Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
fugsyphil
Turnbull has had mixed reviews at best since coming to the city from the best team in Scotland. So how the hell would Eli King who's improving but hardly tearing up trees in the same league possibly be an improvement on Turnbull?
It's a fair point about Turnbull. The counter argument is that Turnbull hardly had a kick for Celtic in his last 2 years with them (he fell out of favour mid way through the 2021-22 season). You make it sound like he was a top rated player.
After watching Turnbull since Christmas I'm pretty confident any number of midfielders would be an improvement, young or old.
The assertion that King was 'hardly tearing up trees' is not really accurate. He had excellent reviews and won his clubs young player of the year award despite being with them only 6 months. But fair enough if you don't rate him, however I think he has something. He is a really good dap; a Declan Rice build and physique, has the best engine at the club, and is a pretty good set piece taker. The one criticism I have of him, is that he plays within himself. With his size and stamina he should look to impose himself more on the game and dominate. I think Morison said something similar after those couple of starts in Feb '22 against Liverpool and Coventry - that was that he had to take more chances, to be more positive with his passing rather than just take the safe option. Morison was a conundrum, he talked a lot of sense, but said it in a really, annoying and irritating way.
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
AdrianAlston
It's a fair point about Turnbull. The counter argument is that Turnbull hardly had a kick for Celtic in his last 2 years with them (he fell out of favour mid way through the 2021-22 season). You make it sound like he was a top rated player.
After watching Turnbull since Christmas I'm pretty confident any number of midfielders would be an improvement, young or old.
The assertion that King was 'hardly tearing up trees' is not really accurate. He had excellent reviews and won his clubs young player of the year award despite being with them only 6 months. But fair enough if you don't rate him, however I think he has something. He is a really good dap; a Declan Rice build and physique, has the best engine at the club, and is a pretty good set piece taker. The one criticism I have of him, is that he plays within himself. With his size and stamina he should look to impose himself more on the game and dominate. I think Morison said something similar after those couple of starts in Feb '22 against Liverpool and Coventry - that was that he had to take more chances, to be more positive with his passing rather than just take the safe option. Morison was a conundrum, he talked a lot of sense, but said it in a really, annoying and irritating way.
I dunno , hardly fell out of favour in 2021
I remember him playing for Celtic week in week out , which he was till he joined us .
These are the games he played in. I would surmise his contract was coming to an end and Celtic wanted to get a couple of quid for him?
1 8/5/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 4:2 CM 2 67'
2 8/13/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (9.) 1:3 CM 27' 45'
3 8/26/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (11.) 0:0 CM 60'
4 9/3/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (4.) 0:1 CM 66'
5 9/16/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Dundee FC Dundee FC (9.) 3:0 CM 1 60'
6 9/23/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (10.) 0:3 on the bench
7 9/30/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (5.) 1:2 CM 14'
8 10/7/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 3:1 Not in squad
9 10/22/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (4.) 1:4 on the bench
10 10/28/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (10.) 0:0 CM 33'
11 11/1/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (3.) 2:1 CM 1 74'
12 11/4/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (7.) 0:3 CM 1 62'
13 11/12/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (6.) 6:0 CM 1 37'
14 11/25/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (10.) 1:1 CM 1 23'
15 12/3/23 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (12.) 1:3 CM 58'
16 12/6/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (5.) 4:1 on the bench
17 12/10/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (6.) 2:1 on the bench
18 12/16/23 H Celtic FC (2.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (3.) 0:2 CM 45'
19 12/23/23 H Celtic FC (2.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (12.) 2:0 CM 10'
20 12/26/23 A Celtic FC (2.) Dundee FC Dundee FC (7.) 0:3 on the bench
21 12/30/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 2:1 CM 80' 19'
22 1/2/24 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (5.) 0:3 on the bench
23 1/27/24 H Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 1:0
Premiership 25 4 6 1 - 1 821'
UEFA Champions League Champions League 5 - - - - - 97'
Scottish Premiership Top Six Split Scottish Premiership Top Six Split 3 - - - - - 52'
Scottish FA Cup SFA Cup 3 1 - - - - 154'
Scottish League Cup League Cup 2 - 1 - - - 90'
UEFA Champions LeagueUEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
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Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Group F 9/6/22 H Celtic FC Real Madrid Real Madrid 0:3 CM 18'
Group F 9/14/22 A Celtic FC Shakhtar Donetsk Shakhtar D. 1:1 AM 22'
Group F 10/5/22 A Celtic FC RB Leipzig RB Leipzig 3:1 Ankle injury
Group F 10/11/22 H Celtic FC RB Leipzig RB Leipzig 0:2 CM 24'
Group F 10/25/22 H Celtic FC Shakhtar Donetsk Shakhtar D. 1:1 6'
Group F 11/2/22 A Celtic FC Real Madrid Real Madrid 5:1 CM 27'
Squad: 5, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 5, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 1
European QualifiersEUROPEAN QUALIFIERS
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Group A 3/25/23 H Scotland (8.) Cyprus Cyprus (47.) 3:0 Not in squad
Group A 3/28/23 H Scotland (4.) Spain Spain (21.) 2:0 Not in squad
Group A 6/17/23 A Scotland (5.) Norway Norway (43.) 1:2 Not in squad
Group A 6/20/23 H Scotland (4.) Georgia Georgia (26.) 2:0 Not in squad
Group A 9/8/23 A Scotland Cyprus Cyprus 0:3 Not in squad
Group A 10/12/23 A Scotland Spain Spain 2:0 Not in squad
Group A 11/16/23 A Scotland Georgia Georgia 2:2 Not in squad
Group A 11/19/23 H Scotland Norway Norway 3:3 Not in squad
Squad: 0, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 0, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
International FriendliesINTERNATIONAL FRIENDLIES
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Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
14 11/16/22 A Scotland Türkiye Türkiye 2:1 Not in squad
Squad: 0, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 0, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
UEFA Nations League BUEFA NATIONS LEAGUE B
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Group 1 6/8/22 H Scotland Armenia Armenia 2:0 on the bench
Group 1 6/11/22 A Scotland Republic of Ireland Ireland 3:0 on the bench
Group 1 6/14/22 A Scotland Armenia Armenia 1:4 CM 26'
Group 1 9/21/22 H Scotland Ukraine Ukraine 3:0 Not in squad
Group 1 9/24/22 H Scotland Republic of Ireland Ireland 2:1 Not in squad
Group 1 9/27/22 A Scotland Ukraine Ukraine 0:0 Not in squad
Squad: 3, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 1, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
Scottish PremiershipSCOTTISH PREMIERSHIP
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
1 7/31/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (12.) 2:0 AM 1 24'
2 8/6/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 1:3 CM 72'
3 8/14/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 0:5 CM 66'
4 8/21/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (4.) 2:0 CM 56'
5 8/28/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Dundee United FC Dundee United (12.) 0:9 CM 1 28'
6 9/3/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 4:0 AM 1 18'
8 9/18/22 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (5.) 2:0 CM 57'
9 10/1/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (7.) 2:1 25'
10 10/8/22 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (9.) 1:2 Ankle injury
11 10/15/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (4.) 6:1 Ankle injury
12 10/22/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (5.) 3:4 Ankle injury
13 10/30/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (9.) 0:3 CM 1 23'
14 11/5/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Dundee United FC Dundee United (12.) 4:2 CM 88'
15 11/9/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (9.) 1:2 CM 1 21'
16 11/12/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (10.) 2:1 AM 1 45' 90'
17 12/17/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (4.) 0:1 CM 18'
7 12/21/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (4.) 2:1 26'
18 12/24/22 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (5.) 4:1 AM 90 + 6' 11'
19 12/28/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (8.) 0:4 Not in squad
20 1/2/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 2:2 Not in squad
21 1/7/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 2:0 7'
22 1/18/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (7.) 4:0 1 20'
23 1/29/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Dundee United FC Dundee United (10.) 0:2 CM 23'
24 2/1/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (5.) 3:0 15'
25 2/5/23 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (8.) 1:4 CM 1 11'
26 2/18/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (7.) 4:0 Not in squad
28 3/5/23 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (6.) 1:5 on the bench
27 3/8/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (3.) 3:1 on the bench
29 3/18/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (5.) 3:1 CM 2 77'
30 4/2/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 0:2 15'
31 4/8/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 3:2 CM 5'
32 4/16/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 1:4 22'
33 4/22/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (8.) 1:1 3'
Squad: 27, Starting eleven: 6, Substituted in: 19, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 3
Scottish Premiership Top Six SplitSCOTTISH PREMIERSHIP TOP SIX SPLIT
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Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
1 5/7/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (4.) 0:2 on the bench
2 5/13/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 3:0 16'
3 5/20/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (6.) 2:2 on the bench
4 5/24/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (5.) 4:2 25'
5 5/27/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (3.) 5:0 11'
Squad: 5, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 3, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
Scottish FA CupSCOTTISH FA CUP
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Fourth Round 1/21/23 H Celtic FC Greenock Morton FC Morton 5:0 CM 1 77'
Round of 16 2/11/23 H Celtic FC St. Mirren FC St. Mirren 5:1 CM 63'
Quarter-Finals 3/11/23 A Celtic FC Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. 0:3 on the bench
Semi-Finals 4/30/23 A Celtic FC Rangers FC Rangers 0:1 on the bench
Final 6/3/23 H Celtic FC Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC Inverness CT 3:1 14'
Squad: 5, Starting eleven: 2, Substituted in: 1, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
Scottish League CupSCOTTISH LEAGUE CUP
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Round of 16 8/31/22 A Celtic FC Ross County FC Ross County 1:4 AM 1 90'
Quarter-Finals 10/18/22 A Celtic FC Motherwell FC Motherwell FC 0:4 Ankle injury
Semi-Finals 1/14/23 H Celtic FC Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC 2:0 1'
Final 2/26/23 A Celtic FC Rangers FC Rangers 1:2 on the bench
Squad: 3, Starting eleven: 1, Substituted in: 1, On the bench: 1, Suspended: 0, Injured: 1
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
I'd love to know what you're basing this on
I love you
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
AdrianAlston
Difficult to disagree with that. Although, whilst I think he is a big talent he is the only box to box central midfielder at the Club!!!
Well, there is that!
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
I dunno , hardly fell out of favour in 2021
I remember him playing for Celtic week in week out , which he was till he joined us .
These are the games he played in. I would surmise his contract was coming to an end and Celtic wanted to get a couple of quid for him?
Turnbull started only 16 league games between the 19th December 2021 and the time he joined us in Jan 24.
https://www.soccerbase.com/players/p...layer_id=86689
I accept that he was in the match day squad a lot and made many sub appearances. But in the 18 months prior and including Dec '21 he had been 1st choice.
I was very excited when we signed him as I, like you, had believed he was still a major player for Celtic. However after after looking at the stats, speaking to my golfing buddy who is a Celtic fan (yes, I know how clichéd that sounds) and watching him, that excitement soon subsided. He may still come good, though.
I wonder if he had a bad injury in Dec '21? His fall from grace appears very sudden and he doesn't even make sub appearances in the very early part of 2022.
Finally sorry for deleting the stat section of your post but it would have made the thread unreadable
Re: Eli King wins young player
We have a few promising players whove come through our system the Colwills , Ashford , Davies , King , Conte.
Noone really knows if they can kick on and be 1st team regulars. My worry with Bulut is they wont even get a decent opportunity.
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
AdrianAlston
It's a fair point about Turnbull. The counter argument is that Turnbull hardly had a kick for Celtic in his last 2 years with them (he fell out of favour mid way through the 2021-22 season). You make it sound like he was a top rated player.
After watching Turnbull since Christmas I'm pretty confident any number of midfielders would be an improvement, young or old.
The assertion that King was 'hardly tearing up trees' is not really accurate. He had excellent reviews and won his clubs young player of the year award despite being with them only 6 months. But fair enough if you don't rate him, however I think he has something. He is a really good dap; a Declan Rice build and physique, has the best engine at the club, and is a pretty good set piece taker. The one criticism I have of him, is that he plays within himself. With his size and stamina he should look to impose himself more on the game and dominate. I think Morison said something similar after those couple of starts in Feb '22 against Liverpool and Coventry - that was that he had to take more chances, to be more positive with his passing rather than just take the safe option. Morison was a conundrum, he talked a lot of sense, but said it in a really, annoying and irritating way.
You've clearly followed King in way more detail than I have so I'll give your opinion higher value than my own for this debate and hope you are proven correct despite suspecting the opposite!
The defender who had a season at Livingston arrived back here with huge expectations and was soon shown to be awful (ciaron brown I think). Hopefully Eli will have made some decent strides in his game to match your enthusiasm for his progress!! I'll happily accept being wrong from my first impressions
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Raith Rovers are playing Ross County tonight in the Scottish playoff final first leg, it will be a chance to see how he has developed
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Its on BBC Scotland if anyones interested
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Cardiff Ultra
Its on BBC Scotland if anyones interested
That's radio, streaming on Sky Football at 8 pm, he is in the starting lineup squad number 18
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1-0 Ross. King's shot handled in the box for a penalty.
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Originally Posted by
Undercoverinwurzelland
1-0 Ross. King's shot handled in the box for a penalty.
He took a shot? That's enough for me!
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
He took a shot? That's enough for me!
Ended 1-2 he was unlucky not to score a good save by the keeper
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I thought he looked good. Again, he needs to impose himself on the game more. He certainly didn't look like an inexperienced kid and physically he's very good.
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Tuerto
He took a shot? That's enough for me!
We'll soon coach him out of that nonsense
Re: Eli King wins young player
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City123
We'll soon coach him out of that nonsense
:hehe:
Re: Eli King wins young player
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Originally Posted by
fugsyphil
The defender who had a season at Livingston arrived back here with huge expectations and was soon shown to be awful (ciaron brown I think).
Phil, this is a good point. Brown's biggest draw back was his lack of athleticism. You can get away with at lower levels but not at Premiership and to a lesser extent Championship level.
Athleticism, pace, size and locomotion are now paramount. You've got to have the ability of a Bernado Silva to make it without. That's why the Colwill's, King and Isaak Davies could be so important to us over the next couple of seasons. I'll also mention Nyakhuwa. Just look at a Premier team coming out of the tunnel; they're huge.
It's also why we so often looked impotent last season with Siopis and Wintle (Ralls is a class above these two, and gives us an 'edge' and set piece) in centre midfield, flanked by Collins and Ng. It's ironic that the attackers get the blame but the speed of action of the midfield (including the full backs, because they are midfielders when we have the ball) is what creates the space and opportunity for the front 3/4.
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Not being argumentative but that's not what I remember Brown's biggest draw back was. His biggest draw back as I remember it was he couldn't kick the ball 3 yards in the direction of somebody wearing the same colour shirt as him.
Certainly not Ferdinand or Van Dijk in terms of athleticism and pace, but relatively big and decent in the air, probably a bog standard borderline Championship/League 1 center back athletically. Or am I thinking of somebody else?
Re: Eli King wins young player
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ninian opinian
Well worth a duplicated post ..
Well done Eli .
Be our hero and come back home. .
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Originally Posted by
LA Bluebird
His biggest draw back as I remember it was he couldn't kick the ball 3 yards in the direction of somebody wearing the same colour shirt as him.
I don't remember that but nor would I contradict it. But he played under Mad Mick and I don't remember during that tenure any central defenders trying to pass.
We currently have a few midfielders who suffer from the fault to which you refer. Although, on times last season it appeared that they had been instructed not to pass the ball in a forward direction.
Ron Greenwood's mantra was that the ball should always go forward (pass and move) and during his training sessions backward or sideways passes were banned.
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Originally Posted by
AdrianAlston
I don't remember that but nor would I contradict it. But he played under Mad Mick and I don't remember during that tenure any central defenders trying to pass.
We currently have a few midfielders who suffer from the fault to which you refer. Although, on times last season it appeared that they had been instructed not to pass the ball in a forward direction.
Ron Greenwood's mantra was that the ball should always go forward (pass and move) and during his training sessions backward or sideways passes were banned.
didn't Mick play him as a left wing back at one point
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Rjk
didn't Mick play him as a left wing back at one point
Yes, 5 centre backs in a back 5.
Lad gave it a go but looked as confused as the rest of us.
