Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Presumably, if you believe that, you also believe that people who get an education, work hard all their lives to better themselves and manage to put savings aside as well, should have all their money taken off them by the state and given to people who leave school early, sit around all day doing bog all and sponge off the rest of the population by claiming every benefit going under the sun. God help us all.
You managed to spin that in an untended direction.
There are many functions of education. The question for me is this. Are schools as they are currently formatted (that is with a subject based curriculum which is largely arbitrary outside of reading, writing and arithmetic) the best way of addressing the the things which society values which include;
* Transmission of Culture. Education instills and transmits social norms values and beliefs into the next generation.
* Social integration.
* Career Selection.
* Techniques of Learning Skills.
* Socialization.
* Rational Thinking.
* Adjustment in Society.
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
Kids are going back to school for the sake of their education and mental health and a raft of other reasons.
I'm not challenging this, but I would like to comment on the rationale of this policy.
Not so long ago, generations of kids in the UK had little or no education. Schools/universities were for the privileged. Kids were sent out to work on farms and in factories at a young age, unable to read and write. Even when there was a concerted drive to educate, which spawned the Education Act of 1870, education for the majority ended at fourteen.
Are we to assume that for centuries folk were messed up for the rest of their lives because of being uneducated?
A balancing thought I'd add is that I have personal experience of missing important fundamentals of learning. I went to a Grammar School in 1957. It was a good school which produced among others a British Prime Minister. After six weeks, we sat an exam to grade us. I was stuck at home with Asian 'flu for five of those weeks and was graded as a 'D' pupil. At the end of the year, I was in the top ten of the entire year of 150. I started the next term in a class that studied Latin. As a 'D' pupil I hadn't been taught Latin; the top classes had. I NEVER got to grips with the language and only passed 'O' level GCE because I learnt 600 lines of Virgil English translation by heart.
So I know that missing out on the basics of education is very damaging. That has been my experience.
I've always thought that education is not just about teaching subjects, but also prepares us for the big wide world. So, how concerned should we be that the education of kids has been interrupted for about a year?
(I have little doubt that this thread will have few replies and will quickly slip off the first page - like most of my threads. Don't really care. It helps to put my rambling thoughts in some semblance of order. :-) )
Life has changed a bit since kids were sent to farm or down the mines in 1840....lots are suffering at the moment and unfortunately trying to take their own lives.
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
light up the darkness
You managed to spin that in an untended direction.
There are many functions of education. The question for me is this. Are schools as they are currently formatted (that is with a subject based curriculum which is largely arbitrary outside of reading, writing and arithmetic) the best way of addressing the the things which society values which include;
* Transmission of Culture. Education instills and transmits social norms values and beliefs into the next generation.
* Social integration.
* Career Selection.
* Techniques of Learning Skills.
* Socialization.
* Rational Thinking.
* Adjustment in Society.
Here's a video that was sent to me recently that I found really interesting in regards to how we educate children.
https://youtu.be/zDZFcDGpL4U
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Here's a video that was sent to me recently that I found really interesting in regards to how we educate children.
https://youtu.be/zDZFcDGpL4U
That was Ace! Just sent it to my mother as evidence as to why i was kicked out of school at fifteen :hehe:
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
That was Ace! Just sent it to my mother as evidence as to why i was kicked out of school at fifteen :hehe:
:hehe:
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Here's a video that was sent to me recently that I found really interesting in regards to how we educate children.
https://youtu.be/zDZFcDGpL4U
Very good. :thumbup:
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
That's because modern degrees from a "University" which used to be a polytechnic or a 24 hour petrol garage aren't really worth an 'O' level. Our degrees used to be more highly regarded than American ones, but that's reversed now.
Blair wanted everyone to be able to get a degree, (???). Well now they can but the degree they get is meaningless.
It's a characteristic of a number of advanced countries that have increasingly sent higher numbers of students to university in recent decades.
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
It's a characteristic of a number of advanced countries that have increasingly sent higher numbers of students to university in recent decades.
I think the western world will eventually be overrun with sports scientists.
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
I think the western world will eventually be overrun with sports scientists.
At least they should be fit enough to overrun.
Re: We don need no educashun....?
Christ, when I left school you could be as thick as s**t and still get a job, slightly intelligent - white collar, thick - blue collar. Everybody could get a job.
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
Christ, when I left school you could be as thick as s**t and still get a job, slightly intelligent - white collar, thick - blue collar. Everybody could get a job.
It's a pity that such a system existed as countries such as German realised that intelligent and well-educated people were sorely needed in areas of employment that we considered to be need to be blue collar and inferior.
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Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Here's a video that was sent to me recently that I found really interesting in regards to how we educate children.
https://youtu.be/zDZFcDGpL4U
Very good Thank you for sharing this. He poses some big questions. The kind that no politician want to address.
The ones that suffer the most as a result are the young people in the system
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
It's a characteristic of a number of advanced countries that have increasingly sent higher numbers of students to university in recent decades.
Do you think we're an advanced country now then ?
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
Do you think we're an advanced country now then ?
The IMF does.
Re: We don need no educashun....?
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
The IMF does.
I have visited 65 countries myself but one doesn't want to be too subjective by basing one's opinions merely on one's own selective sample, of course.
Yours
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