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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Ones far left thebotherv isv far right both warped ideologies.
Labour under Corbyn behavioued like a radical student fringe group off thier heads .
This quote below on election night from Labours Alan Johnson should help you :
“Corbyn was a disaster on the doorstep. Everyone knew that he couldn’t lead the working class out of a paper bag.
Now Jon’s Lansman developed this Momentum group, this party within a party, aiming to keep the purity, the culture of betrayal goes on.
“You’ll hear it more and more now over the next couple of days as this little cult get their act together. I want them out of the party. I want Momentum gone. Go back to your student politics and your little left wing...”
Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe', what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe', what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?
I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.
Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.
Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .
Oh well, if Alan Johnson (top Blairite) said all that, who can possibly argue.
Corbyn and Momentum were two of the reasons that Labour in 2017 got 40% of the vote and it’s biggest vote share rise since 1945 - and with a very popular manifesto. Not a success - Labour didn’t win - but they came close so certainly not a disaster.
2019, with the same leader and similar manifesto they got 32% and lost badly. Corbyn was certainly less popular - but that was mainly due to 2 more years of personal attacks from the press and Labour right (including Johnson) and an incoherent policy on Brexit (forced on him by the Labour right including Starmer and Johnson)!
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Oh well, if Alan Johnson (top Blairite) said all that, who can possibly argue.
Corbyn and Momentum were two of the reasons that Labour in 2017 got 40% of the vote and it’s biggest vote share rise since 1945 - and with a very popular manifesto. Not a success - Labour didn’t win - but they came close so certainly not a disaster.
2019, with the same leader and similar manifesto they got 32% and lost badly. Corbyn was certainly less popular - but that was mainly due to 2 more years of personal attacks from the press and Labour right (including Johnson) and an incoherent policy on Brexit (forced on him by the Labour right including Starmer and Johnson)!
Well perhaps Corbyn should have grasped the nettle and agreed with the Labour Brexit voters and campaigned to leave Europe he might of beat Johnson , we still don't know to this day what his view on Europe is or how he voted ,those who hesitate hey ????
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
I don't need too, just read Alan Johnson's views he was quite clear and right I've copied it for you and many millions if Labour voters understood his view and decided not to adopt the Momentum strategy.
Or Google Alan Johnson Labour MP Jon Llansman election night clash , he summed it all very well .
Beyond typical. Tory voter says buzzwords that they've read in a billionaire funded newspaper and can't actually explain what those buzzwords mean.
This country is thick as shit.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Beyond typical. Tory voter says buzzwords that they've read in a billionaire funded newspaper and can't actually explain what those buzzwords mean.
This country is thick as shit.
No it was live on television , let me help you , below is 7.49 clip for useful reference :
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
I want you to be specific not someone else. If you don't in the next post I'll assume you can't just like the majority of the tory electorate.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
'Fact'. :hehe: That's another word you have trouble with!
Okay Corbyn won not a fact
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
I want you to be specific not someone else. If you don't in the next post I'll assume you can't just like the majority of the tory electorate.
I completely agree with Alan Johnson his words describe what my thoughts were he did mention students by the way I quote and agree with " student politics and your little left wing."
I was so glad to see Corbyn get that wacking at the ballot box .
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
And everyone can dump their shit in rivers again too.
https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b1915765.html
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Okay Corbyn won not a fact
The statement you labelled a fact was that Corbyn put Johnson into power - not that the Tories won and Labour lost (which is a fact).
It is your opinion that Corbyn is solely responsible for the outcome of the last election - it is not a fact.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
The statement you labelled a fact was that Corbyn put Johnson into power - not that the Tories won and Labour lost (which is a fact).
It is your opinion that Corbyn is solely responsible for the outcome of the last election - it is not a fact.
Here's the facts :
Voter's in long standing traditional Labour seats did not vote for Corbyn or his policies and handed the reins to a loop.
Tories took seats that they had no right too .
However distasteful Corbyn did not back May's Brexit plan which created the Boris challenge and leadership win .
Labour party was found guilty of anti-Semitism .
Voters decided to hand Boris a massive majority .
The last election was one of Labours biggest defeat in their history .
If you cant accept or see these facts I cant help .
This tread is about Social Care , Labour has no answer and may vote against it , priceless
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Here's the facts :
Voter's in long standing traditional Labour seats did not vote for Corbyn or his policies and handed the reins to a loop.
Tories took seats that they had no right too .
However distasteful Corbyn did not back May's Brexit plan which created the Boris challenge and leadership win .
Labour party was found guilty of anti-Semitism .
Voters decided to hand Boris a massive majority .
The last election was one of Labours biggest defeat in their history .
If you cant accept or see these facts I cant help .
This tread is about Social Care , Labour has no answer and may vote against it , priceless
And after all those random words you still can’t separate facts from opinions. Brain fade and word soup sometimes has no cure!
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Enough of the vagueness, give me specifics. What exactly makes students 'lunatic fringe',
the fact they thought the Tooting Popular Front was real and something to aspire to. Citizen smith was a parody, not an instruction manual
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
what policies of Corbyn were 'warped'?
all of them
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Beyond typical. Tory voter says buzzwords that they've read in a billionaire funded newspaper and can't actually explain what those buzzwords mean.
This country is thick as shit.
yet here you are.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
I want you to be specific not someone else. If you don't in the next post I'll assume you can't just like the majority of the tory electorate.
assume all you want, its a bit like Momentum and the other ****wits on the left assuming because they controlled the party they controlled the electorate. This ain't East Germany. Corbyn's Labour were annihilated in the last election. Annihilated. The worst showing ever. its time to let the grown ups have a go, and not the Citizen Smith types.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
The statement you labelled a fact was that Corbyn put Johnson into power - not that the Tories won and Labour lost (which is a fact).
It is your opinion that Corbyn is solely responsible for the outcome of the last election - it is not a fact.
I remember John McDonald on R4's Today program just after Labour (and their daft 1970s policies) were trounced beyond all comprehension in the last election, and he made the same claim as you that the loss was nothing to do with the fact that Corbyn was so out of touch with what the ordinary man and woman wanted. Controlling the party means nothing in the UK as it is the electorate that gets you elected.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
And after all those random words you still can’t separate facts from opinions. Brain fade and word soup sometimes has no cure!
why not tell us which you think are facts and which you think are opinions - then we can see if those you think are just opinions have any evidence to turn them into facts.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
its been nearly 50 years since a Labour politician other than someone named Blair has won a general election. Perhaps Blair's social democracy is the way to go, and not the lunatic left
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
its been nearly 50 years since a Labour politician other than someone named Blair has won a general election. Perhaps Blair's social democracy is the way to go, and not the lunatic left
But the left hate him so much they were consumed , their biggest mistake was electing the wrong Miliband .
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
why not tell us which you think are facts and which you think are opinions - then we can see if those you think are just opinions have any evidence to turn them into facts.
He always does that when the logical argument is lost . He wanted Corbyn as leader of our country FFS FACT
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
He always does that when the logical argument is lost . He wanted Corbyn as leader of our country FFS FACT
At last a fact - your wild guess turns out to be right - I did want Labour to win the 2017 and 2019 elections.
Unfortunately you blew any credit for that with your comical claim to have presented some kind of ‘logical argument’. You and your accountant mate have barely got past the stage of posting old Daily Express headlines.
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
At last a fact - your wild guess turns out to be right - I did want Labour to win the 2017 and 2019 elections.
Unfortunately you blew any credit for that with your comical claim to have presented some kind of ‘logical argument’. You and your accountant mate have barely got past the stage of posting old Daily Express headlines.
Temper, temper 😴
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
He always does that when the logical argument is lost . He wanted Corbyn as leader of our country FFS FACT
And you wanted Boris? Do you have a point?
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Re: Social care facing 'unprecedented crisis'
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
At last a fact - your wild guess turns out to be right - I did want Labour to win the 2017 and 2019 elections.
Unfortunately you blew any credit for that with your comical claim to have presented some kind of ‘logical argument’. You and your accountant mate have barely got past the stage of posting old Daily Express headlines.
I've not seen any daily express headlines posted. Care to share them with us?