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Having premier league football as your goal is one thing. Having a clue how to deliver it is another.
If he doesn't want to sell he has to let someone else run the club, otherwise we're getting worse and worse and he's losing more and more money.
Yes. Exactly this.
It is one thing being crap but we've paid a huge price and been saddled with ever increasing debt to achieve it.
Just throwing bad money after good.
He is the biggest problem here because he continues to fail to recognise that there is a problem. His comments yesterday confirm this more than ever.
I've always been of the opinion that Tan does care, and that I'm 60/40 that he's been a decent owner (red aside). We could definitely have worse, but then could do a lot better too. If he was to now sell to an owner that could take the club forwards with a clear direction I think I would look back at his ownership relatively fondly.
The issue as we all know is that Tan doesn't know or understand football. And he's too strong a personality to take enough advice on board or give enough responsibility to football people who could take control of the club.
So it comes down to luck. And we know why he changed them to lucky red.
He thinks Mark Hudson can do a good job. I'm not sure what he bases that on other than hope and luck. Was the same with SM
He thinks he can get a 3rd shot at the Premier league. Maybe for 10 years. But not how. So its all luck
"and who knows we may be able to make it to the play-offs, and who knows may be able to win the play-offs and be in the Premier League. I believe it's possible." he thinks if the wind is blowing in the right direction, it'll happen.
Its not as doom and gloom as people on here make out. Amy team in the division is capable of that performance last night, people forget the type of league we're in. We will not go down (bookmark it) but I think playoffs are a bit far. Or maybe, he's planning on making signings in January. This owner has helped us get to the top flight twice already. I wouldn't completely write him off. I just can't see us making a push this season. Stranger things have happened though.
Heard some of it, it was depressing stuff.
The Wrexham owners in an interview I heard said they know nothing about football so brought in or have left that in the hands of those that do.
We have Tan, Choo and Dalman, barely a full time role at the club between them and even less football knowledge.
Tan repeats the same mistakes over and over, his money tied in the club will grow, he won't get it back. He's like a bitter old gambler that just can't leave it, only he talks about his losses more than the odd big win.
I'm happy we have a club, happy someone is putting the money into it but for someone so wealthy and successful in business he doesn't half continually spend it badly here.
We've had the two promotions, they are difficult to put a price on. They will be his legacy as on and off the pitch currently we look in a worse state than when he arrived.
What has he delivered?
The first time Malky was put in place by the consortium led by Ghee.
Tan fell out with him famously in the Premier League season where we were relegated.
We were then in a tail spin, a lot like the current one, and employed Warnock.
Everything points to Warnock being the total exception to the rule under Tan.
Most managers he appoints are pure stabs in the dark. I believe we just struck lucky under Warnock.
Those that laugh at that seem to fall short of explaining where the thought process to employ Warnock was on any of the other appointed managers. There is no rhyme or reason to our appointments.
Who outside of Cardiff City would put Mark Hudson in charge for any significant amount of time outside of our club? Not many, that's for sure.
Tan, as sole owner, has delivered on one promotion to the Premier League. He was part of a collective when we appointed Malky and Malky was backed at a time when not many were spending.
He has failed miserably during both Premier League seasons too. Let's not forget that.
So, in short he has gained a promotion as part of a consortium that appointed Malky and threw money at it and with Warnock. Whether people believe the Warnock appointment was a well thought out process and calculated or a pure gamble is up to them. For me the clue is in all the other appointments. We just struck it lucky.
He has spent £200 million.
We have two promotions to the Premier League and currently sit 18th in the Championship with arguably the weakest squad we have had since Tan has been here. It is certainly the lowest value squad I can remember us having in the last decade.
You can add the money we made by getting to the Premier League to the money we wasted as without that it would be an even grimmer picture.
Yet some still run with the great owner tag because he puts his own money in every month.
He bails the club out monthly, by how much differs from one source to the next, in large part down to the way he has run the club.
With how much he has spent we should be in a far better position than we are, both in the league position and our health as a club.
Look at the current situation.
Is it helping sell merchandise, tickets, sponsorship, well anything really? Income streams into the club. They've sat by failing to act since sacking Morison other than putting Hudson in charge with no communication to fans.
Does this way of running the club help minimise our losses or compound them?
At a very basic level does it drag fans out on a wet night to watch the club and put much needed funds into the club or do they think 'the owner doesn't give two monkeys, why should I show any effort if he doesn't?'.
We can do a whole lot better currently and could have done at almost every step of the way under the current owner.
I wonder just how much of Tan's statement was pure bloody mindedness and bravado.
He says he's received offers to buy the club. I firmly believe those offers, if they were true, would have been far below his own expectation and that's why he refused to sell.
Perhaps he sees himself in a situation where he realises he's not likely to get an offer anywhere near his liking and so therefore like a gambler he's biding his time to double up on a promotion shot.
Given that he's a successful businessman you would have thought reason would have put a halt to his musings by now.
I wonder whether generally speaking, Managers with a decent track record don't want to come here. Probably because of Tan. With Warnock, maybe he was the exception to the rule because he felt he'd be able to manage Tan (which he did, to be fair). The majority don't want the hassle of an owner like that. So we just take what we can get
[QUOTE=superfeathers;5362601]I wonder whether generally speaking, Managers with a decent track record don't want to come here. Probably because of Tan. With Warnock, maybe he was the exception to the rule because he felt he'd be able to manage Tan (which he did, to be fair). The majority don't want the hassle of an owner like that. So we just take what we can get[/QUOTE
I think that's entirely possible. We're probably viewed as a "difficult club" by many good managers.
Well one things for sure his message was two fingers up to the likes of Lewj.
I read that message as “You can make 50 Tan Out posts by 11am if you want, but I’ll go when I’m ready”.
Was it?
It reinforced how far out of their depth they are at running a club to those that actually read/listened to it.
If you are showing your full backing to man who thinks this squad is capable of promotion this season then it says more about you than me.
All this from the man who has bitched about the last two managers for all their time here too. Bit of a shock to you but Tan played a big part in picking them.
I'm almost certain that Tan is a factor, along with strength of squad, money available etc.
Would a trigger happy owner running things on a shoe string with no vision scare anybody, regardless of their line of work?
When put up against clubs in the Championship of our size with a decent owner and money available then I don't think we would come into any progressive manager's thought process really.
I reckon bluearmy86, his last comment was a giveaway "Or maybe, he's planning on making signings in January. This owner has helped us get to the top flight twice already. I wouldn't completely write him off. I just can't see us making a push this season. Stranger things have happened though."