a double jab,but did Johnson make things worse by maintaining air travel to India because he wanted to go there to try and get a trade deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
If the scientists - and by default, the government - can delay the end of lockdown for another 6 weeks there will be consensus that opening up for a month before the autumn surge, including flu etc., would be a risk not worth taking. I know it seems absurd to think that restrictions could remain in place for years to come whatever the number of cases are, but with the economy having 'adapted' and bouncing along nicely, I think this is where we're heading..Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Does that make Drakeford a buffoon if he follows suit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
New cases in Wales routinely in three figures now, but this is the highest for some time I’d guess;-
https://public.tableau.com/views/Rap...Amobile=true#2
That's a bit of a step, particularly as being the PM he could go anywhere he needed to go anyway, whatever the restrictions. Just like all those attending the G7. I think you might just have made that bit up. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-b1848100.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55659926
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56801288
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-india-sooner/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...list-on-friday
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/15/boris...-ban-14586765/
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...l-ban-12307691
https://www.ft.com/content/880e92f4-...9-a2af30e529eb
https://www.thenationalnews.com/worl...sion-1.1206597
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...from-India-EVG
https://www.politics.co.uk/week-in-r...johnsons-door/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...a-earlier.html
I think a dozen is enough don't you, I don't want to be accused of overkill.
Drakeford cannot follow suit as he has not made the same optimistic statements knowing full well there is a good chance they cannot be honouredQuote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Government only have themselves to blame for this one, travel back and fore to India should have been stopped a month before it was……
Same with Portugal. The Brazilian variant was already on the rise when we allowed people to travel there. There's a distinct lack of planning and common sense. Wonder if that's where boris went for his honeymoon which is why it was on the green listQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
:hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: call the police, there's been a murderQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
As new cases are rising Drakeford will have to say something. My guess is that he will follow England very shortly but will want to do things slightly differently in order to exert his independence. It would appear that the public are generally behind delaying the end of the lockdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
My original comment was in response to the comment linked in my post and was intended to merely highlight the biassed comment made. Of course if Drakeford ignores the scientific advice and does nothing my comment is irrelevant.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
If Boris splits Step 4 into two so outside events are eased but plans for inside events are delayed that mean he's copying Drakeford's last announcement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
England are following Wales on this one, albeit after threatening the whole vaccine process and the good work of that process by dithering over closing borders.... again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Foreign travel needs to be banned. The selfish sods following Wales in Baku could well be spreading the Delta variant in a country that, hitherto, hasn't reported any cases of the Delta Variant.
There is also a theory that delaying the second dose to 12 weeks has helped to allow the delta variant to flourish in the UK. The fact one dose is only 30% effective backs that up.
I obviously hope we never need to find out but what happens if in three weeks the situation in England is worse again? "July 19 will be a terminus date" as per today but if worse again do the concerns of Tory backbenchers trump all or do they react to the health data?
As well as hoping we don't find out I also think it's unlikely, but setting out roadmap with clear dates on 22/02/2021 and stressing "21 June" instead of "no earlier than" does make it much harder to delay twice even if it's needed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I am sure Boris should have closed the Indian route down earlier, but as the PM, surely he could have travelled to India with it being on the red list or not
but that might get in the way of " knocking Boris "
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ovid-situationQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...ation-12280094
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56800305
For those above 18 and on a purely UK level as of 13th of June:
1st: Wales, 87.7%
2nd: Scotland, 79.3%
3rd: England, 78.7%
4th: Northern Ireland, 76.6%
And for second doses that is:
1st: England, 57.4%
2nd: Scotland, 55.2%
3rd: Wales, 54.9%
4th: Northern Ireland, 51.6%
As per: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
It's obviously not a race and many different factors at play, also the most important thing is people coming forward especially if they've missed a dose. Especially as Wales declaring every adult has been offered first dose which appears to have lead to 88% (rounding up) of those taking up the offer.