Cardiff Rugby

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Not comparable in the slightest.

Go off the average attendances, not cherry pick when they had a good weekend of attendances over the festive season, and taken into account the size of the city's its not even close.

Also, as you keep avoiding the point, I will repeat it again - Half of Cardiff City FCs support is not even from the City so make sure you divide Cardiff City FCs average attendance in half when you perform another round of mental gymnastics to try and support your opinion.

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Cardiff Rugby's average crowds since Covid as follows:

24/25: 8,456
23/24: 9,243
22/23: 7,267
21/22: 7,819

I think a different league, more success, more consistent kick off times and even better prices (can be nearly £30 for a match day ticket on the open north terrace if purchased on the day) would see higher crowds though. I don't think Cardiff is a particularly rugby-mad city but I think we are more so than the crowd figures suggest.

Welsh clubs are now seriously behind rivals in Ireland, France, England, Japan, NZ, SA and Aus. Scotland and Italy have caught up. Even some American teams get crowds better than the Ospreys and Dragons

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Cardiff Rugby's average crowds since Covid as follows:

24/25: 8,456
23/24: 9,243
22/23: 7,267
21/22: 7,819

I think a different league, more success, more consistent kick off times and even better prices (can be nearly £30 for a match day ticket on the open north terrace if purchased on the day) would see higher crowds though. I don't think Cardiff is s particularly rugby-mad city but I think we are more so than the crowd figures suggest.

Welsh clubs are now seriously behind rivals in Ireland, France, England, Japan, NZ, SA and Aus. Even some American teams get crowds better than the Ospreys and Dragons

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They also play less than half the amount of home games that football do. Shit crowds for a supposedly rugby mad country that has only 3 teams you can support in top flight rugby.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

They also play less than half the amount of home games that football do. Shit crowds for a supposedly rugby mad country that has only 3 teams you can support in top flight rugby.

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Yeah that's true. In terms of total attendance over the course of a season, the difference between City and Cardiff Rugby is even starker.

There are four teams in the 'top flight' mind..Cardiff, Ospreys, Dragons and Scarlets.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

They also play less than half the amount of home games that football do. Shit crowds for a supposedly rugby mad country that has only 3 teams you can support in top flight rugby.

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They also benefit from a prime location with Arms Park

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Originally Posted by City123

They also benefit from a prime location with Arms Park

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They hated the 50 mile hike to the CCS when they relocated there:hehe:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

None of those are major cities and half of Cardiff City FCs support isn’t even from Cardiff!

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We’ve always had to rely on the hill Billy’s from the sticks. Nothing new there.
Mind you, I’ve always been glad to have been born in the Capital. Last time I drove through Merthyr, it looked like they were auditioning for a remake of The Hills Have Eyes.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Not comparable in the slightest.

Go off the average attendances, not cherry pick when they had a good weekend of attendances over the festive season, and taken into account the size of the city's its not even close.

Also, as you keep avoiding the point, I will repeat it again - Half of Cardiff City FCs support is not even from the City so make sure you divide Cardiff City FCs average attendance in half when you perform another round of mental gymnastics to try and support your opinion.

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I’m “cherrypicking” games based on when both teams are at home at the same time so there’s no question about people attending both sports. Something you no doubt would’ve mentioned.

It’s rare it happens, but for both instances it has happened this season, over 30,000 individual people have attended a sports event in Cardiff at the same time.

Does every single Sunderland fan walk to the ground for their games? Not a single person travels from Blyth, Durham, Whitley, Seaham or any of the other number of towns in the area? It won’t be half, but it’s more likely to be in the thousands rather than hundreds.

Maybe Sunderland is a better supported Sport city, but Cardiff is certainly a better supported Sports city. You should be careful how you word things, some people are pedantic :hehe:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-un...s/cx2ww03epd1o

The Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) has taken control of Cardiff Rugby after the club's legal entity was placed temporarily into administration by its directors.

The development was expected after Wales' capital city side had served a notice of intent (NOI) to appoint an administrator for Cardiff Rugby Limited.

That decision was made once it became clear the club's owner, Helford Capital, who secured an 84.5% majority stake in January 2024, was unable to meet its obligations to fund the club as it was contractually obliged to do.

Immediately following the appointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), the administrator sold the club's business and assets to the WRU.

The WRU say Cardiff players and staff will be unaffected by the sale and fixtures will be fulfilled, with season and match tickets remaining valid.

Sobering thought for Cardiff rugby fans that an organisation that’s overseen 17 straight defeats by the main team in their charge now running their club.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Cardiff is arguably the worst sports supporting major city in the UK by the citys own inhabitants.

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Very true, what you reckon about 1 to 2% follow ccfc? If you consider penarth at least as part of the city it’s got to be pushing 400,000 then there’s Barry, Caerphilly with a field or two in between and the forgotten town of Newport. 700,000 people and barely any go? It’s weird.

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

Cardiff Rugby is the team that was previously called Cardiff Blues.

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When Did they change name? News to me…..but I don’t ever see or hear any thing rugby to be honest

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

By what metric? Over the past few years we’ve got a football team that’s averaged 15k-20k, a rugby team averaging ~8k and an Ice Hockey team averaging 3k.

I’d guess that’s better ratios per population than the likes of Reading, Milton Keynes, Norwich, Bournemouth, Peterborough and probably several other cities depending on your definition of “major”.

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Yeah that’s shite, how many of the 18000 come from Cardiff itself for the football? The rugby don’t get 8k and most of the devils support is from outside too

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

We’ve always had to rely on the hill Billy’s from the sticks. Nothing new there.
Mind you, I’ve always been glad to have been born in the Capital. Last time I drove through Merthyr, it looked like they were auditioning for a remake of The Hills Have Eyes.

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Did it move location from Swansea then?

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Originally Posted by goats

Did it move location from Swansea then?

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Hes confused bless him. He was looking at himself in the rear view mirror.

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Originally Posted by goats

Yeah that’s shite, how many of the 18000 come from Cardiff itself for the football? The rugby don’t get 8k and most of the devils support is from outside too

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Don’t start him off again ffs. :hehe:

20+8+3 equates to more than 40 if you listen to him.

The club game in wales needs a complete rethink - every rugby fan I know has said the same for years

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Don’t start him off again ffs. :hehe:

20+8+3 equates to more than 40 if you listen to him.

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If you actually listen to me, what I said was 31/32k is pretty comparable to 35k. You should pay attention or you’ll make silly mistakes.

I happen to be one of the people on this forum who doesn’t think Cardiff is the absolute worst at everything ever, be it the local council, the music scene, the sports, the blah blah blah, etc like plenty seem to enjoy believing. It’s quite nice to enjoy the place you live, try it sometime.

The best supported rugby teams in England average about 15k-20k so Cardiff getting 8k is actually a pretty respectable turnout and is better than lots of other cities. We’ve got a popular and successful Ice Hockey team, who also happen to be the 4th highest attended team in the country. Not bad for “the worst sports supporting major city in the UK”

And we’ve got a mediocre football going crowd who can turn up in large numbers if the occasion calls for it. We still hold the record for the highest attended game at the new Wembley nearly 20 years later. We’ve sold out our Wembley allocation 4 times, something many Championship clubs (and some Premier League clubs) struggle to do.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

If you actually listen to me, what I said was 31/32k is pretty comparable to 35k. You should pay attention or you’ll make silly mistakes.

I happen to be one of the people on this forum who doesn’t think Cardiff is the absolute worst at everything ever, be it the local council, the music scene, the sports, the blah blah blah, etc like plenty seem to enjoy believing. It’s quite nice to enjoy the place you live, try it sometime.

The best supported rugby teams in England average about 15k-20k so Cardiff getting 8k is actually a pretty respectable turnout and is better than lots of other cities. We’ve got a popular and successful Ice Hockey team, who also happen to be the 4th highest attended team in the country. Not bad for “the worst sports supporting major city in the UK”

And we’ve got a mediocre football going crowd who can turn up in large numbers if the occasion calls for it. We still hold the record for the highest attended game at the new Wembley nearly 20 years later. We’ve sold out our Wembley allocation 4 times, something many Championship clubs (and some Premier League clubs) struggle to do.

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Bore off Kevin.

Even by exaggerating the average attendance of each of the. Cardiff sports teams and taking 5000 off Sunderland FCs average you still can’t get Cardiff to have more supporters than Sunderland.

And still avoiding the fact that half of CCFC support come from outside the City. Sunderland has nowhere near 50% outside of the City.

Or that Cardiff rugby and ice hockey don’t play anywhere near as many games as Sunderland play football.

But you keep telling yourself that the people of Cardiff get behind their sports teams in their masses and it’s comparable with the people of Sunderland getting behind their team.

Bore off.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Hes confused bless him. He was looking at himself in the rear view mirror.

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Small lad in Merthyr asks his Mum “Where’s Granny ?” His Mum, not wanting to tell him she’s passed away and upset him, replies “your Granny has gone to a better place”
Little kid says “Fu*k me. That could be anywhere!!!”

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Bore off Kevin.

Even by exaggerating the average attendance of each of the. Cardiff sports teams and taking 5000 off Sunderland FCs average you still can’t get Cardiff to have more supporters than Sunderland.

And still avoiding the fact that half of CCFC support come from outside the City. Sunderland has nowhere near 50% outside of the City.

Or that Cardiff rugby and ice hockey don’t play anywhere near as many games as Sunderland play football.

But you keep telling yourself that the people of Cardiff get behind their sports teams in their masses and it’s comparable with the people of Sunderland getting behind their team.

Bore off.

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I’ve never claimed Cardiff had more supporters than Sunderland.

I’ve not exaggerated anything, I explained with pretty sensible reasoning why I chose the only 2 games Cardiff City and Cardiff Rugby have played on the same day.

You keep saying 50% of Cardiff’s fans come from outside Cardiff for all the sports teams with nothing to back that up.

Why does number of games matter? Sunderland having 800,000 fans in attendance over the course of the season doesn’t mean there’s 800,000 people in Sunderland supporting their team. If Cardiff City only played 10 games a season we wouldn’t suddenly get crowds of 40,000.

You think we’re the worst sports supporting city in the country. Plenty of people consider Sunderland one of the best set of fans in English football. When it comes to sports, Cardiff isn’t too far behind Sunderland. A matter of a few thousand depending on the year in fact. This year, the 3 Cardiff clubs 31k, Sunderland 38k. When Sunderland were in our position a few seasons ago and got relegated they averaged 27k. Last season Sunderland had 2k less and Cardiff City had 2k more.

The 3 best supported rugby teams in England last year:
Leicester - 21k
Bristol - 19k
Saracens - 15k

Cardiff at 8k in a worse league ain’t too shabby.

In Ice Hockey, Cardiff beats out Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle and Coventry as the 4th best supported team in the UK. Again, not too shabby.

Saying the people of Cardiff aren’t interested in sports is wrong. They’re just not all interested in the same sport.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

I’m “cherrypicking” games based on when both teams are at home at the same time so there’s no question about people attending both sports. Something you no doubt would’ve mentioned.

It’s rare it happens, but for both instances it has happened this season, over 30,000 individual people have attended a sports event in Cardiff at the same time.

Does every single Sunderland fan walk to the ground for their games? Not a single person travels from Blyth, Durham, Whitley, Seaham or any of the other number of towns in the area? It won’t be half, but it’s more likely to be in the thousands rather than hundreds.

Maybe Sunderland is a better supported Sport city, but Cardiff is certainly a better supported Sports city. You should be careful how you word things, some people are pedantic :hehe:

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Sunderland isn’t very big and has Newcastle one way and boro the other…we got no rivals for miles and miles….how can 2% of the population following its football club be called good? Your mad, end of.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

I’ve never claimed Cardiff had more supporters than Sunderland.

I’ve not exaggerated anything, I explained with pretty sensible reasoning why I chose the only 2 games Cardiff City and Cardiff Rugby have played on the same day.

You keep saying 50% of Cardiff’s fans come from outside Cardiff for all the sports teams with nothing to back that up.

Why does number of games matter? Sunderland having 800,000 fans in attendance over the course of the season doesn’t mean there’s 800,000 people in Sunderland supporting their team. If Cardiff City only played 10 games a season we wouldn’t suddenly get crowds of 40,000.

You think we’re the worst sports supporting city in the country. Plenty of people consider Sunderland one of the best set of fans in English football. When it comes to sports, Cardiff isn’t too far behind Sunderland. A matter of a few thousand depending on the year in fact. This year, the 3 Cardiff clubs 31k, Sunderland 38k. When Sunderland were in our position a few seasons ago and got relegated they averaged 27k. Last season Sunderland had 2k less and Cardiff City had 2k more.

The 3 best supported rugby teams in England last year:
Leicester - 21k
Bristol - 19k
Saracens - 15k

Cardiff at 8k in a worse league ain’t too shabby.

In Ice Hockey, Cardiff beats out Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle and Coventry as the 4th best supported team in the UK. Again, not too shabby.

Saying the people of Cardiff aren’t interested in sports is wrong. They’re just not all interested in the same sport.

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Half that 8k at the rugby is kids for a quid isn’t it….

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Originally Posted by goats

Sunderland isn’t very big and has Newcastle one way and boro the other…we got no rivals for miles and miles….how can 2% of the population following its football club be called good? Your mad, end of.

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Hes on a wind-up. Or hes that DML fella re-incarnated. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Hes on a wind-up. Or hes that DML fella re-incarnated. :hehe:

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What a life…living the dream eh

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

I’m “cherrypicking” games based on when both teams are at home at the same time so there’s no question about people attending both sports. Something you no doubt would’ve mentioned.

It’s rare it happens, but for both instances it has happened this season, over 30,000 individual people have attended a sports event in Cardiff at the same time.

Does every single Sunderland fan walk to the ground for their games? Not a single person travels from Blyth, Durham, Whitley, Seaham or any of the other number of towns in the area? It won’t be half, but it’s more likely to be in the thousands rather than hundreds.

Maybe Sunderland is a better supported Sport city, but Cardiff is certainly a better supported Sports city. You should be careful how you word things, some people are pedantic :hehe:

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You left out a full stop by there, after pedantic look.

More people watch and play football in Wales but the BBC want to ram the egg down our throats. Today, women's rugby was better represented than the football teams and supporters of Cardiff, Newport, Swansea & Wrexham were.

Never mind what the licence payers want, we'll decide what we're going to cover.

It looks like we're safe, and I hope we play you lot and Wrexham in the Championship 25/26, win draw or the other one. 🙄