Promoted to the Premier League - stick or twist..

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Originally Posted by dml1954

And in the meantime your favourite team were promoted again in 2020 and relegated again, in 2021, spending another £100m in the process. Thats three promotions and two relegations in the last five years. Lovely. Something we can all aspire to

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You're not thinking this through. If promotion after being relegated isn't something to aspire to, what is?

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Yes, do you remember the narrative that we would bounce back? In fact, the Fulham argument is a redundant one for a number of reasons. Firstly, we both got relegated. Secondly, Fulham were already relegated when we played them away. Warnock royally f*cked that up because he was a stubborn git. I can't be sure (stating the bleeding obvious), but if we'd had a better manager and £100M spend that season, we wouldn't be looking at 17th in The Championship this season as some dizzy height of achievement.

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The moral of the story is one needs to speculate to accumulate (as always) and having a competent and progressive manager is a massive plus.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

The moral of the story is one needs to speculate to accumulate (as always) and having a competent and progressive manager is a massive plus.

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:thumbup:I might write it up as a fable in the style of Aesop! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

You're not thinking this through. If promotion after being relegated isn't something to aspire to, what is?

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In Fulham's case it is obviously to aspire to be relegated again. They don't learn the lessons and throw silly money at it again, on the wrong players, which has so far failed.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

In Fulham's case it is obviously to aspire to be relegated again. They don't learn the lessons and throw silly money at it again, on the wrong players, which has so far failed.

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Hear hear! Fulham should follow City’s model and spend their money on players with genuine Premier League pedigrees like Josh Murphy, Greg Cunningham and Leandro Bacuna.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

In Fulham's case it is obviously to aspire to be relegated again. They don't learn the lessons and throw silly money at it again, on the wrong players, which has so far failed.

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But is hasn't failed has it? They're back in the PL and with a stronger squad than when they went up with us a few years ago.

I don't even know how there can possibly be an argument over this. Last season, they were auto-promoted (at a canter as someone else pointed out). What were we doing? Scrapping it out at the bottom of the same division. If you look at Fulham and us over the last few seasons, throw in Wolves and Villa for good measure, what have we learned or achieved? We've gone backwards at an alarming rate.

We can't keep blaming it on an horrendous piece of officiating against Chelsea. Warnock couldn't do anything about that. So the Fulham match imo is fair game for criticism. I honestly believe we've been horrendously mismanaged from a footballing perspective. Anyway, I'm boring myself now as we'll never agree on this so you're welcome to the last word. I really don't care enough.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

We haven't really been a 'well run club' since the 1950's. Too mean, not ambitious enough, not wealthy enough, too naive, too little football nouse - we've never got it quite right.

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Aint that the the truth .
Forever middle of the road ... wherever middle of the road is...

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

The moral of the story is one needs to speculate to accumulate (as always) and having a competent and progressive manager is a massive plus.

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You mean like Cooper ? Was it ever on the cards?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

You mean like Cooper ? Was it ever on the cards?

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There you are, I rest my case, and Forest haven't been afraid to spend money when needed. One reaps what one sows.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Fulham spent well over £100m four years ago, were useless and came straight back down finishing well below us in the table. Its not always money that counts.

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What is it then? I'm not disagreeing with you. But what do you think it is that counts?

I think they'll be fine and because of Neco, Johnson and Hennessey I actually hope they survive. Yuck.

I couldnt care less if they stay up or not but theyve signed Lingaard now. They really are having a right go at the PL. Havent heard of a lot of their signings.

Losing Spence is a blow didnt they have other loans as well did any of them stay.

I still say they are 1 of the 3 most likely to drop.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

I couldnt care less if they stay up or not but theyve signed Lingaard now. They really are having a right go at the PL. Havent heard of a lot of their signings.

Losing Spence is a blow didnt they have other loans as well did any of them stay.

I still say they are 1 of the 3 most likely to drop.

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any of the promoted teams nearly always stand a decent chance of being in the bottom 5, if not the 1st season then the 2nd

while the difference in the top of the Championship and the bottom of the EPL is very small, you know the way its going

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Originally Posted by dml1954

In Fulham's case it is obviously to aspire to be relegated again. They don't learn the lessons and throw silly money at it again, on the wrong players, which has so far failed.

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I wonder what Fulham’s accounts are like? Not like they have big crowds? Rich owner just sucking it up? Or just better mgt than VT ever managed when relegated

Given that the team finishing bottom will still get ~£100m from TV revenue and other sources, spending £60m on players isn't too shocking.
The trouble is those teams that do get relegated will have the wage bills carrying forward to the Championship.
Its ridiculous money.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Given that the team finishing bottom will still get ~£100m from TV revenue and other sources, spending £60m on players isn't too shocking.
The trouble is those teams that do get relegated will have the wage bills carrying forward to the Championship.
Its ridiculous money.

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The answer I guess to that is 2 year contracts for the new players ( with a option of another year if they are in the EPL at the time )

so they stand a decent chance of being promoted again if they get relegated after the 1st season