No confidence vote, against DRAKEFORD, from Welsh Tourist Body !!

“That's completely uncharacteristic of you, to play the man and not the ball - to use a football parlance.”

It’s not a game of football MATE, it’s more serious than that !!!

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Instinctively I like the more cautious approach followed by Drakeford. However, Drakeford is not paying for the furlough support or the absence of VAT or income tax receipts so is under far less pressure to get things moving than Johnson. I wonder if the Welsh government were directly affected by the drain on the National Exchequer he would employ a more liberal approach. At the moment I agree with the earlier post; Drakeford is in a win win situation and will be proven right especially if there is a second spike.

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If there is a second spike, then people will say he was wrong because - look, second spike.

I see we are opening borders for tourism now too. If there is a spike in cases in, say, Spain - we won't know until it is too late and, wham bam, back to square 1 or 2 if we're lucky. But, as long as the tourist industry can overcharge parents and families during August, it's all ok. Those self-employed cottage owners, restaurant owners and ice-cream vans will obviously be declaring their true earnings from now on, and so the extra taxes that they pay due to a new-found honesty can pay for the next batch of furlough. Marvellous.

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“That's completely uncharacteristic of you, to play the man and not the ball - to use a football parlance.”

It’s not a game of football MATE, it’s more serious than that !!!

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OK, so I understand now. Attacking a politician on a purely ad-hominem basis is equivalent to me voicing concerns on the impacts on people's health as a result of running out to "normality".

UK Government yesterday voted against testing NHS staff and Care workers on a weekly basis. Care workers are being tested weekly in Wales.

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OK, so I understand now. Attacking a politician on a purely ad-hominem basis is equivalent to me voicing concerns on the impacts on people's health as a result of running out to "normality".

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That’s a big bloody dictionary, you’ve swallowed there

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He’s playing with 11 men behind the ball, he’s got to attack some time.

There’s being careful and there’s being “Please god, don’t let me make a mistake”

Wales’s businesses are dying

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Yup and that could make a lot of people very un wealthy and no doubt un healthy. The health before wealth thing doesn’t really add up if you look at it more closely than that throw away comment....

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UK Government yesterday voted against testing NHS staff and Care workers on a weekly basis. Care workers are being tested weekly in Wales.

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It doesn’t really matter, does it !!!

That’s still 7 days to infect someone else. You could get tested on a Monday, catch it on a Tuesday, and go willy, nilly about your job, infecting patient’s, family and friends.

We’ve gotta start somewhere and being careful is the way forward, not relying on “week old tests”

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

UK Government yesterday voted against testing NHS staff and Care workers on a weekly basis. Care workers are being tested weekly in Wales.

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Doesn't Wales have the worst rates for care home infections?

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It doesn’t really matter, does it !!!

That’s still 7 days to infect someone else. You could get tested on a Monday, catch it on a Tuesday, and go willy, nilly about your job, infecting patient’s, family and friends.

We’ve gotta start somewhere and being careful is the way forward, not relying on “week old tests”

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If being careful is the way forward why doesn't Mark Drakeford get a rapid lockdown in action in North Wales. At least 51 cases in. Wrexham alone today. They are seeing as many cases in North Wales now as they did at the peak, yet the 'lets be caution approach' has given way to 'wait and see'.

He's doing a Boris when he should be acting

The Welsh Government approach to lockdown has become highly politicised with a focus on being seen to differentiate themselves from England (in advance of the inevitable public inquiry).

With infection rates now much lower than peak the 5 mile rule is causing far more harm than good. It should long since have been replaced with a proper test, track and trace system with local targeted lockdowns for disease outbreaks. Instead we have an unnecessary countrywide ban on travel which continues to cause psychological harm and economic ruin.

Covid-19 is a disease transmitted in cramped, indoor areas. Yet we live in a country where the government has made it illegal for you to set foot on Pen Y Fan but encourages you to spend the day inside St David’s shopping mall and queue in Debenhams for non-essential goods. The science tells us that healthy children under the age of 15 are more likely to die from a lightning strike than Covid-19 but our schools remain closed and our children suffer.

Drippy, Chippy et al are focussed on one thing which is saving their butts, fine but please stop telling us you are following the science when all you are interested in is following your instincts for political survival.

Drakeford is a complete tool, remember this is the clown who cancelled the M4 relief road after the WG spent £110M on three options - he clearly has no consideration of the Welsh economy

I don't think it's a case of "saving their butts", more Drakeford and Sturgeon playing games to aim for independence.

Eldest son has been given timetable for "return" to school. **** all work will take place, work remaining as being sent via internet. His vaunted "one day a week" is in fact one and a half hours in total. To get to school, it's a 20 minute walk to train station, 20 minutes on train and same for return journey - he'll be in school TEN MINUTES more than his travel time. The unions must be pissing themselves, knowing an independent Wales under Drakeford will enable them to massively take the piss.

Completely agree with your point about open spaces vs enclosed areas. It's just dumb and quite frankly, I doubt even the police take it that seriously.

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The Welsh Government approach to lockdown has become highly politicised with a focus on being seen to differentiate themselves from England (in advance of the inevitable public inquiry).

With infection rates now much lower than peak the 5 mile rule is causing far more harm than good. It should long since have been replaced with a proper test, track and trace system with local targeted lockdowns for disease outbreaks. Instead we have an unnecessary countrywide ban on travel which continues to cause psychological harm and economic ruin.

Covid-19 is a disease transmitted in cramped, indoor areas. Yet we live in a country where the government has made it illegal for you to set foot on Pen Y Fan but encourages you to spend the day inside St David’s shopping mall and queue in Debenhams for non-essential goods. The science tells us that healthy children under the age of 15 are more likely to die from a lightning strike than Covid-19 but our schools remain closed and our children suffer.

Drippy, Chippy et al are focussed on one thing which is saving their butts, fine but please stop telling us you are following the science when all you are interested in is following your instincts for political survival.

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Ok, where's your EVIDENCE for that polemic?

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I don't think it's a case of "saving their butts", more Drakeford and Sturgeon playing games to aim for independence.

Eldest son has been given timetable for "return" to school. **** all work will take place, work remaining as being sent via internet. His vaunted "one day a week" is in fact one and a half hours in total. To get to school, it's a 20 minute walk to train station, 20 minutes on train and same for return journey - he'll be in school TEN MINUTES more than his travel time. The unions must be pissing themselves, knowing an independent Wales under Drakeford will enable them to massively take the piss.

Completely agree with your point about open spaces vs enclosed areas. It's just dumb and quite frankly, I doubt even the police take it that seriously.

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Do you understand you've contradicted yourself in the space of one paragraph there?

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As mentioned elsewhere as total deaths and infection rates come down come down the R rate becomes less and less useful as a measure, although never completely so. The figures just need to be closely monitored and action taken when a particular area seems to increase, such as the meat plants in Anglesey. But there, where action should have been taken to control spread he has sat on his hands and done nothing!
Hospitals coped because of the lockdown enforced nationwide not be any particular thing that Mr Drakeford did. But they nearly ran out of PPE and nearly failed to appreciate the spread because of things he and his Minister said they had done or were going to do, and didn't!

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What abilities/qualifications/experience do you have in epidemiology to allow you to make such broad generalizations? Is this just more guessing on your part?

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What abilities/qualifications/experience do you have in epidemiology to allow you to make such broad generalizations? Is this just more guessing on your part?

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Chris Whitty stated this at the final Press Conference. I haven't a clue whether this is right but that is what was said.

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What abilities/qualifications/experience do you have in epidemiology to allow you to make such broad generalizations? Is this just more guessing on your part?

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What qualifications do you have to argue I'm wrong? this is a message board not a court of law you prat. I actually took the remark about the R rate being less important from a post by The Other Bob Wilson, whom you seem to admire. If you so obviously disbelieve it, take it up with him!!!

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Chris Whitty stated this at the final Press Conference. I haven't a clue whether this is right but that is what was said.

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Thank you!

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Yup and that could make a lot of people very un wealthy and no doubt un healthy. The health before wealth thing doesn’t really add up if you look at it more closely than that throw away comment....

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42,000 people croaked it, possibly as many as 60,000. What value do you put on their lives? What value do you put on the lives saved due to the measures taken?

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That’s a big bloody dictionary, you’ve swallowed there

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Which word didn't you understand?

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Which word didn't you understand?

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All of them :hehe::hehe::hehe:

I have found in life, that when people start to use words not in everyday use, it’s because they have lost the debate, so try to appear clever as they scoot away, with their tail between their legs .

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It doesn’t really matter, does it !!!

That’s still 7 days to infect someone else. You could get tested on a Monday, catch it on a Tuesday, and go willy, nilly about your job, infecting patient’s, family and friends.

We’ve gotta start somewhere and being careful is the way forward, not relying on “week old tests”

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Ah, so best not test anyone then? As long as we are careful and go on the attack, get men ahead of the ball, it will all blow over. I believe that you are the type of person that Johnson targets when he talks of "British common sense". Best in the world. It's worked really well so far.

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What qualifications do you have to argue I'm wrong? this is a message board not a court of law you prat. I actually took the remark about the R rate being less important from a post by The Other Bob Wilson, whom you seem to admire. If you so obviously disbelieve it, take it up with him!!!

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So that's none then.

Yours,
The "prat"

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So that's none then.

Yours,
The "prat"

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You have so much to say for yourself. what are your qualifications on the subject. you by-passed that didn't you, it's none prat!!!! But you won't admit you may have been on the wrong side of that little point will you? not a fecking chance!!! Just deflect!!

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All of them :hehe::hehe::hehe:

I have found in life, that when people start to use words not in everyday use, it’s because they have lost the debate, so try to appear clever as they scoot away, with their tail between their legs .

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Yeah, that's what they call a chip on the shoulder.