Ok ........who the feck do we think we are ?

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I was firmly in the pi$$ed off camp last night. I still am today but to a lesser extent.

It wasn't the defeat, it was the manner of defeat.

Do you think the fans of every club would not moan if they lost like that in a home play off leg? If you think that is only reserved for the big clubs and plastic fans then you are wrong.

Yes, we are Cardiff City. Yes, we have been average to shite for as long as most of us can remember barring a few cup finals and a few stints in the promised land but that still doesn't mean we have to congratulate the team for a very sub par performance. I don't buy that Fulham are all that great for one second. If they were that good they would have gone up in the autos in what was a very average Championship.
It seems because we were shite you always have to cast memory back to that when the team play badly now. It isn't necessary.

People, including myself, have praised Harris and the squad for getting 5th spot and rightly so. He has done a very good job and was on a hiding to nothing when he came in.

Getting to 5th makes it all the more harder to stomach such a flat and passive performance though. Could we not have pressured Fulham more and give them more to think about like Wigan and Sheffield Wednesday did recently? Of course we could. Does questioning that mean we should go and support one of the big four rather than City? Not really.

To question fans support for the club because they are pissed off after a defeat is weird. It shows passion and that this team not being successful effects them. They could question why you're not a bit more pissed off by the loss.
I find it odd when people can witness such a defeat and be almost unmoved by it. Each to their own. We all support City and react to losses in different ways.

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You are confusing opinions about wether or not A should have played instead of B with the managers crap , mozzer , a colossus for most of the season , crap , pack , crap , why didn't we buy a striker etc etc

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

well I think we agree with that but a lot of the comments were basically hanging the team out to dry , its self defeating and when its done at the ground the effect it can have on the players is enormous

Steve mcphail told me that for his first few seasons he was always wanting to get rid of the ball because he could hear the abuse around the ground

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Ex Leeds Steve McPhail who played in Istanbul in the Champions League wanting to ship the ball off quickly for seasons on end because of a few groans from the Bob Bank is very peculiar.

I'm not saying he didn't say that but this is a player who would have felt the wrath of Elland Road when he wasn't playing well and, as mentioned, the white hot atmosphere of Galatasaray welcoming Leeds to town.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are confusing opinions about wether or not A should have played instead of B with the managers crap , mozzer , a colossus for most of the season , crap , pack , crap , why didn't we buy a striker etc etc

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Isn't thinking the manager is crap or outfield players are good/bad/whatever not an opinion?

What do you think message boards should be discussing?

You check most message boards of fans of other clubs and in the main they all revert to this kind of thing, especially after a defeat.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Players get analysed for their performances time and again. I don't think it is just a Cardiff City thing.
As you've said there are worse than us as a fan base and there are better in terms of not giving it to their own players.

I'm not sure what you think will happen after a performance like that though.
No posts or posts saying 'we lost but that's ok, at least we finished fifth' immediately after the game is wishful thinking.

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there were a few posts saying we were beaten by a better side , it was one game too many , the players looked exhausted , we have a good squad base for next season , far more constructive IMO

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

there were a few posts saying we were beaten by a better side , it was one game too many , the players looked exhausted , we have a good squad base for next season , far more constructive IMO

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You will always get varying reactions though.

Like it or not but the majority of those saying a and b are rubbish and that we lacked passion etc support the club as much as the next City fan.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Ex Leeds Steve McPhail who played in Istanbul in the Champions League wanting to ship the ball off quickly for seasons on end because of a few groans from the Bob Bank is very peculiar.

I'm not saying he didn't say that but this is a player who would have felt the wrath of Elland Road when he wasn't playing well and, as mentioned, the white hot atmosphere of Galatasaray welcoming Leeds to town.

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I can assure you it happened . I was sitting next to him , his wife and kids just after he returned from his cancer scare . We talked about his time at cardiff city and he said it was so great to hear his name sung in his first game back after he finished treatment . He then went on to say his relationship with the cardiff fans hadn't always been like that .

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Isn't thinking the manager is crap or outfield players are good/bad/whatever not an opinion?

What do you think message boards should be discussing?

You check most message boards of fans of other clubs and in the main they all revert to this kind of thing, especially after a defeat.

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well thankfully this board is one of the few that doesn't continually go on about tactics , players etc

Thinking we need a new striker is way different from saying paterson , who has scored a fair few goals from what is not a natural position for him .....is " crap "

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

You will always get varying reactions though.

Like it or not but the majority of those saying a and b are rubbish and that we lacked passion etc support the club as much as the next City fan.

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how do you know ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

well thankfully this board is one of the few that doesn't continually go on about tactics , players etc

Thinking we need a new striker is way different from saying paterson , who has scored a fair few goals from what is not a natural position for him .....is " crap "

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But surely the points are all related. People just have different ways of putting things across than others.

One man would say we need a new holding midfielder, another might say Pack is useless, another between the two and say Pack lacks pace and fails to protect the defence. You'll always get the different viewpoints and varying ways of putting them viewpoints across.

It has always amazed me how people watching the same a game or player's performance can see them in so many varying ways but that's the beauty of the game I suppose.

If you're worried about players reading this message board and having their feelings hurt then they'd best not go anywhere near Facebook or, even worse, Twitter. They'll be inconsolable.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

how do you know ?

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I know a few that get irate and go all over to watch this club. I'm one of them. For somebody to question my support because of my reaction is wrong.

How do you know an irate response and calling a player crap means they don't support the club as much as another with a more reasoned and calm response?

I'm sure most support the team for the 90 minutes in the ground. You have moaners, you always will in any walk of life. You'll find them everywhere though, down the pub, in a restaurant, in work. Everywhere.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I know a few that get irate and go all over to watch this club. I'm one of them. For somebody to question my support because of my reaction is wrong.

How do you know an irate response and calling a player crap means they don't support the club as much as another with a more reasoned and calm response?

I'm sure most support the team for the 90 minutes in the ground. You have moaners, you always will in any walk of life. You'll find them everywhere though, down the pub, in a restaurant, in work. Everywhere.

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You said a majority

You have no idea

Most of our fan base don't use the various messageboards

There are posters on here who go week in week out , some who go to home games , some who go to a few games a season , some who cannot attend but still support the club, exiles living in China, America, Swansea......

And some who have not been to watch Cardiff in decades and just slag off the club

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You said a majority

You have no idea

Most of our fan base don't use the various messageboards

There are posters on here who go week in week out , some who go to home games , some who go to a few games a season , some who cannot attend but still support the club, exiles living in China, America, Swansea......

And some who have not been to watch Cardiff in decades and just slag off the club

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Firstly, if they didn't care about City why would they come on here straight after the game to vent. Just because it isn't in a way that's to your liking doesn't mean their support should be questioned.

People have the right to put their point across as they see fit as long as it breaks no rules on here. You're as well within your right to disagree with it. I personally don't think they should go and support another team though. There has been years of that. The more the merrier down the City for me.

You say I have no idea. If we're being truthful neither do you unless you're going through our database with a clip board.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Firstly, if they didn't care about City why would they come on here straight after the game to vent. Just because it isn't in a way that's to your liking doesn't mean their support should be questioned.

People have the right to put their point across as they see fit as long as it breaks no rules on here. You're as well within your right to disagree with it. I personally don't think they should go and support another team though. There has been years of that. The more the merrier down the City for me.

You say I have no idea. If we're being truthful neither do you unless you're going through our database with a clip board.

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Your comments are bang on the money LewI.

At least you post discussing the team, all Sludge does is post sexual innuendo about women.

A sad old bloke sat at home knocking one out watching Pornhub every night!

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Firstly, if they didn't care about City why would they come on here straight after the game to vent. Just because it isn't in a way that's to your liking doesn't mean their support should be questioned.

People have the right to put their point across as they see fit as long as it breaks no rules on here. You're as well within your right to disagree with it. I personally don't think they should go and support another team though. There has been years of that. The more the merrier down the City for me.

You say I have no idea. If we're being truthful neither do you unless you're going through our database with a clip board.

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Well the definition of the term supporter is to support

They come on here straight after the game to vent because they enjoy venting

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Originally Posted by Bluebird23

Your comments are bang on the money LewI.

At least you post discussing the team, all Sludge does is post sexual innuendo about women.

A sad old bloke sat at home knocking one out watching Pornhub every night!

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You are one of the worst offenders of the lot , reading your verbal tirade against harris and the players last night was laughable, you havnt been on here for the last few months as we edged our way up the table , a poor first leg and you want everyone shot



I don't watch porn , I prefer the natural approach

Can they not show their displeasure if they think that the team hasn't performed how it should?
If they can then where are they meant to show it?

You do realise that people can support the team in person for 90 minutes but show displeasure or vent elsewhere. It happens a lot. Message boards are full of it.

Some fair points..i admit i had a little blow out yesterday even if i was just being painfully realistic.
But we are not in the same box as Watford 7 season best table position 11th, Burnley 6 seasons 7th pos, Palace 11 season 10th pos
We are i'm sorry to say more like Swindon, Huddersfield Oldham and Blackpool.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

some fair points..i admit i had a little blow out yesterday even if i was just being painfully realistic.
But we are not in the same box as watford 7 season best pos 11th, burnley 6 seasons 7th pos, palace 11 season 10th pos
We are im sorry to say more like swindon, huddersfield oldham and blackpool.

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I think we are bigger club wise than Watford, burnley , Palace and Bournemouth and certainly Swansea but Swansea, Watford, Burnley etc have managed to get promoted and stay there .

Until we are able to do that we have to accept that we are where we are

If morrison was a world class player he would be in the Liverpool or man City squad

He isn't but he's a bluebird and fulham clearly have a better team than us , things are what they are

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Can they not show their displeasure if they think that the team hasn't performed how it should?
If they can then where are they meant to show it?

You do realise that people can support the team in person for 90 minutes but show displeasure or vent elsewhere. It happens a lot. Message boards are full of it.

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there are city fans who make a career out of scowling about the team on here and at the ground , its been going on for years

I frequent 2 Cardiff City Message boards and view Cardiff City social media pages and this forum is far and away, by some distance, the most hysterical after a defeat. I am surprised at this to be honest as its no secret the age bracket on this forum is above average compared to the other mediums and so the sort of hysterical reaction you would expect from younger fans who have only known the relatively good times in the last 10-15 years.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

You like making threads don't you.

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Hes like the blind man who throws enough darts and eventually hits the bullseye. Hes all about quantity rather than quality is ol Sludge.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

there are city fans who make a career out of scowling about the team on here and at the ground , its been going on for years

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Blue Lewj was never watching the team again until we sacked Harris and before Harris had even taken charge of a match. He makes Victor Meldrew look like hes drank a home brew of magic mushrooms.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Blue Lewj was never watching the team again until we sacked Harris and before Harris had even taken charge of a match. He makes Victor Meldrew look like hes drank a home brew of magic mushrooms.

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What on earth are you on about?

I didn't say anything of the sort. Got any proof?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You have to make a stand against the forces of darkness

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And spiders