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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Yes and has taken the Country backwards, someone else can try and sort out her mess.
She basically hijacker Scottish peoples negativeness towards Westminster for her own end not her people .
You would think you get your country on a very sound financial footing ,strong health and education areas ,low drugs and alcohol deaths , life expectancy , then you decide to perhaps seek independence , the truth be told she had no real policy other than lets leave .
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Yes and has taken the Country backwards, someone else can try and sort out her mess.
Drakeford on a free transfer.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
az city
Ian Blackford's father died yesterday.
That’s 5 words
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Seriously, have the Tories had a leader who was respected on the world stage since Thatcher?
Of course Labour had Tony Blair - well respected and led the rest of Europe in a dodgy war. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Corbyn had become PM. The Tories haven't done much better but I would take some of them over the two previously mentioned.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
That transgender bill will be the Scottish Brexit, they will argue about whether should they be in the same prison, same toilets, enter the same games, are murders and rapists different from the other ones, can they teach PE, and use the changing rooms for the next 50 years.
That's it?
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
lol at the Tories on here who don't like Sturgeon or Blackford. Quelle ****ing surprise.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
lol at the Tories on here who don't like Sturgeon or Blackford. Quelle ****ing surprise.
It's not just Tories who aren't fans.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
The big loss of votes from Labour to the SNP in Scotland had a massive effect on the ability of Labour to win a majority at Westminster
I hope that the departure of sturgeon weakens their position as in many ways they are a one trick pony
I don't think Scotland could last long on its own and those that think Wales could are utterly deluded .
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The big loss of votes from Labour to the SNP in Scotland had a massive effect on the ability of Labour to win a majority at Westminster
I hope that the departure of sturgeon weakens their position as in many ways they are a one trick pony
I don't think Scotland could last long on its own and those that think Wales could are utterly deluded .
Basically everything in this post is incorrect.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
az city
Basically everything in this post is incorrect.
Especially the bit about being a one trick pony in 'Many ways' not thought through really.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The big loss of votes from Labour to the SNP in Scotland had a massive effect on the ability of Labour to win a majority at Westminster
I hope that the departure of sturgeon weakens their position as in many ways they are a one trick pony
I don't think Scotland could last long on its own and those that think Wales could are utterly deluded .
The SNP need to carry on its independence position. If it doesn't, it'll die and another party will grow and take over.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
az city
Basically everything in this post is incorrect.
It's all correct
The decline of the labour party in Scotland took 80 seats away from the UK labour party and enabled the tory scum to govern since 2010
The Scots will soon begin to realise that Scottish independence is not going to work and join in with the anti tory vote to defeat them in Westminster
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
The SNP need to carry on its independence position. If it doesn't, it'll die and another party will grow and take over.
I don't care if it dies as long as there is an alternative to vote for
I don't care if Plaid dies either , I just don't want the Tories in power
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It's all correct
The decline of the labour party in Scotland took 80 seats away from the UK labour party and enabled the tory scum to govern since 2010
The Scots will soon begin to realise that Scottish independence is not going to work and join in with the anti tory vote to defeat them in Westminster
Are you for real? The Scottish support for independence keeps growing. I guarantee that if the SNP don't install a pro independence leader it'll fail and another party will emerge.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Especially the bit about being a one trick pony in 'Many ways' not thought through really.
It is , as are all nationalist parties
One trick ponies
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Are you for real? The Scottish support for independence keeps growing. I guarantee that if the SNP don't install a pro independence leader it'll fail and another party will emerge.
No it doesn't
It's reached its peak a long time ago its on the wane now which is why she's jumped ship
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't care if it dies as long as there is an alternative to vote for
I don't care if Plaid dies either , I just don't want the Tories in power
If you don't want the Tories in power, why are you happy to let England have the major say in general elections that affect Wales? England is generally a Tory country. Whatever England wants, Britain gets.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
No it doesn't
It's reached its peak a long time ago its on the wane now which is why she's jumped ship
Nonsense.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
Plaid are crap
Every election they and their groupies tell us the time is here !
But it isn't
I would only vote Plaid if it was to oust a tory
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Nonsense.
A few thousand people walking around with yes Cymru banners is not going to give you lot what you want
Like Europe the best way for Wales to fight its corner is within the United Kingdom
It's far from perfect but the nationalists running the show is a horrific portent
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If you don't want the Tories in power, why are you happy to let England have the major say in general elections that affect Wales? England is generally a Tory country. Whatever England wants, Britain gets.
No it isn't
More people vote for opposition parties than tory
It's the electoral system that's broken
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
Lets hope J K Rowling takes over ,as she played a wonderful effort to topple this supposed leader
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
If you don't want the Tories in power, why are you happy to let England have the major say in general elections that affect Wales? England is generally a Tory country. Whatever England wants, Britain gets.
To be fair were not all living in poverty , folks standards of living are way better than in previous decades , we may not like their decisions , you do however have to consider they have been in and out of power much longer than any opposition party ?
Politcial equation : Wales / Scotland = dislike the English = vote for anyone but Tory = poor standards of developed government management.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The big loss of votes from Labour to the SNP in Scotland had a massive effect on the ability of Labour to win a majority at Westminster
I hope that the departure of sturgeon weakens their position as in many ways they are a one trick pony
I don't think Scotland could last long on its own and those that think Wales could are utterly deluded .
why wouldn't Scotland "last long" ? what do you think would happen to it?
Other similar sized European countries do just fine, why do you think that Scotland couldn't?
Ireland was one of the poorest parts of the UK when it became independent, and no doubt people like you if it was happening today would be saying that they could never make it on their own - fast forward 100 years it is a richer country than the UK and soon to be absorbing a chunk of it.
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Re: Sturgeon has gone and left the mess for someone else to sort out.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
why wouldn't Scotland "last long" ? what do you think would happen to it?
Other similar sized European countries do just fine, why do you think that Scotland couldn't?
Ireland was one of the poorest parts of the UK when it became independent, and no doubt people like you if it was happening today would be saying that they could never make it on their own - fast forward 100 years it is a richer country than the UK and soon to be absorbing a chunk of it.
Sludgey is way off on this one. For Scotland read Norway of 50 years ago, for Wales read Ireland of 50 years ago. Slavish adoration of Labour is not a path forward for Wales.