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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36
Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.
...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:46
Farage is probably the bravest politician in the country - he says what people think.
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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 08:52
No, he says what some people think.
There is a reason for that, and it resides in the Senedd.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:21
Firstly i think that Cameron made a big error in allowing 6/7 of airtime to be given to political opponents - he should have just fought it out with Miliband and got 50% airtime. Last night was an unsuprising attack on him - he should have thought it through.
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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 08:52
Farage is probably the bravest politician in the country - he says what people think. He is right to say that NHS tourism is draining. If people are coming from abroad with HIV and getting thousands of pounds of treatment its because its not available where they come from. Its sad, its awful but they have their own countrys and i actually do begrudge paying for their care if its at Welsh peoples expense. We have to have our own house in order - thats basic economics.
coach loads of the ferkers, Farage told me so
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:51
Farage is probably the bravest politician in the country - he says what people think.
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:46
No, he says what some people think.
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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 08:52
Fortunately some of us know that immigrants are not responsible for every single problem this country has.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00
Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36
...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...
That is what this is all about. Prosperity for Welsh people. Any sort of rivalry between England and Wales outside of sport or crass jokes is frankly ridiculous.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:18
Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.
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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00
...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36
If I lived in Wales I would vote UKIP.
Or the politicians and/or electorate in England may consider that they would be better off without Wales, of course.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:21
Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:18
...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...
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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00
If I lived in Wales I would vote UKIP.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36
I understand they could not care less about Wales or Welsh history/culture but hear me out.
Why would they want to break up a 'union' (I use the term loosely) that has been 'successful' for 800 years?
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
Milliband cannot be taken seriously. Labour likewise.
Farage says it as it is; fair play to him. Danger is he'll take votes off the tories handing seats to the reds http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/yikes.gif
Sturgeon is a danger to Labour and made it clear she won't bed in with the socialists.
The Green aussie was just annoying.
The welsh one was feisty but that is about as far as it gets; showed her naivety by slagging off Nige.
Clegg on one hand slagged off Cameron then at the end wanted the electorate to let them (presumably the coalition) finish the job.
Clear winner was Cameron. He refused to be browbeaten by barbed accusations, and explained cogently and logically why the nation must vote in the tories for a majority term.
Only another 5 weeks of this.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:24
Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:21
...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:18
If I lived in Wales I would vote UKIP.
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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00
I understand they could not care less about Wales or Welsh history/culture but hear me out.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36
SNP support has/will surge. Another referendum will come and they will leave the union. If they are not asked to leave before that. Scottish succession is inevitable.
Your scenario was that the 'successful' union had already broken up to some degree. That being the case why would retaining Wales be so appealing to what would be a newly defined English electorate? It is hardly an economic powerhouse or heaving with natural resources.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
Well old Penguin certainly stirred it up there !! The thing with Farage is that like it or not his views on immigration are supported by around 20% of the population (maybe even more agree with much of it but will remain voting Tory or Labour). Anyone who doesn't believe this is I'm afraid pissing into the wind. If he can get something around that mark in the ballot box it may only produce five or six MPs but puts down a marker for future elections. Still if it's any consolation Marine Le Pen is up to around 30% of the French population when it comes to support.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12
Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.
you will never guess why - they are islands with limited space.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Cretin Hop wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:25
Milliband cannot be taken seriously. Labour likewise.
And who are the socialists?
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
Refusing to stop foreign aid is probably what I respect Cameron most for.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34
Well old Penguin certainly stirred it up there !! The thing with Farage is that like it or not his views on immigration are supported by around 20% of the population (maybe even more agree with much of it but will remain voting Tory or Labour). Anyone who doesn't believe this is I'm afraid pissing into the wind. If he can get something around that mark in the ballot box it may only produce five or six MPs but puts down a marker for future elections. Still if it's any consolation Marine Le Pen is up to around 30% of the French population when it comes to support.
The popularity of nationalistic parties always rises when there are economic difficulties. Am improvement in the economy will probably result in a decline in the popularity of UKIP.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34
Well old Penguin certainly stirred it up there !! The thing with Farage is that like it or not his views on immigration are supported by around 20% of the population (maybe even more agree with much of it but will remain voting Tory or Labour). Anyone who doesn't believe this is I'm afraid pissing into the wind. If he can get something around that mark in the ballot box it may only produce five or six MPs but puts down a marker for future elections. Still if it's any consolation Marine Le Pen is up to around 30% of the French population when it comes to support.
according to the loonies on this board then, 1 in 5 people in the country are racist uncaring scum http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Cretin Hop wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:25
Milliband cannot be taken seriously. Labour likewise.
Is that what you really want Wales? A country governed by milliband and some self-serving Scots (Wales will be even more marginalised if this is the case). Because that is what you will get as the only alternative is a centre-right Tory party coalition.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:40
Well old Penguin certainly stirred it up there !! The thing with Farage is that like it or not
his views on immigration are supported by around 20% of the population (maybe even more agree with much of it but will remain voting Tory or Labour). Anyone who doesn't believe this is I'm afraid pissing into the wind. If he can get something around that mark in the ballot box it may only produce five or six MPs but puts down a marker for future elections. Still if it's any consolation Marine Le Pen is up to around 30% of the French population when it comes to support.
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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34
It would be interesting to see who would vote for UKIP if Farage stepped down. The rest of his party has very limited visibility to say the least.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:39
Well old Penguin certainly stirred it up there !! The thing with Farage is that like it or not his views on immigration are supported by around 20% of the population (maybe even more agree with much of it but will remain voting Tory or Labour). Anyone who doesn't believe this is I'm afraid pissing into the wind. If he can get something around that mark in the ballot box it may only produce five or six MPs but puts down a marker for future elections. Still if it's any consolation Marine Le Pen is up to around 30% of the French population when it comes to support.
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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34
The popularity of nationalistic parties always rises when there are economic difficulties. Am improvement in the economy will probably result in a decline in the popularity of UKIP.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:30
Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:24
...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:21
If I lived in Wales I would vote UKIP.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:18
I understand they could not care less about Wales or Welsh history/culture but hear me out.
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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00
SNP support has/will surge. Another referendum will come and they will leave the union. If they are not asked to leave before that. Scottish succession is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36
When this point comes, Wales will have to decide if they want to stay part of the UK themselves or become a truly independent country. I think the best thing for Wales will be remaining part of the union with England but Wales will be able to negotiate a hell of deal for itself with England with the scots gone.
On your reasoning, why not get rid of all non-prosperous parts of the UK leaving just the South East?
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:44
Well old Penguin certainly stirred it up there !! The thing with Farage is that like it or not his views on immigration are supported by around 20% of the population (maybe even more agree with much of it but will remain voting Tory or Labour). Anyone who doesn't believe this is I'm afraid pissing into the wind. If he can get something around that mark in the ballot box it may only produce five or six MPs but puts down a marker for future elections. Still if it's any consolation Marine Le Pen is up to around 30% of the French population when it comes to support.
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:39
The popularity of nationalistic parties always rises when there are economic difficulties. Am improvement in the economy will probably result in a decline in the popularity of UKIP.
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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34
The flaw in that argument TBG is that the next Government will be led by Miliband or Cameron so it might be a rather long wait.
However, if he passes on the baton to another individual I think that UKIP will fade considerably
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
He will be the easy target for most. He doesn't want more foreigners using the NHS and doesn't like being part of Europe so the guy is clearly a racist.
I think he was the only one who has the balls to say what he really thinks and believes. Rest of the debate was pretty much the old rivals attacking each other with the other 3 just chipping in against labour and the tories.
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
Fair play there's a fair few bell ends in this thread
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Trigger wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:53
He will be the easy target for most. He doesn't want more foreigners using the NHS and doesn't like being part of Europe so the guy is clearly a racist.
Oh for **** sake. If not wanting to be part of the EU makes you a racist so were Tony Benn, Michael Foot, Peter Shore and Barbara Castle
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Re: The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.
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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:55
Fair play there's a fair few bell ends in this thread
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