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They don't need to offer solutions. They've, probably correctly, identified immigration as a vote winner. This thread has shown that people will think, they've said it's a problem so 'why wouldn't' they spend lots of money on it? Even though 'they', in this case, are two different groups of people.
This referendum is very unlike a GE, where a campaign can make pretty much any promise about what life would be like after but it's not part of a manifesto and they don't have direct control to achieve it, so there is no accountability after. And that is true for both sides.
The latest line being pedaled by REMAIN politicians is that immigration issues can be resolved within a reformed EU. What nonsense! Free movement will be retained for as long as some countries are happy to see their unemployed moving elsewhere. Indeed one eastern European leader has said as much. The EU are not interested in reform.Their agenda is about expanding their ideology.
I have been agonising about how I shall vote as there are many arguments for and against but the most compelling arguments for me are more about democracy rather than immigration although it has to be said that if numbers continue at their present level the population will expand faster than public services will be able to cope.
Its funny how you ( and someone else said that when i was called a xenophobe, though he did actually say that I blame them for my life, you havent named me ), I couldnt think of anything that would improve my life, my life is fairly rosey at the mo ( i am sure someone will be along and mention my 12 K holiday soon enough :wave: ) so my thoughts on immigration are nothing to do with my life, as i have said, i have nothing against immigrants coming IF they are needed and not just to come over for our better way of life and what they can get from the " system "
Do you really believe all of that then :hehe: its fine quoting sources of rules, BUT reality is different
A pole comes over for 3 months, gets a job cleaning tables, he is in, then he is entitled to the " system " , then his family move over free health care, free schools etc etc
It is very likely that immigration will be no lower in the event of a brexit.
Rubbish. Anyone from anywhere in the EU can come to the UK and stay for as long as they want. You really are a shameless liar.
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457
Free Movement is a fundamental principle of the Treaty enshrined in Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union and developed by EU secondary legislation and the Case law of the Court of Justice. EU citizens are entitled to:
-look for a job in another EU country
-work there without needing a work permit
-reside there for that purpose
-stay there even after employment has finished
-enjoy equal treatment with nationals in access to employment, working conditions and all other social and tax advantages
spot on , Gordon Brown introduce a fund for it ,as he recogniszed the potential issues , funding has been stripped out by the government, the majoirty of European migrants come to work and pay taxes, in jobs our folk will not to do .
The out campaign will still have to deal with 180 plus non Europeans arriving , because of war zones were are involved in, the need to prop up the NHS , catering , cleaning, hotel work , shop workers in the major cities , madness .
Really. Who would you prefer? A doctor from India or an unskilled labourer from the EU. Immigration would not increase with a points based system because the government would set the overall limit and allow those on the skill shortages in within the overall number the government sets. If the public think the limit is too high they can vote the government out. We cannot vote the EU out so that is why the democracy argument is so compelling.
They can come and live here for as long as they want. All that is restricted is their entitlement to certain benefits. Obviously, without income it is difficult to live anywhere but if I wanted to go and live in Bulgaria there would be absolutely nothing to stop me.
Not quite true. This is from elsewhere on your link http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=460&langId=en
People who are employed in another EU country are entitled to live there. Jobseekers are also allowed to stay in another country while they are looking for a job. (See the right to look for a job)
The host country may require them, as "EU migrant workers", to register with the authorities as residents. (See Directive 2004/38/EC)
Other legal and administrative formalities depend on the length of stay – up to 3 months, more than 3 months, or permanent.
There is NOTHING to stop anyone time the EU from living here for as long as they want. No mechanism for deportation - NOTHING. They may have their income and benefits restricted but practically speaking, as long as they say that they are working, looking for work, retired, starting a business or living with a family member, nothing can be done to make them leave.
Do you understand Lardy? All EU nationals can, practically speaking, stay here for as long as they want.