Re: Knuckledraggers are back
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Harry Paget Flashman
Those comments hurt my brain.
I can't believe people are so stupid.
BLM a billionaire supported Marxist, Fascist and Communist political movement - morons or bots?
I haven’t lived in blighty for ages, but in that radio clip they keep mentioning George Floyd. Surely they have gotten the wrong end of the stick? The Black Lives Matter action in football grounds in the UK is nothing to do with that, surely? It’s message is anti-racism, isn’t it?
Just for clarity, BLM in the USA was created with, and continues to be financially supported by, the Open Society Foundation, which is In effect George Soros, the well-known billionaire who famously “broke the Bank of England”
Until recently, BLM in the USA was openly Marxist, as mentioned on their website. However, public awareness and criticism, along with cuts in financial support from many big corporations, saw BLM remove references to Marxism and their wish to destroy the nuclear family. Many corporate sponsors walked away from BLM as they appeared to not actually provide financial support to small black businesses or small good causes. From memory, I think big companies such as Boeing and AT&T withdrew funding and instead set up their own grassroots foundations to provide help where it was really needed, such as the support and creation of new black-owned businesses and support for youth groups and funding for schools/education.
Not sure where “fascist” comes from in relation to BLM, though.
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Why is marxism seen as such a bad thing?
Re: Knuckledraggers are back
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Originally Posted by
Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond
I haven’t lived in blighty for ages, but in that radio clip they keep mentioning George Floyd. Surely they have gotten the wrong end of the stick? The Black Lives Matter action in football grounds in the UK is nothing to do with that, surely? It’s message is anti-racism, isn’t it?
Just for clarity, BLM in the USA was created with, and continues to be financially supported by, the Open Society Foundation, which is In effect George Soros, the well-known billionaire who famously “broke the Bank of England”
Until recently, BLM in the USA was openly Marxist, as mentioned on their website. However, public awareness and criticism, along with cuts in financial support from many big corporations, saw BLM remove references to Marxism and their wish to destroy the nuclear family. Many corporate sponsors walked away from BLM as they appeared to not actually provide financial support to small black businesses or small good causes. From memory, I think big companies such as Boeing and AT&T withdrew funding and instead set up their own grassroots foundations to provide help where it was really needed, such as the support and creation of new black-owned businesses and support for youth groups and funding for schools/education.
Not sure where “fascist” comes from in relation to BLM, though.
Doesn't open society just fund civil rights movements and things like that? It seems a bit disingenuous to say it was created by them and George Soros.
Almost seems like a bit of alt right propaganda trying to undermine what is basically a rich man supporting good causes.
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Croesy Blue
Doesn't open society just fund civil rights movements and things like that? It seems a bit disingenuous to say it was created by them and George Soros.
Almost seems like a bit of alt right propaganda trying to undermine what is basically a rich man supporting good causes.
I was adding clarity to comments made by another poster. BLM IS a political movement, it IS supported by a billionaire and it DID espouse Marxist ideology, removing references to Marxism from its website just recently.
As for Marxism....
obviously, we still have the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. The former are getting richer as they control politicians, who make decisions (and laws) on their behalf. We are seeing a steady wealth (and power) distribution In favour of the rich. Profit actually IS a kind of theft. (Unless WE are the ones making the profit, of course😄)
Marxism would be wonderful, but, human nature is such that the decision-makers are prone to seeing themselves as better than the proles and will almost certainly become the new bourgeoisie.
Anyway........
Going back to the topic, football needs to get rid of the BLM connection as it was made in haste and was ill-advised, IMHO. Football should have it’s own anti-racism campaign, which, if created in conjunction with lots of stakeholders, should have a greater impact and universal support.
Also, football clubs are private businesses, so have the right to ban people from their premises. I don’t think people should be banned for booing, but they should be banned for using racist language. Ban a racist and that’s one less for the rest of us to suffer.
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Marxism would be wonderful, but, human nature is such that the decision-makers are prone to seeing themselves as better than the proles and will almost certainly become the new bourgeoisie.
This doesn't explain why Marxism is seen so negatively though does it? It's just why every political ideology doesn't work.
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Croesy Blue
This doesn't explain why Marxism is seen so negatively though does it? It's just why every political ideology doesn't work.
I would imagine it is seen negatively because of its (perceived/purported) application in Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba and Eastern Bloc countries. Now, I realise that Stalin, Mao, etc didn’t correctly apply Marxist principles, but people’s perception is that it didn’t work. I can’t think of one country that has ever correctly/successfully lived Marxism.
There are other, obvious, reasons why Marxism isn’t thought of positively. If you were one of the parasite class and owned the banks and the media and BlackRock and Vanguard, etc, etc, would you allow your newspapers, tv, movies or websites to promote an ideology that is totally opposed to that which keeps you rich and powerful? Of course not.
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Oh, and the reason why society is constantly being promoted as being so divided is because those that own the media want it that way. Imagine how dangerous it could be For them if all the blacks and whites, Catholics and Protestants, Jews and Muslims, straights and gays, male and female, pro brexit and anti brexit, Democrat and republican, labour and tory were all as one, instead of divided.
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Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond
Oh, and the reason why society is constantly being promoted as being so divided is because those that own the media want it that way. Imagine how dangerous it could be For them if all the blacks and whites, Catholics and Protestants, Jews and Muslims, straights and gays, male and female, pro brexit and anti brexit, Democrat and republican, labour and tory were all as one, instead of divided.
A few years ago, you used to say that Islam was going to take over western society.
