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Re: Russia about to topple
Of course anything that helps topple Putin is welcome.
But Prigozhin is a thug.. admitted interfering in elections with warrants out for his arrest.
Getting rid of Putin is good, but Prigozhin is not a guarantee of a more democratic and free Russia.
Its interesting to see right wingers fighting about which right wing nut job they want to back and left wing nut jobs soiling themselves at the thought of backing Prigozhin to get rid of Putin.
Maybe its time to spring Alexei Navalny... Probably the only person capable of leading Russia into a new era.
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Rjk
so far I've seen the following this speculated:
a: Coup
b: it'll Ultimately fizzle out but leave Russia Inna weaker position
c: it's an exit strategy for Putin, blaming Ukraine failures on others
d: it's all a ruse to cover up troop movement for a counterpunch tricking the Ukrainians.
could legitimately be any of those at the moment
One thing is for sure, if Wagner is involved it won't be over until the fat lady sings!
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cyril evans awaydays
One thing is for sure, if Wagner is involved it won't be over until the fat lady sings!
😂😂😂
Very good
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Putin v head of a mercenary group. Not sure it's particularly a good thing for Russia
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Hard not to see all of this as very significant.
What's interesting now is the reaction of the Russian people if/when they head north through various towns towards Moscow.
Let's hope this doesn't turn into a Russian civil war now
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
Of course anything that helps topple Putin is welcome.
But Prigozhin is a thug.. admitted interfering in elections with warrants out for his arrest.
Getting rid of Putin is good, but Prigozhin is not a guarantee of a more democratic and free Russia.
Its interesting to see right wingers fighting about which right wing nut job they want to back and left wing nut jobs soiling themselves at the thought of backing Prigozhin to get rid of Putin.
Maybe its time to spring Alexei Navalny... Probably the only person capable of leading Russia into a new era.
The GRU wouldn't let the latter scenario happen whoever wins out in this internal conflict.
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Taunton Blue Genie
The GRU wouldn't let the latter scenario happen whoever wins out in this internal conflict.
Don't disagree
Its very sad
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I can't see Progozhin coming out of this alive and Putin will be considerably weakened.
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One possible downside is that if Putin feels sufficiently threatened is there a chance he could launch battlefield nukes (or even worse) in a last ditch survival bid or to go out in glory?
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Taunton Blue Genie
I can't see Progozhin coming out of this alive and Putin will be considerably weakened.
The odds would appear to be stacked against Progozhin. Unless he's had some kind of assurances from high up in the Russian military command.
It certainly seems a very bold move on his part.
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Also, strong rumours that Belarus' President Alexander Lukashenko has fled the country.
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Moreover the Ukraine army will be loving this, surely without Wagner backing the Russians up on the front line they might well crumble and flee back to Russia?
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I think the chances of this actually toppling Putin are pretty low, but it's got to be nothing but great news for Ukraine as Wagner was doing much of the heavy fighting there and also they are causing chaos in Russia's supply lines in the south west of the country. If it goes on for more than a day or two you'd have to think there's a chance the Ukranians can make it right to the coast and split the Russians in two... if that happens all bets are off as to what that means for Putin's war.
If things are serious enough and go long enough you'd imagine Russia even has to pull troops out of Ukraine to help back home, which could be curtains for them.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
He’s come a long way since X Factor
I prefer Topple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHZFYpQ6nc
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Taunton Blue Genie
Putin could have blamed his generals without such a rebellion - and may have very well done in due course.
True.
Looks as though some Russian Soldiers have been joining the Wagner ranks en route.
Lukashenko has left Belarus and reports that Kazakhstan has refused Putin support (and possibly denied his plane access to their airspace).
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goats
Moreover the Ukraine army will be loving this, surely without Wagner backing the Russians up on the front line they might well crumble and flee back to Russia?
Hopefully ! Seems like Wagner have done a lot of the heavy lifting in Ukraine. Wonder if Putin might start dragging his better troops out of Ukraine in an attempt to shore up and try and defend Russia against any more attempts by Wagner.
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Hilts
Exactly Matt Out!!!!🤣🤣🤣
:hehe: Not another campaign :hehe: we will have the flouncers flouncing and people messaging Mike ( #prayforMM ) It'll be like February 2 all over
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Wash DC Blue
Lukashenko has left Belarus and reports that Kazakhstan has refused Putin support (and possibly denied his plane access to their airspace).
He Fled very early, didnt stick around and take the chance
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blue matt
:hehe: Not another campaign :hehe: we will have the flouncers flouncing and people messaging Mike ( #prayforMM ) It'll be like February 2 all over
Did mike support you because he wanted to. Or because you'd threatened to surround his hq with your army?
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blue matt
He Fled very early, didnt stick around and take the chance
Fledimir Lukashenko.
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chrisp_1927
Did mike support you because he wanted to. Or because you'd threatened to surround his hq with your army?
I couldnt possible say :hehe:
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Someone on Twitter has pointed out that Wagner seem to have taken more of Russia in 12 hours, than they've managed to take of Ukraine in 16 months. Did make me chuckle
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Apparently Kadyrov and his Chechen Brigade has reached Rostov.
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Wash DC Blue
Apparently Kadyrov and his Chechen Brigade has reached Rostov.
Wonder how long it is until Kadyrov himself either becomes a problem to Putin or starts facing an insurrection in Chechnya.