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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
I would laugh like a drain if arsenal , united , Liverpool, spurs, Chelsea or Everton went down
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tforturton
The Premier is destroying the rest of the league, with their arrogance and greed.
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
it doesn't matter how, it just is. I think we're also due another beginning of the end for football today or tomorrow as well
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
EPPP, taking the vast majority of the TV money, bullying the EFL over money, Project Big Picture, a massive disparity between the EFL clubs and the PL, tipping the scales in favour of the big clubs at almost every opportunity and giving the top clubs a bigger slice of international TV rights, using COVID as an opportunity to push things through.
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Pedro de la Rosa
EPPP, taking the vast majority of the TV money, bullying the EFL over money, Project Big Picture, a massive disparity between the EFL clubs and the PL, tipping the scales in favour of the big clubs at almost every opportunity and giving the top clubs a bigger slice of international TV rights, using COVID as an opportunity to push things through.
Righto. But let's assume all of that is true. How is any of it 'destroying' the rest of the league?
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
If you are that entwined in watching live football on sky and cannot see the money from what you pay is going to the big clubs and everyone else is left to fight over the scraps then you need to go to night school
Its football capitalism , the survival of the fittest or in this case , the richest
The amount of money sloshing around in the modern game is staggering
And almost all of it goes to the big boys at the top
People far more intelligent than you have been talking about this disparity for years
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
This is a joke right ?
I worry that any football fan outside of the big boys can even suggest it isn't and hasn't been since it was formed
The Premier league is one big huge dollop of shite for the rest of football
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The Lone Gunman
Righto. But let's assume all of that is true. How is any of it 'destroying' the rest of the league?
EPPP means that when a EFL club gets a decent player, the PL club can steal them for peanuts, the lifeline for EFL clubs has gone. We'd have got about 50k for Ramsey for example, we got stiffed on Matondo. The level of financial disparity is killing the league and the need for PP means that something is drastically wrong. Look at all the clubs going bust or going into administration. It isn't right and that's because all the top clubs are keeping the money for themselves.
I don't think any of what I wrote is untrue, either and most of it is fact.
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Pedro de la Rosa
EPPP means that when a EFL club gets a decent player, the PL club can steal them for peanuts, the lifeline for EFL clubs has gone. The level of financial disparity is killing the league and the need for PP means that something is drastically wrong. Look at all the clubs going bust or going into administration
What's PP? I don't know what that is.
As regards 'all of the clubs going bust or into administration', who are you referring to? And why did they end up in the situation they found themselves in?
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The Lone Gunman
What's PP? I don't know what that is.
As regards 'all of the clubs going bust or into administration', who are you referring to? And why did they end up in the situation they found themselves in?
You sound like a tory mp ff sake
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The Lone Gunman
What's PP? I don't know what that is.
As regards 'all of the clubs going bust or into administration', who are you referring to? And why did they end up in the situation they found themselves in?
Parachute Payments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admini...administration
There's a list here, it's pretty big. Financial mis-management, gambing on the PL promotion or reeling from the effects of getting relegated.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You sound like a tory mp ff sake
The Tory MP criticised the Premier League...
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Pedro de la Rosa
The Tory MP criticised the Premier League...
Tory mps and the Premier league are blood brothers
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Pedro de la Rosa
Isn't it odd how so many clubs have entered administration since the formation of the Premier league ?
Odd that
Predicted by David Conn is his excellent book searching for the soul of football
Clubs desperate to get into the big time , especially from the championship , have spent money on wages to try and go up
We did it for years and years under hammam then under Jones
We nearly lost the club
If there was a fairer distribution of money in football the need for clubs to gamble wouldn't happen and the likes of Bury would have a football club for their loyal band of fans to support
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Pedro de la Rosa
Financial mis-management, gambling on the PL promotion or reeling from the effects of getting relegated.
Basically, what you're saying is that those clubs went into administration or went bust due to poor financial management of one sort or another and let's be honest - that's been happening in professional football for many decades. I think it's something of a leap to equate the problems at small clubs like Bury with the Premier League, while the Wigan situation can't be levelled at the Premier League either - they got relegated in 2013 and went into administration in 2020. Same story with Bolton - relegated in 2012, administration in 2019.
I wouldn't argue that the financial disparity between the top clubs and the rest is bigger than ever, but clubs in the lower divisions (including the Championship) do not get into financial trouble because of the Premier League - they get there because they continually spend money they don't have, and that's not a recent development either.
However, on the disparity issues, it has to be considered that clubs like Swansea and Bournemouth have had more success in terms of their league standings in recent years than at any other time in their long histories and the same will be true of Brighton if they stay up this year.
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The Lone Gunman
Basically, what you're saying is that those clubs went into administration or went bust due to poor financial management of one sort or another and let's be honest - that's been happening in professional football for many decades. I think it's something of a leap to equate the problems at small clubs like Bury with the Premier League, while the Wigan situation can't be levelled at the Premier League either - they got relegated in 2013 and went into administration in 2020. Same story with Bolton - relegated in 2012, administration in 2019.
I wouldn't argue that the financial disparity between the top clubs and the rest is bigger than ever, but clubs in the lower divisions (including the Championship) do not get into financial trouble because of the Premier League - they get there because they continually spend money they don't have, and that's not a recent development either.
However, on the disparity issues, it has to be considered that clubs like Swansea and Bournemouth have had more success in terms of their league standings in recent years than at any other time in their long histories and the same will be true of Brighton if they stay up this year.
Swansea did fantastically well, while Bournemouth and Brighton are owned by multi billionaires pumping massive sums into the club. Bournemouth cheated the FFP rules to get up for a start.
Now it's getting to the stage, if you don't have billions of pounds you can't even get bottom half PL. Did Bournemouth or Brighton finish in the top half with all the money they've spent? The gap is getting bigger and bigger, and it will only continue to do so.
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Pedro de la Rosa
The gap is getting bigger and bigger, and it will only continue to do so.
Fair enough. That's an opinion and I'm not going to argue with it as it's merely speculation. But how does it equate to the original claim that the Premier League is 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
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The Lone Gunman
Fair enough. That's an opinion and I'm not going to argue with it as it's merely speculation. But how does it equate to the original claim that the Premier League is 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
Because there's not enough money in the game, EPPP takes more money out if and there's 15/20 clubs that realistically think they can get promoted to the PL in a few seasons, are all gambling and are looking at financial oblivion.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Because there's not enough money in the game, EPPP takes more money out if and there's 15/20 clubs that realistically think they can get promoted to the PL in a few seasons, are all gambling and are looking at financial oblivion.
Not enough money in the game for what exactly?
Some more questions: has there ever been enough money in the English game to comfortably support 92 fully professional clubs? Why does the English set-up have so many fully professional clubs by comparison to the other major European leagues? What benefits does the game in England derive by having four fully professional divisions?
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The Lone Gunman
Not enough money in the game for what exactly?
Some more questions: has there ever been enough money in the English game to comfortably support 92 fully professional clubs? Why does the English set-up have so many fully professional clubs by comparison to the other major European leagues? What benefits does the game in England derive by having four fully professional divisions?
Where else is there a country where a club could get 3/4000 fans in the 8th tier like Hereford have got? Every club in the top 6 divisions thinks they have a chance to do something. It means that we have a strong FA cup, a strong league pyramid and you've mentioned 3 teams above in the PL, all of them have been in the bottom division this century.
Where else is there the level of financial disparity between the haves and have nots?
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Wasting your time debating with someone who disputes that the gap between the big clubs and the rest is getting wider and wider
Every new TV deal sees more and more money going to the greedy feckers
Its great to be in that league but its like sleeping with the devil 🤘
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The Lone Gunman
Not enough money in the game for what exactly?
Some more questions: has there ever been enough money in the English game to comfortably support 92 fully professional clubs? Why does the English set-up have so many fully professional clubs by comparison to the other major European leagues? What benefits does the game in England derive by having four fully professional divisions?
ladies and gentlemen let me introduce you to the regional public relations officer for the Premier league
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Pedro de la Rosa
Where else is there a country where a club could get 3/4000 fans in the 8th tier like Hereford have got? Every club in the top 6 divisions thinks they have a chance to do something. It means that we have a strong FA cup, a strong league pyramid and you've mentioned 3 teams above in the PL, all of them have been in the bottom division this century.
Where else is there the level of financial disparity between the haves and have nots?
I think we should all get rid of Walsall, Swindon , Oxford and Rochdale and support Liverpool, man United and the other big boys
Pay that subscription!
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Pedro de la Rosa
Where else is there the level of financial disparity between the haves and have nots?
How about Spain, Germany, Italy and France?
You say we have a strong FA Cup. But what does that actually mean? The fact of the matter is that it's been 40 years since a club from outside the top flight won the FA Cup, and it's something that has only happened three times in the last 90 years.
I note you didn't attempt to answer any of the questions I asked, so I'll ask them again:
1) Has there ever been enough money in the English game to comfortably support 92 fully professional clubs?
2) Why does the English set-up have so many fully professional clubs by comparison to the other major European leagues?
3) What benefits does the game in England derive by having four fully professional divisions?
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The questions are not aimed at me, but i’m gonna have ago anyway😀
1 i would say at one stage their would have been enough money in the the game to fully support 92 clubs. I’m talking days gone by, when their was very little football on TV, very few other social pastimes, foreign players were very rare, and players wages were minuscule ( in comparison to today).
2. I’d guess that the answer to this, is connected to Q1. In days gone by supply and demand crowd wise, and competitive natures, would have seen many clubs taking the step up to professional status.
3. Imo, there is no benefit now, in having 4 professional divisions. In todays footballing world, i’m amazed that they all survive.
The big 6 in the premier league owe all the smaller clubs diddly squat. In all walks of life, it’s survival of the fittest, whether we like it or not.
The big problem with this though, and this applies to Scotland as well, each of these smaller clubs have a nucleus of die hard fans who go home and away, and gave done all their lives. It’s gonna be heartbreaking for them, when the pyramid eventually collapses, and dire financial situations force many of these smaller clubs to fold.
Future generations would go on to support the nearest professional team to them, but as in all walks of life, whether it be an old factory, an old mining pit or and old football ground, it is always so sad at the time, to see them disappear into history.