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Re: Could the jacks go down ?
It would be good for them to have a derby against Wrexham though.
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Don Corleone
They really did put their all into their cup final against us didn’t they ( still p*sses me off our team just rolled over for them). Can’t see them going down as they have a healthy gap but it might cause them a few flutters before season ends
It was a shocking performance down there
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Nobody's Rep
I would love it - living just outside Swansea nothing would give me more satisfaction in a season of no success for us this is the next best thing - especially after their antics after the last derby
However it is not going to happen but it's good to dream 👍👍
You want Swansea to go on a 3 game winning streak? I posted what I did because the OP has form..
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Keyser Soze
Indeed. This is the same view I have held since around derby day. Everyone from 15th to 23rd are in the scrap as the gap is small.
Four things say to me that Swansea will be sucked further into the fight.
1. Form
Looking at form they are not good compared to those around them. I think there are only three teams or so between 15th and 23rd with worse form so they will likely be dragged down further
2. Fatigue
Luke imposed a style on them reminiscient of former days. The trouble is without a deep squad, frequent resting (like Man City and Arsenal), or and being conditioned for this style over a longer term horizon, this style brings post January fatigue and injuries, especially hurting old players or fresh youth ones. Man United have this issue with an injury crisis today. Leeds and Norwich were relegated from the Premieship because of it too. Swansea are now getting it too. The system is high intensity but it also relies on a deep squad of players who all have the high-octane sprinting ability and all knowing the system, and loan players in January often makes no difference due to the time needed to acclimatize (why Klopp often doesn’t do January loans).
The squad isn’t deep enough and they are knackered. Against us they managed to live off hate and emotion but that isn’t sustainable. As I said before our derby, and after it, their fundamentally unsound footing will continue. Here we are - continued shocking form since as a result of being drained.
3. Collapsed morale
They raised morale against us due to some drunken ranting “oratory” by their team chef, but that proved short-lived, as I predicted. Ronald Mc Donald continues to draw blanks and has no end product and all the post-Jan hype on him has died. They knew they would not reach the playoffs, but neither did they believe they would need to be up for a relegation fight. The fans online seem down in the dumps. Players are arguing. Coach today says “These performances not acceptable”. Note the words “These” and not “This”. This is a pattern, not one-offs.
4. Performance
I was watching yesterday their stats v Boro. 497 v 337 passes to Swansea. 61% v 39% possession to Swansea. But look at the stats that matter, and what does this produce? Shots on target were 12 v 7 to Boro. Shots on target 4 v 1 to Boro. Shots off target6 v 4 to Boro. How many “Clear Cut” chances by Swansea? An astonishing 0.
So for all fhe passing and possession they are creating little. Remember in school there was always a little squirt that shouted “I’m gonna kick your head in” but never threw a punch in six years and ran away from a fight. Like Scrappy Doo in the Scooby Doo cartoon. That is Swansea at the moment. All that possession without a shot on target is a waste of time. I think Brendan Rogers called it “Resting on the ball”. Well Swansea do so much resting even the fans and players are falling asleep it seems.
Goal difference probably suggests they will land around 18th because even with their piss porm they are bound to pick up a few surprise points. Watching them squirm in pain will make me smile but they will do just enough to survive. Buf if the don’t spend in the summer and deepen the squad they could be in trouble again next year.
Hope your swansea predictions and analysis are better than your cardiff predictions and analysis.
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Father Dougal
Hope your swansea predictions and analysis are better than your cardiff predictions and analysis.
Yes he predicted we’d batter them at their place too
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Impossible. They've been the most dominant team in Wales for the last 40 years. They will certainly finish above us.
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NYCBlue
Impossible. They've been the most dominant team in Wales for the last 40 years. They will certainly finish above us.
Well they certainly have been for the last 15 years
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Eric the Half a Bee
No.
There isn't a god ?
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Dembe
You want Swansea to go on a 3 game winning streak? I posted what I did because the OP has form..
Nah obviously replied to the wrong reply - I wouldn't want Swansea having a winning streak of one
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well they certainly have been for the last 15 years
Does that include this year?
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NYCBlue
Does that include this year?
Haven’t we. Been in the PL more recently too? :hehe:
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well they certainly have been for the last 15 years
Since we were both in the 2nd division in the 1980/81 season (and they won promotion), they've finished above us 25 times, we've finished above them 18 times.
Swansea finished above us in the league in 2000/01 when we were last in the bottom division. We then enjoyed 9 seasons finishing above them in the league. That changed in 2010/11 when they won promotion and have finished above us in 11 of the last 13 seasons.
Overall we've finished higher than Swansea 59 times. They've finished above us 37 times.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Since we were both in the 2nd division in the 1980/81 season (and they won promotion), they've finished above us 25 times, we've finished above them 18 times.
Swansea finished above us in the league in 2000/01 when we were last in the bottom division. We then enjoyed 9 seasons finishing above them in the league. That changed in 2010/11 when they won promotion and have finished above us in 11 of the last 13 seasons.
Overall we've finished higher than Swansea 59 times. They've finished above us 37 times.
In the memory of most of us Swansea spent two years in the old first division under toshack and 7 years in the Premier league when apart from the relegation season they did pretty well even from our malevolent eyes
And they won the carling Cup
We went up twice in that time and went straight back down
We got to two cup finals but lost both
Finishing higher in the league format without actually winning anything is a pretty generous accolade
Whichever way you want to look at it that lot have been the most successful south wales side in the last 40 years
To argue otherwise is churlish and embarrassing
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NYCBlue
Does that include this year?
According to statto man
11 of last 13 seasons has has seen Swansea finish higher than us
Since 1980 they have had 25 seasons where they have finished higher than us and we have finished higher than them 18 times
I think that is a bit of a loose determiner but in recent years Swansea were in the top flight for 7 seasons , winning a cup
And we were promoted and immediately relegated , twice
I can't stand the jacks but it's a bit silly to argue that we have been a better side than them since 1980 onwards
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I would not put any money on it
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SLUDGE FACTORY
In the memory of most of us Swansea spent two years in the old first division under toshack and 7 years in the Premier league when apart from the relegation season they did pretty well even from our malevolent eyes
And they won the carling Cup
We went up twice in that time and went straight back down
We got to two cup finals but lost both
Finishing higher in the league format without actually winning anything is a pretty generous accolade
Whichever way you want to look at it that lot have been the most successful south wales side in the last 40 years
To argue otherwise is churlish and embarrassing
Absolutely. Apart from some tooing and froing in the 90s, we had the upper hand in the 2000s while they struggled, then while we floundered in trying to win promotion to the Premier League, they managed it in 3 seasons. Even for our successes in Europe, their win at Valencia is probably the biggest win by a Welsh team ever in Europe.
One could almost say they've been a better run club as well, until recently and the Yanks took over.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Absolutely. Apart from some tooing and froing in the 90s, we had the upper hand in the 2000s while they struggled, then while we floundered in trying to win promotion to the Premier League, they managed it in 3 seasons. Even for our successes in Europe, their win at Valencia is probably the biggest win by a Welsh team ever in Europe.
One could almost say they've been a better run club as well, until recently and the Yanks took over.
Tosspots
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Is it bad if I’d prefer Stoke to go down?
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Wash DC Blue
Is it bad if I’d prefer Stoke to go down?
No
It's still SCFC so you are quids in
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NYCBlue
Impossible. They've been the most dominant team in Wales for the last 40 years. They will certainly finish above us.
said like a true caravan owner :P
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Cleve van Leef
No, they won’t go down. And that is good for Welsh football. Anyone who thinks otherwise is friggin’ stupid.
How many Welsh players in their team ?
Just asking, like ?
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I would take a certain pleasure from it.
Any rational adult would also recognise that it'd be a bit spiteful and infantile to do so.
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Divine Wright
I would take a certain pleasure from it.
Any rational adult would also recognise that it'd be a bit spiteful and infantile to do so.
Last sentence pretty much the DNA of most dedicated football fans when it comes to rivalry 🤔
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Unlikely but only 5 points above the relegation places
Is there a god ?
Not sure, but I might start Praying for this just in case there is, I would even go to church every Sunday until the end of the season and give up beer if that would help him help us!