Anyone using P and O Ferries this summer?

Would EU employment laws have prevented this?

We should just boycott them looking at average earning they don't earn a fortune

The average P&O Ferries salary ranges from approximately £14,947 per year for Operations Clerk to £89,450 per year for Service Crew. Average P&O Ferries hourly pay ranges from approximately £8.08 per hour for Stewardess to £11.96 per hour for Credit Controller.

However its seems they are better payers than most in that industry ??

I wouldn't be surprised if are-branding exercise takes place in due course.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Would EU employment laws have prevented this?

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No. And what they have done is allegedly illegal anyway.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Would EU employment laws have prevented this?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No. And what they have done is allegedly illegal anyway.

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One observer said this morning that the payroll company is registered in Guernsey, so is not covered by UK or EU employment laws.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

When people are trying to defend the obscene wages and bonuses CEOs and other big wigs in private companies are paid, they say that you have to pay the going rate for such talent. What sort of "talent" is required to give the okay both to what P and O did and the way they went about doing it? There are kids who'll be going past my house soon on their way to the local primary school who know that, purely in PR terms, what P and O did was score a huge own goal yesterday. Even Putin didn't have the whole of Parliament against him when he sanctioned the invasion of Ukraine, but P and O have managed it - I still can't figure out whether whoever sanctioned that awful video shown yesterday was affected by arrogance or cowardice, probably it was both, but they were definitely incredibly stupid.

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Totally agree, this talent notion is bullshit anyway. Connections are what matter, not merit in such lofty positions.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

When people are trying to defend the obscene wages and bonuses CEOs and other big wigs in private companies are paid, they say that you have to pay the going rate for such talent. What sort of "talent" is required to give the okay both to what P and O did and the way they went about doing it? There are kids who'll be going past my house soon on their way to the local primary school who know that, purely in PR terms, what P and O did was score a huge own goal yesterday. Even Putin didn't have the whole of Parliament against him when he sanctioned the invasion of Ukraine, but P and O have managed it - I still can't figure out whether whoever sanctioned that awful video shown yesterday was affected by arrogance or cowardice, probably it was both, but they were definitely incredibly stupid.

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The majority of people (not all) will vote with their pocket and this will all be forgotten about in a few months time.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

The majority of people (not all) will vote with their pocket and this will all be forgotten about in a few months time.

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Sadly this is true.
Today's news, tomorrow's kebab wrapping.

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Which reminds me, anything happen to that bloke who had that lockdown party?

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

The majority of people (not all) will vote with their pocket and this will all be forgotten about in a few months time.

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I don’t think this will have an effect on how people vote in itself, and, anyway, every Tory I’ve heard speak on the subject has been scathing about P and O, but it does add to what I think, and hope, is a growing impression among the public that there are some pretty thick and completely selfish people in positions of power these days - it’s probably always been the case, but there doesn’t half seem to be a lot of them at the moment.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I don’t think this will have an effect on how people vote in itself, and, anyway, every Tory I’ve heard speak on the subject has been scathing about P and O, but it does add to what I think, and hope, is a growing impression among the public that there are some pretty thick and completely selfish people in positions of power these days - it’s probably always been the case, but there doesn’t half seem to be a lot of them at the moment.

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Why on earth would you expect anything other than being scathing about this, irrespective of how they may vote?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Why on earth would you expect anything other than being scathing about this, irrespective of how they may vote?

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I was saying this matter is non political in so far as all politicians I’ve heard talk about it have been scathing about P and O, but if you want to make it political, which party do you think it’s most likely those who came to the decision voted for in 2019? Could it be the one with a historic tendency to ride roughshod over worker’s rights?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Totally agree. In terms of their methods there is probably a covid element here. "We needed to fire them in a safe manner, which was via pre recorded video etc". Utter fkn arseholes.

I'm on a ferry this summer, but it's Brittany Ferries. East for me me to say but I would strongly urge people to look at them and Irish Ferries and Stena. I can't say Ive heard of worse corporate behaviour than P&O on this

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Irish ferries have some pretty shady employment practices themselves mind. I think they went down the cheap agency route a good few years ago.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I don’t think this will have an effect on how people vote in itself, and, anyway, every Tory I’ve heard speak on the subject has been scathing about P and O, but it does add to what I think, and hope, is a growing impression among the public that there are some pretty thick and completely selfish people in positions of power these days - it’s probably always been the case, but there doesn’t half seem to be a lot of them at the moment.

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I meant more literally people will have some form of cognitive dissonance and whilst criticising them still use their services

Always happens

Let’s be honest most companies would get away with murder if not for employment laws, the more they’re stripped away, the further those in charge will go. As TOBW states those with leanings to the Tory party are more likely to be complicit with this. It’s not a big secret.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

I meant more literally people will have some form of cognitive dissonance and whilst criticising them still use their services

Always happens

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You could be right, but, for me, this is worse than a Ratners moment for P and O because of the heartlessness of it at a time when there’s a cost of living crisis going on and also the manner they went about informing the sacked workers of their decision - I reckon TBG is right when he suggests a rebranding exercise in the fairly near future.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Let’s be honest most companies would get away with murder if not for employment laws, the more they’re stripped away, the further those in charge will go. As TOBW states those with leanings to the Tory party are more likely to be complicit with this. It’s not a big secret.

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How do you work that one out? No member of any party would support the (supposedly illegal) sacking of hundreds of workers and replacement with cheaper agency (supposedly largely foreign) Labour.

If any party did support such actions - and the dont - such an accusation could be thrown at all parties.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

How do you work that one out? No member of any party would support the (supposedly illegal) sacking of hundreds of workers and replacement with cheaper agency (supposedly largely foreign) Labour.

If any party did support such actions - and the dont - such an accusation could be thrown at all parties.

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What a cnut

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

How do you work that one out? No member of any party would support the (supposedly illegal) sacking of hundreds of workers and replacement with cheaper agency (supposedly largely foreign) Labour.

If any party did support such actions - and the dont - such an accusation could be thrown at all parties.

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So you don’t agree that Tory leaning people would be the ones most likely to support the stripping away of workers’ rights.

Another piece by James Wales’ favourite political columnist for him to read. This one is about P and O with some interesting Linked In opinions about that tosser in the video - seems like a dyed in the wool socialist to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...erry-employees

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

How do you work that one out? No member of any party would support the (supposedly illegal) sacking of hundreds of workers and replacement with cheaper agency (supposedly largely foreign) Labour.

If any party did support such actions - and the dont - such an accusation could be thrown at all parties.

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For someone who claims not to be a Tory you don't half jump to their defence a lot

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Originally Posted by delmbox

For someone who claims not to be a Tory you don't half jump to their defence a lot

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All the time to be fair

At every opportunity

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Originally Posted by splott parker

So you don’t agree that Tory leaning people would be the ones most likely to support the stripping away of workers’ rights.

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They would be having orgasms

The modern tory party is built on this libertarian let the market rule bollocks

The tory voter has voted for this

So bollocks to them

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They would be having orgasms

The modern tory party is built on this libertarian let the market rule bollocks

The tory voter has voted for this

So bollocks to them

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Even Tory MP'S are in rage about this .

This is about a nasty company finding a loophole.

No right minded person thinks it is right whoever they vote for .

It's got bugger all to do with Brexit , Evil Boris , or Scum Tories it's about a company that was once decent ,been taking over by some ****witt that had some standing in the world once but has now fallen from grace, and no longer has any decency .

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

In January 2019, P&O removed all of its vessels from the UK register. They now operate under the flags of Cyprus, Finland, Malta, the Netherlands, the Bahamas and Bermuda.

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Aren't some of those countries in Europe ????

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Originally Posted by splott parker

So you don’t agree that Tory leaning people would be the ones most likely to support the stripping away of workers’ rights.

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No