Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Just sat through the most ridiculous lobby. The PM's spokesman refuses to engage in any questions despite the massive public interest questions facing Matt Hancock. Utter contempt for the public.

https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/st...02589448867847

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Contemptuous lobby briefing in which No 10 refuses to answer qs on whether Hancock broke the law or ministerial code. Says the PM has accepted his apology and 'considers the matter closed' followed by half an hour of epic stonewalling

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/sta...02273844269057

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If deputy political editor at The S*n and political editor at the Daily Mail are this angry at a Tory government then it's only a matter of time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57615547

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...line/100237834

A interesting read, the time frame of a mini outbreak in sydney at the mo


I went to see Cruela in the cinema last sunday, had 2 seats between groups, but no empty rows, i said at the time, if someone had it, a fair few would be " in contact "

There's some work in The Lancet on the effectiveness of the PB and AZ vaccines against the alpha and delta variants. To cut a long story short, two doses of the AZ vaccine after 14 days is only 60% effective (in the same way as originally reported) against the delta (Indian) variant.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...358-1/fulltext

Everyone still needs to be careful. Fully vaccinated people are getting it and have died.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

You’ve seen the Health Secretary’s statement, so I would point you to that,” a spokesman for the Prime Minister said after being asked by reporters why Mr Hancock remained in post.

I don’t really have anything further to add.

The health secretary set out that he accepted he had breached the social distancing guidelines and he has apologised for that.

The prime minister has accepted the Health Secretary’s apology and considers the matter closed.

Asked whether Boris Johnson had “full confidence” in Hancock, the spokesman replied: “Yes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-matt-hancock


Toast is not what it used to be! :shrug:

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He will "resign" after the weekend is my guess. For resign read sacked. However if he lasts out next week he will survive. But my initial instinct that he is toast remains.

Not seen it mentioned here

The New LAMBDA strain

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lambda-sou...rc=fp_deeplink

1st Identified in Peru last August, so its taken its time to get here

Bad news for the doom and gloomer's though

PHE said tests were ongoing and there is currently no evidence this variant causes more severe disease or renders vaccines less effective.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Not seen it mentioned here

The New LAMBDA strain

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lambda-sou...rc=fp_deeplink

1st Identified in Peru last August, so its taken its time to get here

Bad news for the doom and gloomer's though

PHE said tests were ongoing and there is currently no evidence this variant causes more severe disease or renders vaccines less effective.

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Good spot. Very comforting for the overly optimistic.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

He will "resign" after the weekend is my guess. For resign read sacked. However if he lasts out next week he will survive. But my initial instinct that he is toast remains.

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He's resigned according to the BBC.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

He will "resign" after the weekend is my guess. For resign read sacked. However if he lasts out next week he will survive. But my initial instinct that he is toast remains.

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He's burnt!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

He's burnt!

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He has just resigned now.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...=breaking-news

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Originally Posted by az city

There's some work in The Lancet on the effectiveness of the PB and AZ vaccines against the alpha and delta variants. To cut a long story short, two doses of the AZ vaccine after 14 days is only 60% effective (in the same way as originally reported) against the delta (Indian) variant.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...358-1/fulltext

Everyone still needs to be careful. Fully vaccinated people are getting it and have died.

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Another review said it is 92% effective. It depends who you want belie e, the people who want people free to make their own choices cos or those who want to keep the population locked up as long as possible like flock of sheep.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Another review said it is 92% effective. It depends who you want belie e, the people who want people free to make their own choices cos or those who want to keep the population locked up as long as possible like flock of sheep.

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The Scottish study isn't opinion. I believe the science not vague BS.

Link to evidence?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Another review said it is 92% effective. It depends who you want belie e, the people who want people free to make their own choices cos or those who want to keep the population locked up as long as possible like flock of sheep.

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Are you maybe referring to Pfizer figures seen within this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596 or have I missed another study?

"The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

Other data shows it takes longer to reach maximum effectiveness with the AstraZeneca vaccine, PHE said."

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Originally Posted by surge

Are you maybe referring to Pfizer figures seen within this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596 or have I missed another study?

"The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

Other data shows it takes longer to reach maximum effectiveness with the AstraZeneca vaccine, PHE said."

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I think the Astra Zeneca study referenced was that it was 92% preventative of hospitalisation after two doses should someone catch covid rather than it being 92% effective in stopping you catching it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

I think the Astra Zeneca study referenced was that it was 92% preventative of hospitalisation after two doses should someone catch covid rather than it being 92% effective in stopping you catching it in the first place.

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Probably yes, chance of severe illness, but as the supposed stated aim of all these lockdowns is to protect the NHS, and that isd apparently exactly what it does then that's good enough for me

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Probably yes, chance of severe illness, but as the supposed stated aim of all these lockdowns is to protect the NHS, and that isd apparently exactly what it does then that's good enough for me

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Protect the nhs….you’ve got to love that line. If only the various shambolic governments over the last 20 years had felt the same.
With waiting lists longer than ever and no doubt many people who missed vital scans walking time bombs without knowing it will be interesting to see the state of the beloved nhs in a year or two.

Surely what is most important Is the vaccines preventing death, serious illness and hospitalization.

If the vaccines lower transmission or even viral load that’s a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Surely what is most important Is the vaccines preventing death, serious illness and hospitalization.

If the vaccines lower transmission or even viral load that’s a bonus.

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Exactly, but to Az City apparently that's just bullshit. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Exactly, but to Az City apparently that's just bullshit. :hehe:

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Let's me be clear. YOU uttered the vague bullshit though it was somewhat difficult to decipher in the litany of illogicalities, typos and grammatical errors. :-)

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Originally Posted by az city

Let's me be clear. YOU uttered the vague bullshit though it was somewhat difficult to decipher in the litany of illogicalities, typos and grammatical errors. :-)

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Let me be clear to you, you're a dimwit who has to resort to clutching at the straw of typos etc to recover your self opinionate status. Grow a pair.
What I said and what another poster clarified was quite apparent. You chose to believe the numbers which are depressing and people-lockdown suggestive. In reality the NHS is protected so your numbers are meaningless.
See me next post!!!

These are intersting stats, for those that like stats, and the summary is thought provoking.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ovid-pandemic/

Now know a person who has Covid despite double vaccine. See Andrew Marr was in the same position.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Now know a person who has Covid despite double vaccine. See Andrew Marr was in the same position.

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Yes, sadly apparently it doesn't work for everybody. But then, most vaccines are not 100%. If we wait for zero everything we will be locked down for ever, which appears to be some peoples preferred option.
But look at the number of people who have sadly died who already had some underlying probably fatal condition already? Covid is now the 31st most fatal illness/disease in Wales. If we take out those with underlying conditions how any would have died?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

These are intersting stats, for those that like stats, and the summary is thought provoking.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ovid-pandemic/

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"Community prevalence now far lower than when country had similar Covid case numbers in December" by the Telegraph who were (probably) campaigning against lockdown in December.

I don't think it's so much of an imposition to continue with mask wearing indoors, employing good ventilation and looking to avoid crowding of indoor places but recognise that's a personal view. Think signs are looking much more positive now but needlessly reckless to say opening up is irreversible or a specific date is a terminus date which just shows how little some people understand.

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Speaking during an Urgent Question tabled by the SNP in the House of Commons, Liz Saville Roberts said: “Let’s call this out for what it is – a gross misuse of public money.

A High Court judgement revealed that the Minister for the Cabinet Office, Michael Gove MP, instructed officials to commission focus groups on “attitudes to the UK Union”.

He used an emergency contract given to Public First for pandemic research to tackle Covid-19.

The £564,394 public contract using taxpayers cash, included a focus group in Swansea in March 2020 and another in Aberystwyth in May 2020.

Michael Gove declined to appear in the House of Commons to respond to MPs’ questions and instead sent the Parliamentary Secretary for the Cabinet Office, Julia Lopez MP, in his place.

Responding, Lopez said that the government “do not use public money for political campaigning purposes” and refused to comment on whether the Secretary of State for Wales had been involved in the process.

https://nation.cymru/news/plaid-cymr...-on-the-union/

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Err...

https://www.reddit.com/r/GetJabbed/

What are your thoughts on jabs being given out with less than an 8 week break between going against JCVI recommendations?

https://twitter.com/SteveLawrence_/s...636597765?s=19

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Originally Posted by surge

https://www.reddit.com/r/GetJabbed/

What are your thoughts on jabs being given out with less than an 8 week break between going against JCVI recommendations?

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In the USA its a 3 week gap then no later than another 2 weeks

a friend of ours ( in orlando, so it might differ from state to state ) has just had his 2nd, i said it is only a few weeks sine your 1st, which the reply was thats the US guidelines

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://twitter.com/SteveLawrence_/s...636597765?s=19

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the EU are surely just behind the curve of the UK though, its just a matter of time before they catch up when Delta takes hold ( it isnt like it isnt in the EU yet )

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We can reveal the existence of *another* VIP lane - for Covid tests - with "stakeholder engagement" conducted through, yep, you guessed it, a private gmail address.

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/st...66790022860801

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Whatever your thoughts about the VIP lanes, how can there be such a scandal in, our close ally, American politics about private email usage for government business and UK government workers to not learn any lessons from it?

P.S. thanks to Blue Matt for American perspective on length of break between jabs :thumbup:

2 in 3 Welsh adults have had both doses of a vaccine according to PHW

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Originally Posted by City123

2 in 3 Welsh adults have had both doses of a vaccine according to PHW

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67.2% according to the UK covid stats page so a little more than 2 in 3 adults. 89.6% have had first dose.

But the more it's out there the worse the risk of long covid or mutations.

Vaccination centres in Wales to open for walk-ins with no appointment from Saturday
Young adults in particular are being encouraged to attend: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/h...-walk-20952122

if you are in the 2% that get it hard i feel sorry for you. Not much can be done tbh to help those that have had both jabs and still
get sick. science will hopefully help us

We need to lockdown ..

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Originally Posted by surge

P.S. thanks to Blue Matt for American perspective on length of break between jabs :thumbup:

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The Difference in the USA are massive and its been very interesting watching how they have dealt with getting life back to normal ( I must admit My following has been very Orlando / Florida based )

Last night, fireworks returned to Walt disney world ( i watched a live stream of it, Im that sad ) but the crowds were stood shoulder to shoulder with no masks ,it was honestly like it was 2 years ago, yet on Good morning Britain they were discussing that people shouldnt go to pubs to watch the England game tomorrow due to the risk of spreading C19

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Originally Posted by blue matt

The Difference in the USA are massive and its been very interesting watching how they have dealt with getting life back to normal ( I must admit My following has been very Orlando / Florida based )

Last night, fireworks returned to Walt disney world ( i watched a live stream of it, Im that sad ) but the crowds were stood shoulder to shoulder with no masks ,it was honestly like it was 2 years ago, yet on Good morning Britain they were discussing that people shouldnt go to pubs to watch the England game tomorrow due to the risk of spreading C19

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Pretty much the last month has been back to normal in a domestic basis.

I had my 2nd Pfizer vaccine 2 weeks after the first.

No masks in bars, restaurants or stores.
It was odd going to the mall initially with some big retailers saying no masks if you are vaccinated and other more boutique stores requiring them.

It will be back to normal for me, when I can get back to Wales with no bother.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Pretty much the last month has been back to normal in a domestic basis.

I had my 2nd Pfizer vaccine 2 weeks after the first.

No masks in bars, restaurants or stores.
It was odd going to the mall initially with some big retailers saying no masks if you are vaccinated and other more boutique stores requiring them.

It will be back to normal for me, when I can get back to Wales with no bother.

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95% of the people in this resort ( in St.Lucia ) are American, I’ve spoken to quite a few, from various states and there seems to be a split between the metropolitan (masks) and rural (no mask) approach. You have to be double vaccinated by at least 14 days to be here. The only place masks are compulsory if you go to the buffet but off resort the rules are still strict & there’s a curfew in place.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

95% of the people in this resort ( in St.Lucia ) are American, I’ve spoken to quite a few, from various states and there seems to be a split between the metropolitan (masks) and rural (no mask) approach. You have to be double vaccinated by at least 14 days to be here. The only place masks are compulsory if you go to the buffet but off resort the rules are still strict & there’s a curfew in place.

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Americans there must be wearing masks for most of the day then... :hide:

No Covid in SW19. Large crowds on Centre and No.1 courts, barely a mask in sight. Fans in and out of their seats with pints and Pimms.

40K or more at Wembley the other night with the second in line to the throne, his wife and son in attendance also without masks.

I'm all for opening up again and get frustrated with the hypocrisy and scaremongering. Why don't we see daily figures for all deaths, for all infections? Why don't we have a slide that shows the amount of people in Wales with Covid who are in hospital would fit on one of Tony's busses.

No figures revealed from hundreds of test events where it's thought about 28 people from tens of thousands tested positive. Yet Scotland fans blamed for causing two thousand cases because they went to London. That doesn't make sense.

online news feeds say we can go away, we can't go away, we can open up, we can't open up.

It's really affecting the mental health of a lot of people.

Time to get on with things.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Pretty much the last month has been back to normal in a domestic basis.

I had my 2nd Pfizer vaccine 2 weeks after the first.

No masks in bars, restaurants or stores.
It was odd going to the mall initially with some big retailers saying no masks if you are vaccinated and other more boutique stores requiring them.

It will be back to normal for me, when I can get back to Wales with no bother.

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:thumbup: it truly is back to normal in Orlando, saw a Vlogger in flying from Orlando to So Cal, MCO was the busiest ive ever seen, 4th July holiday, so it was rammed