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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I gave up out of boredom after five minutes, but I couldn't help thinking about the likes of Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson and Donald Trump exploiting people's fears about immigration, but that can't be right can it because the critical thinkers tend to back them don't they.
Collective minds are extremely malleable, and you saw how easily Rachael Maddow & Adam Schiff led the gullible up the garden path for 7 years with their Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense. We should be learning from these sort of things, but people effortlessly move onto the next narrative, while pretending the last one didn't happen.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
The simple answer is that they needed to to sustain the economy. Another more complex tinfoil hat answer is that they thought the public were idiots and the overall net migration number getting massive would help them justify more extreme policies to 'fix' migration.
The overwhelming majority apply through legal channels and have family/study connections in the UK, etc.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Collective minds are extremely malleable, and you saw how easily Rachael Maddow & Adam Schiff led the gullible up the garden path for 7 years with their Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense. We should be learning from these sort of things, but people effortlessly move onto the next narrative, while pretending the last one didn't happen.
Well,I’d prefer to stick to my example of malleable minds being led up the garden path by the likes of Farage hinting at something else at work during the Southport instigated rioting, Robinson’s “patriots” rabble rousing at the slightest excuse and stats showing Trump was talking bollox about the millions of murderous illegal immigrants pouring into America in the past four years.
https://news.northwestern.edu/storie...n-the-us-born/
As for “Russia, Russia nonsense”, any comment on this story?
https://www.politico.eu/article/roma...lin-georgescu/
Ever thought it was your lot who are the ones being manipulated?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Well,I’d prefer to stick to my example of malleable minds being led up the garden path by the likes of Farage hinting at something else at work during the Southport instigated rioting, Robinson’s “patriots” rabble rousing at the slightest excuse and stats showing Trump was talking bollox about the millions of murderous illegal immigrants pouring into America in the past four years.
https://news.northwestern.edu/storie...n-the-us-born/
As for “Russia, Russia nonsense”, any comment on this story?
https://www.politico.eu/article/roma...lin-georgescu/
Ever thought it was your lot who are the ones being manipulated?
My lot? I don't have any lot! I saw the light after the weapons of mass distraction fiasco, and if it is any consolation they are all at it. US operatives have been on the ground in Romania for quite a while.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
My lot? I don't have any lot! I saw the light after the weapons of mass distraction fiasco, and if it is any consolation they are all at it. US operatives have been on the ground in Romania for quite a while.
And Syria Attachment 6335
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
My lot? I don't have any lot! I saw the light after the weapons of mass distraction fiasco, and if it is any consolation they are all at it. US operatives have been on the ground in Romania for quite a while.
Of course you’ve got a lot, you yourself have spoken of the critical thinkers and gifted individuals who see things for what they really are and I can’t believe youof all people would ever admit to being wrong by saying you were mistaken about what you’ve posted on here over the past decade or so. Therefore, you still stick to the tick list of subjects you all swear by, as witnessed by your pro Russia thinking here. You’re so convinced you’re the clever ones who see through all of the lies, but, invariably, you all end up parroting the same old lines on the same old subjects day after day and week after week - sounds suspiciously like brain washing to me.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Of course you’ve got a lot, you yourself have spoken of the critical thinkers and gifted individuals who see things for what they really are and I can’t believe youof all people would ever admit to being wrong by saying you were mistaken about what you’ve posted on here over the past decade or so. Therefore, you still stick to the tick list of subjects you all swear by, as witnessed by your pro Russia thinking here. You’re so convinced you’re the clever ones who see through all of the lies, but, invariably, you all end up parroting the same old lines on the same old subjects day after day and week after week - sounds suspiciously like brain washing to me.
You’re another bitter nobody. STFU
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
Why do you feel the need to try and belittle posters on here. Bob is one of the longest serving and most respected posters on here but still he can STFU. you need to wind your neck in cos you look stupid with that attitude.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Packerman
Why do you feel the need to try and belittle posters on here. Bob is one of the longest serving and most respected posters on here but still he can STFU. you need to wind your neck in cos you look stupid with that attitude.
He’s a snide twat , little comments here and there ,relentlessly trying to wind up “critically thinking” people
About time he STFU
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I can’t believe youof all people would ever admit to being wrong by saying you were mistaken about what you’ve posted on here.
I literally admitted I was wrong about Blair in the above post.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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TWGL1
You’re another bitter nobody. STFU
:xmashehe:
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
He’s a snide twat , little comments here and there ,relentlessly trying to wind up “critically thinking” people
About time he STFU
:xmashehe:
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I literally admitted I was wrong about Blair in the above post.
That was nearly twenty years ago.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
That was nearly twenty years ago.
An example of me admitting I was wrong, it was more than twenty years ago wasn’t it.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
That was nearly twenty years ago.
It was a pinitol moment, and immediately after that I cancelled my Guardian subscription. I then began triangulating data from multiple sources before applying advanced logic.
The debunking of the Russia collusion hoax was no accident :xmashehe:
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
It was a pinitol moment, and immediately after that I cancelled my Guardian subscription. I then began triangulating data from multiple sources before applying advanced logic.
The debunking of the Russia collusion hoax was no accident :xmashehe:
*Pivotal
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
I don't mind Lowe and Tice too much, make some interesting points every now and then. It's the other 3 morons they've got in the commons that worry me.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
it appears that reform are on the up in Wales at the moment.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...shell-30319278
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Heathblue
yeah sadly not surprising, given the demographics they tend to do well with.
I don't think they have anything to offer Wales though.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Rjk
yeah sadly not surprising, given the demographics they tend to do well with.
I don't think they have anything to offer Wales though.
I do think that when the voter is in the booth that the pen will go red especially in Wales, agree they offer very little. One of the big Tory big donors went over to them today and if Musk does start funneling money over to them I can see them being a serious contenders at the next election.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
yeah sadly not surprising, given the demographics they tend to do well with.
I don't think they have anything to offer Wales though.
They held their annual conference in Merthyr didn’t they - think Farage and co are targeting the valleys as a region where they can prosper outside of England. I hear more anti Labour talk than ever up here these days.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
They held their annual conference in Merthyr didn’t they - think Farage and co are targeting the valleys as a region where they can prosper outside of England. I hear more anti Labour talk than ever up here these days.
Farage and Reform launched their manifesto for the last election from the old Gurnos club in Merthyr Bob.
In truth it wasn't well attended but someone has pointed out correctly the demographics may suit the Reform party.
I think local journalists quizzed Farage on the chosen location and venue and the large amounts of European funding it had once received via the EU and the benefits of Brexit to the area, where he promptly responded that it was the Tories fault.
Farage is just a paid agitator soon to be puppet isn't he?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Farage and Reform launched their manifesto for the last election from the old Gurnos club in Merthyr Bob.
In truth it wasn't well attended but someone has pointed out correctly the demographics may suit the Reform party.
I think local journalists quizzed Farage on the chosen location and venue and the large amounts of European funding it had once received via the EU and the benefits of Brexit to the area, where he promptly responded that it was the Tories fault.
Farage is just a paid agitator soon to be puppet isn't he?
Yes, it was the manifesto launch wasn't it, my mistake. Think you've got Farage right there. In the build up to the American election, I heard Democrats dismissing Trump's chances by saying he only had the votes of 40 to 45 per cent - that seemed a very good point to start from for me and he didn't need to do anything spectacular from that foundation to end up President again. On the other hand, Farage seems to be still around the 30 per cent mark at best and, even with today's far more volatile electorate and our voting system it's hard to see him becoming Prime Minister of a Reform Government unless it was in coalition with the Tories after they'd finished ahead of them in an election.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Farage and Reform launched their manifesto for the last election from the old Gurnos club in Merthyr Bob.
In truth it wasn't well attended but someone has pointed out correctly the demographics may suit the Reform party.
I think local journalists quizzed Farage on the chosen location and venue and the large amounts of European funding it had once received via the EU and the benefits of Brexit to the area, where he promptly responded that it was the Tories fault.
Farage is just a paid agitator soon to be puppet isn't he?
Of course he is on the payroll, just like YL
There is some footage going around of him and Free Gear laughing and joking in Parliament like the best of pals.
All a stage
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
Reform essentially level with Plaid and Labour in the last poll, Tories just behind so essentially a four horse race, although it's only one poll and a long way to go until the 2026 election etc etc etc.
I don't think any party has a particular monopoly on what it offers to anyone or any community and that's certainly the case for the valleys which despite being talked about homogeneously is obviously still a fairly diverse place full of different communities and people.
So Reform definitely don't offer all the answers at all. But I would ask who does? We know what 25 years of Labour in the senedd has done, and we know what the Tories and Labour in Westminster has done. Good and bad in all respects but certainly not a transformation.
We don't really know what Reform or Plaid would do and I can perfectly well understand why people would be curious