Paula Vennell Post Office Enquiry

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Originally Posted by light up the darkness

IMO all of them deserve to be hanged.not just these two but all the other senior managers who enjoyed their well paid comfortable jobs.

If I recall correctly Adam Crozier previously Chief exec of the FA become Chief Exec of the Royal Mail Group,

So I Googled and in fact it was he who oversaw a controversial modernisation and redundancy programme and it was under Crozier's leadership that much of the Horizon computing systems errors and prosecution of innocent sub-post masters occurred.

When shall we see him court to hear about his role ?

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Royal Mail is completely separate company to the Post Office. Horizon is nothing to do with Royal Mail or Adam Crozier

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Originally Posted by RichardM

Royal Mail is completely separate company to the Post Office. Horizon is nothing to do with Royal Mail or Adam Crozier

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They only separated in 2012 so he is very much a part of this

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

They only separated in 2012 so he is very much a part of this

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My apologies, you are right, and to answer @light up the darkness it looks like he has already appeared before the enquiry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68795663

Is she back tomorrow?

That was a car crash

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Originally Posted by RichardM

Royal Mail is completely separate company to the Post Office. Horizon is nothing to do with Royal Mail or Adam Crozier

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Just as well that he wasn't hanged.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Is she back tomorrow?

That was a car crash

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Yes. She's due to give evidence over three days

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

Yes. She's due to give evidence over three days

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She's drowning but doesn't seem to be aware of it

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Just as well that he wasn't hanged.

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Easy for you to say. I have to live with it. :-)

This crying is pathetic

She thinks she's quick on her feet

It's like shooting fish in a barrel for the enquiry brief

Missed today’s but will watch tomorrow.

Either she's lying and did know what was going, or she was so incompetent and didn't know what she should have known, and those below her possibly kept it from her.

Selective memory.
Or should that be selective amnesia.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Either she's lying and did know what was going, or she was so incompetent and didn't know what she should have known, and those below her possibly kept it from her.

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I'd say you're correct but I'd put it slightly differently - she's either culpable and a knowing liar or she's so stupid she could not see, from the massive amount of evidence she was presented with over multiple years, there was a systematic issue with the prosecutions.

She reminds me of what is so wrong with Britain. She's clearly a member of the establishment (privately educated, Anglican priest, etc) who was appointed to a job that was beyond her capabilities. I met so many "Paulas" during my working life in Britain - the incapable talentless middle-class establishment. I'm so glad I don't meet people like her any more being, as I am, a fully paid up American now. Before anyone starts - I fully acknowledge the myriad issues we have here.

Another thing that strikes me about her is she's supposedly religious yet at no point does her faith seem to compel her to stop all the fibbing and just 'fess up to either her hubristic idiocy and mendacity or complete uncaring foolishness.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Either she's lying and did know what was going, or she was so incompetent and didn't know what she should have known, and those below her possibly kept it from her.

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Exactly, if she was genuinely unaware of all of the things that were going on, she was probably being paid a fortune to do a job that was well beyond her capabilities.

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Originally Posted by az city

I'd say you're correct but I'd put it slightly differently - she's either culpable and a knowing liar or she's so stupid she could not see, from the massive amount of evidence she was presented with over multiple years, there was a systematic issue with the prosecutions.

She reminds me of what is so wrong with Britain. She's clearly a member of the establishment (privately educated, Anglican priest, etc) who was appointed to a job that was beyond her capabilities. I met so many "Paulas" during my working life in Britain - the incapable talentless middle-class establishment. I'm so glad I don't meet people like her any more being, as I am, a fully paid up American now. Before anyone starts - I fully acknowledge the myriad issues we have here.

Another thing that strikes me about her is she's supposedly religious yet at no point does her faith seem to compel her to stop all the fibbing and just 'fess up to either her hubristic idiocy and mendacity or complete uncaring foolishness.

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Sorry, I’ve more or less said exactly the same as you in my first post. For some reason, this reminds me of the woman Johnson employed to be in charge of the “world beating”, and very expensive, Government backed test and trace programme (think her name was Dodi or something like that - just checked it was Dido Harding) whose only qualification to get her the job was that she was married to a Tory MP.

I'm surprised a Chief Executive gets involved in the degree of detail highlighted by the Inquiry. Normally a Chief Executive of a large Corporation would leave it to one of the specialist Directors to deal with the nitty gritty leaving it to the CEO to sign off what was agreed. Instead Vennells got involved in the day to day stuff and implicated herself totally as a result. Dare I say in some large organisations staff below that level often don't bother the CEO with the detail and keep things away from the CEO but Vennells to her detriment not only involved herself to a high degree but also can't avoid the fact that as CEO she is ultimately responsible for everything that has happened

Given the fact that she has faced some very detailed questioning I don't think she has done that badly but the very fact she was so involved in the detail of everything that went on her level of culpability is such that anyone would struggle to put on a better performance.

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Originally Posted by az city

I'd say you're correct but I'd put it slightly differently - she's either culpable and a knowing liar or she's so stupid she could not see, from the massive amount of evidence she was presented with over multiple years, there was a systematic issue with the prosecutions.

She reminds me of what is so wrong with Britain. She's clearly a member of the establishment (privately educated, Anglican priest, etc) who was appointed to a job that was beyond her capabilities. I met so many "Paulas" during my working life in Britain - the incapable talentless middle-class establishment. I'm so glad I don't meet people like her any more being, as I am, a fully paid up American now. Before anyone starts - I fully acknowledge the myriad issues we have here.

Another thing that strikes me about her is she's supposedly religious yet at no point does her faith seem to compel her to stop all the fibbing and just 'fess up to either her hubristic idiocy and mendacity or complete uncaring foolishness.

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She turned a blind eye and let the bullies deal with the postmasters, and is now sad it's all backfired.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I'm surprised a Chief Executive gets involved in the degree of detail highlighted by the Inquiry. Normally a Chief Executive of a large Corporation would leave it to one of the specialist Directors to deal with the nitty gritty leaving it to the CEO to sign off what was agreed. Instead Vennells got involved in the day to day stuff and implicated herself totally as a result. Dare I say in some large organisations staff below that level often don't bother the CEO with the detail and keep things away from the CEO but Vennells to her detriment not only involved herself to a high degree but also can't avoid the fact that as CEO she is ultimately responsible for everything that has happened

Given the fact that she has faced some very detailed questioning I don't think she has done that badly but the very fact she was so involved in the detail of everything that went on her level of culpability is such that anyone would struggle to put on a better performance.

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So, what does your typical CEO do exactly to merit these vast sums so many of them earn?

She's a priest too ?

Good god

This guys a bit more aggressive lol

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So, what does your typical CEO do exactly to merit these vast sums so many of them earn?

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Usually bankrupt the company and make you redundant.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

She's a priest too ?

Good god

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Probably why she keeps breaking down in tears the prospect of spending a lot of time in purgatory.

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

Probably why she keeps breaking down in tears the prospect of spending a lot of time in purgatory.

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She's really getting on my tits now

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

She's really getting on my tits now

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Bet yours are bigger than hers ?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Exactly, if she was genuinely unaware of all of the things that were going on, she was probably being paid a fortune to do a job that was well beyond her capabilities.

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Paula Vennells, Post Office chief executive 2010-2019

Ms Vennells earned £5.1m during her time at the helm of the Post Office, peaking at £718,300 in 2018. That year her base salary was £253,800 and she earned £390,800 in bonuses (plus pensions and other benefits).

7 Apr 2024

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-...her%20benefits).