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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
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I like the god of metalQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
As the man said “if I saw you choking to death in a restaurant, would you rather I perform the Heinlich Maneuver on you, or pray for you?”
That says it all for me lol!
You can be brainwashed in many different ways that are damaging, it's not just religion, for example some people think socialism is a good idea. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
But if God done everything for you what would be the point in living? I'm not religious I struggle to believe in both faith and scienceQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
In a clever piece of sleight of hand, religion has been replaced by the media, and people believe all of that crap instead :hehe:
Indeed but wether a capitalist or socialist the effect of such policies can be accurately assessed for example the Tories brought in the 1983 mental health act .....fact......it's lawQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
What facts are there to support the existence of an omnipresent , all powerful god ?
There are none
Sad but true :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Especially when that capitalist **** Murdoch owns half the press and fox newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I'm not saying there are but people still have faith and that's their choice, people like to have something to believe in imo, if that's what they want to do it's none of my business.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
But what when their faith leads to harm to others ? Young Catholic girls in Ireland for years had to go to dodgy black market back street abortionists , risking their lives , because the stupid Catholic faith in Ireland banned abortionQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I think that's everybody's business , don't you ?
Faith leading to laws in a modern country ?
Fecking worrying
And young Jewish boys all over the world having their genitals hacked at to remove their foreskins ? All because of faith ?
It's the dark ages , if people want to believe a load of crap that leads to the harm of others then thank feck people like Dawkins are there to challenge them
I think Murdoch is an evil capitalist , others think he is a great businessman, what he does have, until he dies , is a pulse , teeth etc , of that we can be certainQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
Religious people think there is someone up in the sky waiting for them !! They are deluded as unlike rupert Murdoch , we have never , ever found any evidence that God has teeth , bones or a fluffy white beard
If you do find any evidence let me know and I will be down the church in the morning
There is no evidence of Father Christmas flying around on a sleigh with his fluffy white beard either but we will still tell every child in the world that he exists to make them behave themselves this week :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As a baby and hardly out of the hospital my introduction to religion was a grubby bloke with a razor blade hacking at my genitalia.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As a teenager it was a ban on going out on Friday nights and when Christmas came around , well it didn't. Then I found out that a bacon sandwich or pigs in blankets were a one way ticket to eternal damnation.
Apparently, I was lucky as some other branches of this fairy story have all of the above and impose a booze ban.
The cleverer amongst you can argue about the theology behind it all but for the reasons above I'm out and will take my chances in believing in my own little private way of living.
If I am incorrect, then come the day of judgement I will have a long discussion with whichever version of the ultimate being turns out to somehow exist. Problem is as these believers cannot even agree what version is correct how on earth can we non believers take them seriously.
On a lighter note I need a cuppa and a sausage sandwich ( another mark in my ability to avoid hell) and the far more important debating point is HP or tomato sauce. Now that is a debate worth having.
Christians get away lightly compared to Wolves fans imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
People are leaving them alone. However, most of these debates spawn from religious people passing comments as fact and denouncing scientific discoveries as untrue. They also spawn from kids receiving blinkered education that deliberately offers one view and neglects to mention things such as evolution, age of the universe, existence of other worlds. You seem to be thinking that the skeptic community are just out there picking fights. We are not. Often comments from skeptics such as Dawkins are borne from someone dismissing, and attacking, science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
My own view is that religion holds people back, and that is a huge shame. It also indoctrinates children from an early age and that is a form of abuse - but it is acceptable because these children will grow up with greater morals than my kids (for example). I try to promote critical thinking with my kids and, if they emerge from that aupporting Judaism, Christianity or Islam then at least they will have made an informed choice. Too many people have had that taken from them.
That isn't me bashing religious people, by the way. That is me being frank about something that I see as a form of abuse. I grew up with grandparents threatening me with hell and rewarding me with heaven - it's pretty ****ed up when you look at it that way.
If someone claims to me that the earth is 6000 years old - then I tend to open up the discussion. If someone comes to me claiming Noah's Ark is a fact, I ask questions about the ridiculousness of it. These things have happened to me - I am not aware of many skeptics going up to religious people and bashing them. It's almost as if you are viewing anti-religious comments (that are based on scientific facts) as unsavoury - what next, Tory voters no longer allowed to laugh at Labour policies?
I am not anti religious people, I am anti religion. And, without going into details of my past, I have very good reasons for that.
With all due respect, I fail to understand how you struggle to have faith in science.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
A scientific experiment can be be carried out before your very eyes and the result will be there for you to witness for yourself.
For me, the question of whether God exists is a lower level discussion. Wheeling out science to disprove religion is too obvious. The aspects I find interesting are why did God come into being in the first place, why was religion allowed to fail, and what has replaced it? To find the answers you need to go back in history.
Only from the creation of everything I meantQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
A Short History Of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson is worth a read if interested in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
For what it's worth, it's easily the best science book that I've ever read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Only from that point onwards :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
It is an interesting question. Isn't it interesting that there are so many religions out there - all spawned (in my opinion) from people searching for answers to life. Mortality is a given, we are an intelligent mammal and that comes with ego. We are simply too important to just die. Or, we are too scared to just die. Therefore, there is either life after death (because we are special) or there needs to be life after death (consolation). When a loved one passes on, we can't think simply that they are dead, the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Also, religion is a tool for controlling population. Patriotism is another tool, As the Kinks sang
I was born, lucky me
In the land that I love
You can reword it
I worship, lucky me
The real God, like my dad
Putting the fear of God into people is a saying - but analyse it. The fear of God. That's a powerful tool. It's a tool that has been misused too - just ask some of the poor people who were abused by priests, imams or clergymen when they were kids. Doubtless, many of them were told of horrible repercussions in the afterlife should they ever tell.
Without any doubt, the concept of God came from the higher echelons of any civilization that invented a god. It is unlikely that God was created by a serf.