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Originally Posted by stevo
Tories don't give a toss about the crumbling schools system , welfare , social services
Unless of course it affects their family directly then they are out there with the placards marching up and down the street
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Originally Posted by stevo
Tories don't give a toss about the crumbling schools system , welfare , social services
Unless of course it affects their family directly then they are out there with the placards marching up and down the street
My question is were such draconian austerity measures required and what would have happened if they weren’t implemented?
It seems as though they were never reversed and as a result there have been catastrophic consequences for law and order in society as well as council services.
The lack of police on the streets as well as the rise in tents on city centre streets tell me things haven’t gone well.
You realise the UK is spending more on welfare than ever before, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Interesting and cheers for answering. I don't disagree with all of that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
For clarity, my starting point isn't that 'everything is good' at all. Quite the opposite in fact. I would probably be as critical of our society and economy as anyone. My point is that those with the starting point that it's all the govts fault and a change fixes that are, in my opinion, incorrect. It would likely change nothing.
Elsewhere you said that Britain is in terminal decline. What evidence is there of that, or that it's particularly different to other countries? Because that's another of my broad points - the issues we experience are broadly speaking felt everywhere else. And that suggests the cause and the solutions lie elsewhere too.
It's more of a nod to the fact that whilst all our problems aren't caused by 2008, austerity, brexit, COVID, they were petrol on the fire, but the trend was established before then.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
We do seem to have made more bad decisions than most countries and the UK is a definite outlier in its hostility towards working people over the past two decades. Disposable income in the middle and lower bands does tend to be higher in other comparable countries but broadly speaking everybody is facing the same issues.
When we have discussed this before I always get the impression you think I'm doom mongering and that the true picture is quite rosey. Triple lock is a great example of why I am so negative about the UK. Both major parties know that triple lock is unsustainable in even the medium term but have no plan for saying 'job done' and phasing it into something that makes more sense now.
Jesus H Christ - you are such an imbecile 99% of the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
'Is post covid Tory Britain worse than post financial crisis Labour Britain?'
To add to Eric's points above, the state has been so hollowed out between 2010 and 2019 (national government as well as local - see the criminal justice system crisis as one example) that there is little collective resilience to provide a net behind individuals and families who have seen wages fall and costs rise over that period. We have a poorer (for most) and weaker country than pre financial crisis. Some of the causes are beyond the control of any government, but the Cult of Austerity was home grown.
That's because of covid and the state of the economyQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's not because you Tories are generous people
This oh yeah we are spending more now than ever doesn't mean anything other than more people are in need , there is more poverty and the cost to the state has increased
It doesn't mean the conservatives are suddenly paying out loads on money to people on the dole
The NHS is costing us more money as the cost of cleaning products , replacement beds , uniforms , computers and everything else is going up
It's not down to the kindness and generosity of the Tories
Jesus wept
I am sorry but if you think I spend my time having cosy chats with conservative voters then you better think againQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
As far as I am concerned chummy conversations with people who vote for welfare cuts , screwing the nurses and doctors and privatising everything is best left to people who have the inclination to do it
If I know someone is a tory then I really don't have much time for them and I certainly wouldn't be meeting them for coffee and a chat
I would have very little in common with them and that's the way it is as far as I am concerned
The Tories used the aftermath of a financial crisis to push the strangulation of public servicesQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
It was ideological
I think they enjoy it
Tories spend on welfare - Evil bastardsQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Tories don't spend on welfare - Evil bastards.
The reasons are disputable, but the fact is that you were wrong.
I don't disagree. But remember this was the case in most places. Remember the EUs battle with Greece?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
No it's the fact that the tories are xxxsQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I would hope you would understand the difference between costs going up and increasing spend and the lovely Tories deciding to increase spending on mental health or social services because they know they have stripped everything to the bone and if they don't invest they will be run out of town
One is inevitable , costs increase , the other is down to priority or in the case of the Tories, trying to save their arses ....or in your case , your arse
But I was wrong you are a tory and don't understand such basic societal ideas
I really should stop wasting my time , even if you get slabbed at the next election you will still be on here talking to a few daft souls stupid to put up with your PR work for the local conservative association
Are you sure you only act like an imbecile when in the presence of Tories. How do you explain the rest of your innate ramblings then ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I know people who vote for all sorts of political partys , I couldn't care less how they vote. Maybe you should try it some day - you may even start to like yourself.
Such a bigot! I bet you go into hospitals and demand to know a doctor's voting record before he operates on you!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well you say that you couldn't care less about what party people vote for but that's nonsense and you are clearly lyingQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Some people are not interested in politics and that's fine, I know people like that
But you and the Tories on here spend plenty of time having a go at people of a left of centre view so you might think you can kid some people but you certainly don't fool me
I can't think of anything worse than sitting in a pub or cafe talking about the shocking state of public services with a tory voter who has helped bring it all about
This may be a difficult concept for you and maybe we could all go and have a jolly good game of rugger and a few beers but I am not interested
Sorry but that's the way it is
I know that the vast vast majority of doctors and nurses don't vote Tory so I am happy to take my chances thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Perhaps if you’d have got/get yourself a better job, save/saved more and didn't/don’t frit away your money, you could retire early as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Two protesters were “reasonable” in calling Iain Duncan Smith “Tory scum” outside the Conservative party conference, the high court has ruled, in a rejection of an attempt to overturn their acquittal.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...le-court-rules
Now let's all carry on behaving reasonably lads and lasses. :thumbup: :hehe:
Oh would be ridiculous if that was illegal. Everyone has a right to behave like a child sometimes!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959