Why does Islam fit in so comfortably with modern left wing views?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

:hehe: Think they are maybe :hehe:

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You're thinking is correct 👍

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Incorrect, as real Christians already know they will always get opposition from religious individuals and agnostics, so why would they complain?

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There is no such thing as a real Christian in the same way there is no such thing as a real Muslim

It's all a bag of nonsense

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

There is no such thing as a real Christian in the same way there is no such thing as a real Muslim

It's all a bag of nonsense

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Do you really have to come on here and say that for the 1000th time in 20 years? This was an attempt to have a serious debate on a good question.
I think the OP is dead right. Maybe it’s because the Left know full well that the Right are very anti Muslim and open to abuse from the Brexit/Reform idiots, and try to balance it up but their beliefs are appalling.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Well, it's been proven that people with higher IQs are more likely to be left wing.

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Is it really that simple Eric?

Surely it is far more nuanced than that?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Do you really have to come on here and say that for the 1000th time in 20 years? This was an attempt to have a serious debate on a good question.
I think the OP is dead right. Maybe it’s because the Left know full well that the Right are very anti Muslim and open to abuse from the Brexit/Reform idiots, and try to balance it up but their beliefs are appalling.

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You need to direct your venom at the daft religious theory pop brought up by the person I responded to in regard to what a true Christian etc is

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Is it really that simple Eric?

Surely it is far more nuanced than that?

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It really is that simple I'm afraid and education will be the undoing of the Right Wing.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

It really is that simple I'm afraid and education will be the undoing of the Right Wing.

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No doubt you will decry my intelligence or lack of knowledge as you have done in the past.

But it really is not that simple.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

No doubt you will decry my intelligence or lack of knowledge as you have done in the past.

But it really is not that simple.

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I'm not decrying anything, I'm just stating a statistical fact and of course the relevant data refers to a large sample size and not just individual cases.Naturally I understand its an uncomfortable fact for some people to acknowledge and it's only human nature to try to dismiss it.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Interesting that we never hear charges of Christophobia being brought.

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IÂ’m not sure if you read the piece in The New Yorker but itÂ’s quite damning towards the way Israel is treating non Jewish groups. There has been plenty of intolerance towards Christians. The extremes of fundamentalism on all sides is a major problem. Intolerance and segregation is the sure way to lead to aggression. Everyone should be advocating peace and diplomacy whatever belief system someone chooses to follow.

My gay and queer friends donÂ’t support Islamic doctrine targeting sexuality. They do however understand and empathise with aggressive and isolating tactics towards an oppressed people. This is where the support lies. ItÂ’s not a question of ignoring the intolerance and discriminatory doctrines of Islam. Christian anti gay stances are also a huge problem and exist in many areas of the US.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Interesting that we never hear charges of Christophobia being brought.

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Christianity has been associated with the UK State for centuries and the Head of State is also Head of the Church of England (both roles being honoured in the National Anthem). Most of us were indoctrinated at school every day with that brand of Abrahamism and most people were baptised, christened and had religious funerals.
Clergymen have sat n the House of Lords courtesy of their Christianity and it was the religious default in this country.
The cultural backcloth is totally different to Islam.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Christianity has been associated with the UK State for centuries and the Head of State is also Head of the Church of England (both roles being honoured in the National Anthem). Most of us were indoctrinated at school every day with that brand of Abrahamism and most people were baptised, christened and had religious funerals.
Clergymen have sat n the House of Lords courtesy of their Christianity and it was the religious default in this country.
The cultural backcloth is totally different to Islam.

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Good post TBG.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Interesting that we never hear charges of Christophobia being brought.

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Gofer, I think the Paramount Rule should always be adhered to and borne in mind at all times.

It states: All religions should be acknowledged and allowed to be freely expressed and adhered to within the constraints of humanistic sentiments. Everyone should be free to believe whatever they wish so far as it doesn't impact everyone else's desire to reject the same.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I'm not decrying anything, I'm just stating a statistical fact and of course the relevant data refers to a large sample size and not just individual cases.Naturally I understand its an uncomfortable fact for some people to acknowledge and it's only human nature to try to dismiss it.

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Which relevant data and sample size do you refer to?

And where would you place those with centrist views in any comparison?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Which relevant data and sample size do you refer to?

And where would you place those with centrist views in any comparison?

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Good question but I can't be arsed to trawl through the web. If it's causing you a lack of sleep don't believe it. It's as simple as that. Greedy right wingers have adopted that strategy for centuries. Centralists are just people who are too arthritic to get off the damned fence!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Good question but I can't be arsed to trawl through the web. If it's causing you a lack of sleep don't believe it. It's as simple as that. Greedy right wingers have adopted that strategy for centuries. Centralists are just people who are too arthritic to get off the damned fence!

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It is not causing me any lack of sleep thank you(strange comment?)

I was not expecting you to trawl through the net but you seemed to have knowledge of a survey or survey' which backed up your opinion.

Obviously not,though I am not saying that such survey's do not exist although the ones I have seen are not so cut and dried as you suggest.

Your last comment is a bit too dismissive of Centralists who are often proved right

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

It is not causing me any lack of sleep thank you(strange comment?)

I was not expecting you to trawl through the net but you seemed to have knowledge of a survey or survey' which backed up your opinion.

Obviously not,though I am not saying that such survey's do not exist although the ones I have seen are not so cut and dried as you suggest.

Your last comment is a bit too dismissive of Centralists who are often proved right

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Why was it strange? You seem to have your knickers in a twist!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Why was it strange? You seem to have your knickers in a twist!

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Any comment on the rest of my post?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Any comment on the rest of my post?

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Not much more than you might find it interesting to carry out some research on these surveys and analyses yourself; they really are very revealing and interesting. But beyond that it's no big deal, anyone can believe what they want so I wouldn't fret about it.

With regard to "Centralists" as you put it I don't really understand who or what they are, if such people do indeed exist. Are they maybe Right Wing on some issues and Left Wing on others? Do they have no sense of justice or proportion? Are they merely a tad altruistic but quite often self-centered? Are they usually conformists but occasionally feel rebellious against the Establishment?

I could go on and on but I confess I'm at a loss to
make an opinion on it. Nevertheless it's a fascinating subject.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Not much more than you might find it interesting to carry out some research on these surveys and analyses yourself; they really are very revealing and interesting. But beyond that it's no big deal, anyone can believe what they want so I wouldn't fret about it.

With regard to "Centralists" as you put it I don't really understand who or what they are, if such people do indeed exist. Are they maybe Right Wing on some issues and Left Wing on others? Do they have no sense of justice or proportion? Are they merely a tad altruistic but quite often self-centered? Are they usually conformists but occasionally feel rebellious against the Establishment?

I could go on and on but I confess I'm at a loss to
make an opinion on it. Nevertheless it's a fascinating subject.

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Centerists?

Basically Tories but in public put up with so much grief 😆 that they pretend they are middle of the road

But that's nonsense

Generally middle ground types vote liberal or hold their nose and vote Labour

Tories never tend to stop voting Tory and the people who say they vote for whatever party is best for the country are very rare or lying

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Centerists?

Basically Tories but in public put up with so much grief 😆 that they pretend they are middle of the road

But that's nonsense

Generally middle ground types vote liberal or hold their nose and vote Labour

Tories never tend to stop voting Tory and the people who say they vote for whatever party is best for the country are very rare or lying

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Do you really believe some of the garbage you spout at times Sludge?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Not much more than you might find it interesting to carry out some research on these surveys and analyses yourself; they really are very revealing and interesting. But beyond that it's no big deal, anyone can believe what they want so I wouldn't fret about it.

With regard to "Centralists" as you put it I don't really understand who or what they are, if such people do indeed exist. Are they maybe Right Wing on some issues and Left Wing on others? Do they have no sense of justice or proportion? Are they merely a tad altruistic but quite often self-centered? Are they usually conformists but occasionally feel rebellious against the Establishment?

I could go on and on but I confess I'm at a loss to
make an opinion on it. Nevertheless it's a fascinating subject.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Do you really believe some of the garbage you spout at times Sludge?

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I truly believe that people who say they are middle of the road and say they sometimes vote Tory are fibbing and are overwhelmingly tory voters

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I truly believe that people who say they are middle of the road and say they sometimes vote Tory are fibbing and are overwhelmingly tory voters

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It's somewhat of a fair point because don't we have a ready made party just for "Centrists "called the Lib Dems? In which case one would probably refer to oneself as a Lib Dem rather than a "Centrist" surely?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

It's somewhat of a fair point because don't we have a ready made party just for "Centrists "called the Lib Dems? In which case one would probably refer to oneself as a Lib Dem rather than a "Centrist" surely?

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Absolutely

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I truly believe that people who say they are middle of the road and say they sometimes vote Tory are fibbing and are overwhelmingly tory voters

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I can well believe that much as a gay guy wouldn't come out to a friend who constantly hates on gay people, that someone who votes Tory probably wouldn't say it to you, Sludge.